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OfflineAlyssa
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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #20939581 - 12/06/14 07:44 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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BlindSophist said:
Let's just assume you're right, that all women who enjoy penetration do so out of masochism. I don't agree with this, but I'm trying to get a better handle on your beliefs.

Do you think that masochists are incapable of giving consent to acts that bring them pleasure? Do you think that masochism is always self-destructive? Do you deny that masochistic pleasure can be had safely and respectfully?



It is always self-destructive, I don't relativize issues of scientifically demonstrated fact. However it's the symptom, not the problem as a whole. As I said earlier, I created this thread to educate and understand what people think. If people ignore what I've said then it's an issue of cognitive dissonance or conscious self-harm rather than ignorance, which is what I'm trying to combat by presenting factual information.


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I don't want her to have to look at adultery to save my privileged living cells, so please keep it PG-13.

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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Alyssa]
    #20939593 - 12/06/14 07:47 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Dark_Star said:
Yes I am.



I was referring to Alyssa being the troll. He/she is being too obvious.


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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Alyssa]
    #20939598 - 12/06/14 07:49 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Do you believe that if no woman ever even saw a man, there wouldn't be a single woman that would slip a finger in there?

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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Alyssa] * 1
    #20939621 - 12/06/14 07:57 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

No, you're not encouraging the expression of anything besides your ignorant & misguided views on penetration....which you've never even experienced. Then you go & rebuff every woman that's actually experienced penetration, and said that they've enjoyed it. That's the height of ignorance, and classic trolling. You also claim to be a lesbian. Dumbass clowns in public office are waging a war against the rights of LGBT individuals because they don't agree with those consensual acts. I would think that being on the receiving end of this type of discrimination would engender an open mind, yet you make this thread claiming to be the ultimate authority on what sexual acts are consensual or not, based on your opinion.....an opinion that isn't even backed up by your own personal experience. In other words; you're doing the same exact thing those clowns  trying to ban gay marriage are. You cannot dictate someone else's feelings. You cannot tell someone else what they do & do not enjoy. You cannot tell someone else what they can & cannot consent to. If you don't want to get fucked, than don't. That's your right. However you have no right at all to make that decision for anyone other than yourself. You're way out of bounds here.
:failboat: This is a troll thread.


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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #20939631 - 12/06/14 07:58 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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GoldenEye said:
Do you believe that if no woman ever even saw a man, there wouldn't be a single woman that would slip a finger in there?



You mean if everyone in a group of females had been separated at birth from everyone outside the group?


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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #20939671 - 12/06/14 08:11 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Dark_Star said:
No, you're not encouraging the expression of anything besides your ignorant & misguided views on penetration....which you've never even experienced. Then you go & rebuff every woman that's actually experienced penetration, and said that they've enjoyed it. That's the height of ignorance, and classic trolling. You also claim to be a lesbian. Dumbass clowns in public office are waging a war against the rights of LGBT individuals because they don't agree with those consensual acts. I would think that being on the receiving end of this type of discrimination would engender an open mind, yet you make this thread claiming to be the ultimate authority on what sexual acts are consensual or not, based on your opinion.....an opinion that isn't even backed up by your own personal experience. In other words; you're doing the same exact thing those clowns  trying to ban gay marriage are. You cannot dictate someone else's feelings. You cannot tell someone else what they do & do not enjoy. You cannot tell someone else what they can & cannot consent to. If you don't want to get fucked, than don't. That's your right. However you have no right at all to make that decision for anyone other than yourself. You're way out of bounds here.
:failboat: This is a troll thread.



You're not showing very much reading comprehension. The title asks why it is ever consensual, rather than claiming that it never is. I'm addressing the problem that this consent is generally based on ignorance by refuting arguments which are illogical or contradict the facts. That's not the same thing as not encouraging the expression of opinions because this isn't a matter of opinion.


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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Alyssa]
    #20939685 - 12/06/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It's consenual because people consent to it, and enjoy it. As was stated multiple times. You refuse to accept this. The consent is also not based on ignorance, and you have no facts. Posting links doesn't mean a damn thing. People enjoy what they enjoy. Period. You also have no experience with the matter at hand, and are talking out of your ass.


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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Alyssa]
    #20939722 - 12/06/14 08:22 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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GoldenEye said:
Do you believe that if no woman ever even saw a man, there wouldn't be a single woman that would slip a finger in there?



You mean if everyone in a group of females had been separated at birth from everyone outside the group?




Yes that's exactly what I meant.

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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #20939742 - 12/06/14 08:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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The consent is also not based on ignorance, and you have no facts. Posting links doesn't mean a damn thing.



It's based on ignorance of the facts presented in the links. Unfortunately I have to disagree with Terence on another fundamental issue, I believe in science. I think the psychedelic experience can be scientifically explained (obviously not with the information already obtained, since academia doesn't understand its importance), and he didn't. He would address the information I've presented rationally, though. I consider it highly unlikely that he would be in dogmatic opposition to it, I think he just never thought about sex enough to realize it.

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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: GoldenEye]
    #20939797 - 12/06/14 08:41 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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GoldenEye said:
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Alyssa said:
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GoldenEye said:
Do you believe that if no woman ever even saw a man, there wouldn't be a single woman that would slip a finger in there?



You mean if everyone in a group of females had been separated at birth from everyone outside the group?




Yes that's exactly what I meant.



If they had no contact with the world I don't believe there would be, just like none of them would experiment with cutting their arms. These are things people do because of the emotional trauma that the world inflicts.


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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Alyssa]
    #20939829 - 12/06/14 08:51 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Alyssa said:
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Euphie said:
It is not painful outside of a medical disorder or dryness.



