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 Liverwort
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 Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC)  [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20882653 - 11/24/14 08:55 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a couple questions about SGFC's.
1) Can you use lava rocks instead of perlite?
2) Does a lot of water leak out the bottom?
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Liverwort]
#20882889 - 11/24/14 09:58 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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1) No. The stuff in the pic does not have the same pourous properties as perlite and does not evaporate the same.
2) A SGFC will not hold standing water, there are holes in the bottom. But, once the wet perlite is drained, it doesn't drip water.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Liverwort]
#20882890 - 11/24/14 09:59 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lava rocks won't raise the RH much and dry out relatively quickly. There's really no substitute for perlite, at least nothing that I'm aware of.
Normally no water will leak out the bottom, it adheres to the perlite.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Kizzle]
#20883551 - 11/24/14 01:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. no
2. no
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snoochy42
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
#20923012 - 12/03/14 02:44 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Could I automate a misting system using a high volume fogger or Ultra fine Garden Misters using a fountain pump to hydrate the perilite, more then likely causing full saturation, but then collect the run off out of the bottom of the sgfc and filter it back into the reservoir? Or has anyone done a similar setup for automated watering in an indoor environment?
Edit: also, what about using vermiculite instead of perilite?
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: snoochy42]
#20923051 - 12/03/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
snoochy42 said:
Could I automate a misting system using a high volume fogger or Ultra fine Garden Misters using a fountain pump to hydrate the perilite, more then likely causing full saturation, but then collect the run off out of the bottom of the sgfc and filter it back into the reservoir?
This is never a good idea.....if something goes wrong when you are not home, you could possibly flood the house....a bottle and a pump sprayer is what everyone uses....
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Edit: also, what about using vermiculite instead of perilite?
No...
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PussyFart]
#20923081 - 12/03/14 02:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I would have them one on top of the other stacked so they wouldn't leaK and flood by design, but even if they did, it'd only be a g all on or 2 of water. Reason for this innovation is sometimes I'm away from home for 1-3 months on business trips and itd certainly be dried up by the time I got back. My current system is comprised of 2 dehumidifiers in the house, tubed up to a fogger unit, so it has an infinite distilled water source as long as there is humidity in the air. However my current layout is in need of replacement/rework.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: snoochy42]
#20923189 - 12/03/14 03:18 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm away from home for 1-3 months on business trips and itd certainly be dried up by the time I got back.
Yes, and your fruiting mushrooms will be overly mature and rot away to nothing....you have to be there when it's time to harvest them or it's just a waste....
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Edited by PussyFart (12/03/14 03:22 PM)
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PussyFart]
#20923264 - 12/03/14 03:32 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PussyFart]
#20923285 - 12/03/14 03:36 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I could have someone check on them once or twice a week, but I don't want to have to pay a friend to go water them daily.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: snoochy42]
#20923433 - 12/03/14 04:03 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Many people have tried to automate the SGFC without success. Unless your friend knows what he's looking at and what to look for, then there's no point.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20923559 - 12/03/14 04:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eh, I could relocate one of my panning security cameras I suppose and tell them when to harvest, but my parents are easily trainable.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: snoochy42]
#20923569 - 12/03/14 04:24 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your parents are trainable...? That's kind of disrespectful lol
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snoochy42
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
#20923598 - 12/03/14 04:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol. Not at all. My parents love the fact that I dabble in almost everything in live and they want me to teach them about anything I learn, I'm writing a research manifest on medicinal herbs and fungus, thier assistance would go to a greater cause. My mother is already highly interested, they are the doomsday prepper type, so if it's edible, they want to learn.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: snoochy42]
#20923602 - 12/03/14 04:31 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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also the SGFC is already automated.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
#20923624 - 12/03/14 04:35 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
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also the SGFC is already automated.
But not fully automated, it doesn't self water or self harvest.... yet. Lol
Edit: actually that's not even really automated. All it is in a slow release humidity and low velocity fae slow release mechanism.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: snoochy42]
#20924002 - 12/03/14 05:50 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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A really handy thing to have is an enormous plastic tub, big enough to fit your terrarium inside. After a while, two things will start to happen...your perlite will dry out, and it will compact. You can, as suggested above, pour water over it. Even better, you can pressurize the water (sprayer nozzle on hose, or thumb over hose) which will help to fluff it up as well as rehydrate it. However, my preferred method is to put the whole thing into a larger tub, and fill it with water until the perlite starts to float a bit. Presto! Fully rehydrated, and fluffed up! Also, if you have house guests who will be getting a tour of your entire place, you can put your terrarium inside the giant (opaque) tub and put the lid on it. Obviously this will prevent fresh air exchange, but you can do it for a few hours without really hurting anything.
You can tell your perlite is drying out by feeling it with your hand. It will feel dry. You can try to mist it, I suppose, but you risk hand cramps.
As for bulk substrates...elevate them off the surface of the perlite. There is an item you can find at a lot of dollar stores. It's like a tray with 2 inch sides, but perforated with square holes. Like a plastic screen with walls. Turn them upside down and put the bulk substrates on top of them. This allows air flow through the perlite to proceed largely unimpeded. There are a number of other possible solutions along the same line. Hardware cloth...stilts...hopefully you get the idea.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PocketRevolution]
#20924265 - 12/03/14 06:41 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a question about the sgfc method in regards to this video
Im sure you have all seen this video as it is probably the noobs (like me) go to video for pf/brf.
In the video, he does not birth the cakes by dunk and roll. Why is this? Do I understand correctly that the dunk and roll method will yield more fruit?
He also seems deathly afraid of any water coming into direct contact with the cakes. Yet most other instruction, like yours, say to directly mist the cakes. I understand this not only has to do with possible water contaminants, but also risk of drowning the mycelium. Is it best just to soak the perlite (and re-soak) or is misting the cakes necessary? Also, should distilled water be used?
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: 46N2]
#20924554 - 12/03/14 07:38 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't listen to that garbage. http://www.mushroomvideos.com
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
#20924761 - 12/03/14 08:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yet most other instruction, like yours, say to directly mist the cakes. I understand this not only has to do with possible water contaminants, but also risk of drowning the mycelium.
Nah. It has to do with myths that your pins will abort if you mist them directly.
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