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OfflinephEight
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Debate broke out in class today...
    #2092877 - 11/11/03 04:17 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

It was mostly about the death penalty and abortion. However, what I wanted to say was that there was this one girl who kept saying over and over that people that have killed, raped, etc. another should remain in prison so "they can turn their face to God." She was very narrowminded and wouldn't accept any other comment. I found it kind of odd that earlier on she was saying, "How can someone not believe in God?". I'm sitting there thinking how can someone say something like that?

Don't get me wrong, she's a very cool person to be around, but is it proper to bring God and/or religion into justice?

Any comments? I'm just interested in what you guys have to say about this...


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Edited by phEight (11/11/03 04:25 PM)


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: phEight]
    #2092888 - 11/11/03 04:19 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

Sure it is kill em all and let god sort them out.


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: phEight]
    #2092889 - 11/11/03 04:20 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

no it isn't okay to introduce a belief system into an arguement.

There was a girl like that in my ethics class that was always playing the god card. In a discussion about sex, she said that she doesn't have sex because she can pray with her boyfriend. She said during prayers she often thinks, "How could this get any better? Why would I need sex."

There's just no talking to these people so don't try


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2092926 - 11/11/03 04:33 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

What in the hell does having sex and praying have to do with each otheR?


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: phEight]
    #2092938 - 11/11/03 04:37 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

I know what the BF was praying for.


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2092999 - 11/11/03 05:00 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

Heheh, why can't she both pray and have sex? I'm sure she doesn't pray 24 hours a day, 7 days a week... there's gotta be time for a little somethin' in the mix;)

That's one thing that really gets me, the idea that sex is wrong, that our bodies are evil and that indulging physical needs will cause us to burn in an abyss of fire for all eternity. Oh my.

And to stay on topic: religion should not play a role in justice. The purpose of jail is not and never should be to "turn someone to God." Perhaps if they find some form of spiritual guidance or comfort while in the slammer that could be a positive thing in thier personal lives, but it must never be the intention of the justice system to put people onto a religious path.


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #2093024 - 11/11/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

If she so strongly believes in God, then why doesn't she realize that she has nothing to worry about. She's not the one who will be judged for killing an unborn child. She should know full well that God will give them what they have coming to them in the end, am I correct?


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: Smaug]
    #2093344 - 11/11/03 06:28 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

damn, what kind of boyfriend doesn't have sex????


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: kaiowas]
    #2095019 - 11/12/03 02:06 AM (13 years, 29 days ago)

Here is something i dont understand, Many people say that everything that happens is gods will, but then they judge, or pity or question people who dont believe in god, or dont believe in god the same as they do, or whatever, and i dont get that, because by their logic, whatever these people believe, or do, or dont' believe or dont do, is gods will. I can say this because i haven't formed a definative opinion one way or the other, on the question of if everything is gods will or not. But honestly i lean towards the conclusion that both these people are doin exactly what they must do, and thus to judge any of them is not fair, but if i do judge them well, then i was supposed to, because i was faited to by god/the system, and thats ok because i think that this is all probably leading to some end or purpose of god's that is good even if on the idividual, or daily level we cannot see that.... whatever. But like i said, i'm just leaning that way, i dont believe that (yet) with absolute conviction, nor is it likely i'm supposed to (yet?)  :wink:
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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: kaiowas]
    #2095054 - 11/12/03 02:12 AM (13 years, 29 days ago)

damn, what kind of boyfriend doesn't have sex????

And now a rare glimpse at Sclorch's inner thought process:

No sex?... but she's his girlfriend... me no understand... no sex?... what the hell is that all about.... no sex yet still together?... no compute... no compute.... no compute...


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: Sclorch]
    #2095103 - 11/12/03 02:21 AM (13 years, 29 days ago)

Quote:

Sclorch said:
No sex?... but she's his girlfriend... me no understand... no sex?... what the hell is that all about.... no sex yet still together?... no compute... no compute.... no compute...



That's a sign of a mature relationship, commonly developing after marriage.


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: Evolving]
    #2095212 - 11/12/03 02:50 AM (13 years, 29 days ago)

Marriage... sure... that's almost a given.

But girlfriend and wife are not necessarily equivalent in the giving-their-significant-other-some-much-needed-ass department.


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: phEight]
    #2110166 - 11/15/03 11:06 PM (13 years, 25 days ago)

A closed mind is a simple mind.


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: shroomophile]
    #2110372 - 11/16/03 12:59 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

justice is relative


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Re: Debate broke out in class today... [Re: phEight]
    #2110393 - 11/16/03 01:15 AM (13 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

phEight said:
What in the hell does having sex and praying have to do with each otheR?




Sex IS praying for me.


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