As far as I'm aware it always is until the vagina is sufficiently dilated by many repetitions or by giving birth.






Then dilate your vagina. Again, virgin sex can be painful for some woman. There is a reason most carry through with it though.

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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Alyssa] * 2
    #20939897 - 12/06/14 09:19 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Alyssa get help. You're Fucking insane. The insane don't know they're insane. I promise, you have weird fucked up beliefs that can't be rationalized by anyone else. Everyone has them, but these are pretty big delusions. I wish you a happy life. All men aren't trying to rape you. All women aren't slaves. We aren't all trying to trick you.

I'm sorry if you were taken advantage of as a kid. Shit sucks. Just don't let it control you. I'm not trying to be funny either.


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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #20939913 - 12/06/14 09:25 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Distorted Vision said:


I'm sorry if you were taken advantage of as a kid.




Did she say that? Because that too is known to make sex painful. My fiance was raped and has a hard time relaxing sometimes. When she can't relax, vag muscles get tense, and sex hurts. But that's a bodies defense mechanism against engaging activities which previously caused you a serious deal of emotional pain, not exactly a normal healthy minded persons response to sex

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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #20940051 - 12/06/14 10:18 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Distorted Vision said:


I'm sorry if you were taken advantage of as a kid.




Did she say that? Because that too is known to make sex painful. My fiance was raped and has a hard time relaxing sometimes. When she can't relax, vag muscles get tense, and sex hurts. But that's a bodies defense mechanism against engaging activities which previously caused you a serious deal of emotional pain, not exactly a normal healthy minded persons response to sex




She has not said that, but I am pretty sure it's true. Everything is pointing towards it, and if it's true I figured I may be able to help her by letting her help herself. I'm guessing she has more radical feminist views too.

I feel that if you call someone out on a personal issue like that it helps them more because they can't argue or lie their way out of discussing it. I feel that everytime I assume like this there is a lot to gain and little to lose. I've helped a lot of people in real life with fucked up problems because I make people feel comfortable and try and suck out the truth.

A lot of people have deep secrets that they protect from everyone including themselves. It makes them feel good that these secrets aren't that bad and that they're not alone. :smile:


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"Yo yo just here to spread my clit and show ya'll what a wonderful and free being we are all inside lets take the acid and turn inside into the outside come on over baby lets smell the roses ohh ohh come on we're about to get lit show my undies to your baby I'll hug it down three times go around frown come on we aint a nice clown kiss me upside down down down come on sorry if you cant handle my wokeness come on lets take her panties off write shroomery on my asshole and taste it lick it make if feel like we was 1978 come on baby lets do the locamotion"-Twig dude

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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #20940096 - 12/06/14 10:35 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Ah, i see. Well be careful, that can be a very touchy subject. I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that's the case, but if for some reason it is (only saying this because it's not uncommon) i hope OP feels comfortable enough to talk about it here. That stuff can really skew peoples views of sex that isn't fair to the victim

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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #20940144 - 12/06/14 10:50 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I've also made myself look like the biggest Fucking dick doing this. I think it's a good sacrifice to make. I don't even expect her to admit the truth on this thread. I just hope that if it's true she can maybe look at how that is possibly hurting her. <3


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"Yo yo just here to spread my clit and show ya'll what a wonderful and free being we are all inside lets take the acid and turn inside into the outside come on over baby lets smell the roses ohh ohh come on we're about to get lit show my undies to your baby I'll hug it down three times go around frown come on we aint a nice clown kiss me upside down down down come on sorry if you cant handle my wokeness come on lets take her panties off write shroomery on my asshole and taste it lick it make if feel like we was 1978 come on baby lets do the locamotion"-Twig dude

Edited by Distorted Vision (12/06/14 10:51 PM)

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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: Alyssa]
    #20940188 - 12/06/14 11:02 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

G-spot, hon. It's awesome. Apparently you can reach the g-spot via anal sex, I don't know, I could take or leave the buttsex thing.

We are animals, human sexuality isn't all social conditioning. Dolphins have recreational sex, too, it's not exclusive to humans.


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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #20940192 - 12/06/14 11:05 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, it's probably best if we don't make assumptions about her life or make diagnoses we're not qualified to make. At first I thought she was trolling, because EVERYONE IN THE SHROOMERY. But I went ahead and took it at face value.


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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: BittrBuffalo] * 1
    #20940300 - 12/06/14 11:35 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Making assumptions is what psychiatrists do. They poke and prod deeper to what they think the problem may be. I am just not in the position for her to want to tell me deep things about her life. So I am forcing her to look at it herself. I'm not assuming and accusing to make someone look bad. I just truly think she has an unhealthy view of men and want to help her.


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"Yo yo just here to spread my clit and show ya'll what a wonderful and free being we are all inside lets take the acid and turn inside into the outside come on over baby lets smell the roses ohh ohh come on we're about to get lit show my undies to your baby I'll hug it down three times go around frown come on we aint a nice clown kiss me upside down down down come on sorry if you cant handle my wokeness come on lets take her panties off write shroomery on my asshole and taste it lick it make if feel like we was 1978 come on baby lets do the locamotion"-Twig dude

Edited by Distorted Vision (12/06/14 11:36 PM)

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Re: Why is non-procreative vaginal or anal sex ever consensual? [Re: BittrBuffalo] * 2
    #20940365 - 12/06/14 11:56 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I can feel the radical feminism of Alyssa leaking through the pixels on my screen. It really breaks my heart to see young women socially damaged by the hate-speech and selfish lessons radical feminists preach. I've had the horror of meeting such characters in real life, they live with a burning hatred inside themselves.

Radical feminists are seriously akin to the KKK.

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