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Here is a list of natural and easy to find MAOIs.
    #20957759 - 12/10/14 03:00 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Most of these are in the herb/ spice section of any food store. I take ginger (homemade cookies)and a few others two hours before my shrooms. It seems to help. I can't quantify anything, but it does seem to give my trip a slight boost vs mushrooms by themselves.

http://www.botanical-online.com/english/vegetalmaois.htm

I know Syrian Rue is most mentioned on this site, but these are easier to find. Does it work for you?

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Re: Here is a list of natural and easy to find MAOIs. [Re: Lhouse]
    #20957871 - 12/10/14 03:24 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

From my understanding, the MAOI foods/spices in stores are nowhere near powerful enough to fully inhibit mao and activate DMT. We use caapi/rue for a reason - there is a very high beta-carboline content which delivers a powerful (and short acting) effect. It might take 100 or more doses of foods/spices to deliver the same effect which would be infeasible, unpleasant, or dangerous. That is just my understanding though. Can someone else confirm?


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Re: Here is a list of natural and easy to find MAOIs. [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #20958409 - 12/10/14 04:57 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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From my understanding, the MAOI foods/spices in stores are nowhere near powerful enough to fully inhibit mao and activate DMT. We use caapi/rue for a reason - there is a very high beta-carboline content which delivers a powerful (and short acting) effect. It might take 100 or more doses of foods/spices to deliver the same effect which would be infeasible, unpleasant, or dangerous. That is just my understanding though. Can someone else confirm?




The same criticism was made on Bluelight, with more info provided: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/660439-Mixing-MAOI-with-cacao?p=11923746&viewfull=1#post11923746

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Re: Here is a list of natural and easy to find MAOIs. [Re: s240779]
    #20958478 - 12/10/14 05:14 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

This brings up another thing I'm wondering: Why am I told to avoid certain foods just because they are MAOIs? The caapi is already extremely powerful compared to the foods and I kind of just arbitrarily decide how much to use - it could be anywhere from 100g to 200g. So if I'm using 100g of caapi, why would I care about some trace amount of MAOI in a food that would have such a negligible impact in proportion to my total dose of MAOIs? If I had just arbitrarily decided to use 105g of caapi instead of 100g, that would be more added MAOI than what's being added by the foods and I wouldn't be worried at all.


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Re: Here is a list of natural and easy to find MAOIs. [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #20958593 - 12/10/14 05:37 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

The foods you have to avoid contain tyramine not MAOI's. Tyramine is destroyed by the MAO enzyme. If you inhibit the MAO enzyme with a strong MAOI, tyramine rich foods can cause a hypertensive crysis.

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Re: Here is a list of natural and easy to find MAOIs. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #20958601 - 12/10/14 05:39 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I know about the tyramines but many dietas mention maoi foods also.


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Re: Here is a list of natural and easy to find MAOIs. [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
    #20958658 - 12/10/14 05:51 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Ah ok, I never saw that mentioned before :shrug:
If it is I wouldn't have a rationale for it either.

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Re: Here is a list of natural and easy to find MAOIs. [Re: GoldenEye]
    #20959133 - 12/10/14 07:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

No, there's two classifications for MAO inhibitors, reversible and irreversible (the terms do not mean permanent and non-permanent). Only the irreversible MAOIs have diet restrictions. Harmine and harmaline (found in rue) are reversible. However if a tyramine-rich food is consumed when one is on a reversible MAOI, the effect of the MAOI will be reversed (I think)! MAO-B-only inhibitors do not possess diet restrictions either, because Tyramine is involved with only MAO-A.

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Re: Here is a list of natural and easy to find MAOIs. [Re: s240779]
    #20960187 - 12/10/14 11:56 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

So can these foods affect trip or is the dose too small?

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