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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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    #20948924 - 12/08/14 06:50 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

People are very confused on this.  It is true that not everyone is equal.  There is an inherent hierarchy among human societies -- some are smarter than others, some better looking, etc.  However, this does not, as is so often tacitly and incorrectly assumed, mean that any one person has any more right to live an unfettered life than any other.  No one chose to be born, and it was the luck of the draw regarding what we were born into.  Through no fault of anyone's, here we all are.  Everyone should have an equal right to the resources and securities needed to live; we should value life at least that much.  The confusion on this subject arises because people are thinking in an Aristotelian "either-or" framework.  In reality, the ideal human society is composed of both hierarchical and egalitarian elements, together. 

Admittedly, there are a lot of "should be"s in this perhaps a bit over-idealistic post.  However, the fact remains that if people actually wanted this, actually thought this way, then it would be this way.  It's like John Lennon said:  "If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace."


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Re: egalitarian hierarchy [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #20948974 - 12/08/14 07:00 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Televisions are easier to get than peace.


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Re: egalitarian hierarchy [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #20949384 - 12/08/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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No one chose to be born, and it was the luck of the draw regarding what we were born into




I have covered this in-depth too many times now. There was no luck involved. Neither was there an a priori 'you' waiting and hoping to be cast into a promising socio-economic situation or spinning the roulette wheel with the prize being a more perfect/beautiful body.

The whole concept makes no sense. "You" is an after-the-fact abstraction.


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Re: egalitarian hierarchy [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #20949427 - 12/08/14 08:24 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I suppose, but I think there are a lot of rich people out there who, looking back, feel like they had something to do with it from the beginning.  That things "naturally" went the way they did, because obviously to be rich is to be superior.  (Supposedly).

I think it just kinda depends on how one wants to look at it.  One fetus led to Andrew Carnegie, and one fetus led to his gardener.  My point is that neither fetus should be more entitled to a right to life than the other.  Of course, then they're born and all hell breaks loose, as we all know.


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Re: egalitarian hierarchy [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #20950669 - 12/09/14 02:05 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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the fact remains that if people actually wanted this, actually thought this way, then it would be this way.




But they don't, or rather as you said it's a mix of hierarchical and egalitarian elements.


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