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Violet



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The tek I'm referring to in your troll-targeted post Bod is actually on topic, where your discussion of my tek and the claim that PF tek beats it "any day" is not. There are lots of reasons screw-top no-pour agar is genuinely superior. Use of agar, grow out area, simplicity, multi-use of materials, and fewer materials - particularly garbage materials like paper towels and foil. Not to mention it doesn't involve maiming the containers and pigeon-holing them to cultivation... a single weak use at that. I spoke above about the one advantage mini-rounds have. This isn't about a fruiting method. It's possible for something to be clearly superior when it comes to things like THIS. Comparing an Oldsmobile and a Bugatti isn't exactly apples-and-oranges.
-------------------- Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it! PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers The simplest, quickest, safest tek! For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers! • Violet's Teks and Posts •
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Violet



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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#20912111 - 12/01/14 12:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Where I live the price difference is much greater. It costs me about $1.60 for 1 screw top, about $0.40 for 1 mini round or around $0.60 for a pop top Ziplocs.
Damn. $2.60-ish for 3 screw top pints at Target.
-------------------- Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it! PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers The simplest, quickest, safest tek! For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers! • Violet's Teks and Posts •
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synista


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Violet]
#20912115 - 12/01/14 12:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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uh-oh
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Violet]
#20912165 - 12/01/14 12:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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 people will figure it out for themselves.
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MudaFuka
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Registered: 12/14/13
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Loc: Canada
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Violet]
#20912170 - 12/01/14 12:31 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: to be honest I personally like neither anyway. screw tops or pop tops. try jars and disposable polystyrene dishes. pour agar FTW
I like disposable petris too but the shipping costs to Canada on petris fucking kills me. I use no pour for all my cloning and spore germination and save the petris for later transfers when visibility is more important.
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Violet said: There are lots of reasons screw-top no-pour agar is genuinely superior. Use of agar, grow out area, simplicity, multi-use of materials, and fewer materials - particularly garbage materials like paper towels and foil. Not to mention it doesn't involve maiming the containers and pigeon-holing them to cultivation... a single weak use at that.
The containers I use have only slightly less grow out area, use less agar, are very simple to use, are perfectly reusable many many times, contain less plastic and since I don't use paper towel and reuse my tin foil there is no garbage. As for maiming the container for a single purpose. I buy them for that purpose. They are always in use filled with agar so they would never be available to use for anything else anyway.
I do like screw tops for cased grains and small test grows though. I'll have to check out target but Canadian target sucks so They likely cost more here.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#20912192 - 12/01/14 12:37 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said:
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Violet said: There are lots of reasons screw-top no-pour agar is genuinely superior. Use of agar, grow out area, simplicity, multi-use of materials, and fewer materials - particularly garbage materials like paper towels and foil. Not to mention it doesn't involve maiming the containers and pigeon-holing them to cultivation... a single weak use at that.
The containers I use have only slightly less grow out area, use less agar, are very simple to use, are perfectly reusable many many times, contain less plastic and since I don't use paper towel and reuse my tin foil there is no garbage. As for maiming the container for a single purpose. I buy them for that purpose. They are always in use filled with agar so they would never be available to use for anything else anyway.
it's just one of those statements to get noobs hooked before they look at the bigger picture. I don't know anyone who doesn't save their foil and paper towel isn't necessary but still most people have it anyway. modifying to suit a purpose isn't even a complaint most people would have unless they were reading it with virgin eyes and were like hey that sounds nifty.
it's called easy agar tek, not just agar tek, and that's because it's easier for almost everyone to culture with a smaller dish.
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MudaFuka
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#20912261 - 12/01/14 12:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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told ya, I had those eyes once too. you're like sweet method this all sounds awesome. then you're like 
I still have them when I look at brewery setups. I wanted a HERMS setup for at home brewing, pretty fucking overkill not as useful as it seems.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (12/01/14 12:54 PM)
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SuPaTriP
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I personally would much rather prefer disposable petris. But not having a flow hood, pouring a bunchof petris would be a massive pita. Imma roll with the pasty plates till I build my flowhood.
I see sectoring being a pita in the mini rounds in a sab... but doable. It will be fine for cloning one of my ks clusters and isolating from there. For the other four strains coming, imma run with petris at that point
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MudaFuka
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: SuPaTriP]
#20913295 - 12/01/14 04:59 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I pour plates in my SAB. As long as your SAB is tall enough it's not that bad at all.
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Inocuole
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#20913381 - 12/01/14 05:18 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seriously what is wrong with high walls on containers? I've been playing with my new ones and they're almost twice as tall as the mini-rounds but I don't have any contams in them yet due to holding them completely sideways while I extract my transfer. 
Storage, sure, that could be an issue, but I have a whole room devoted to this hobby so I can just install another shelf if it really gets crazy.
It also doesn't sit well with me, coming up in pasty's tek claiming different methods to be superior. "Oh it's not your fault or anything, my tek is just plainly better and I posted it before yours" You can like them better but to just claim them as superior... Just doesn't resonate right.
I find plenty of unique merit in this tek and the points you mentioned are all based on preference.
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Pastywhyte
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Registered: 09/15/12
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Inocuole]
#20913530 - 12/01/14 05:44 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ya hit the nail on the head inocule. I really don't care if people want to do pour agar or what container they use for no pour. I have used pretty much every container there is including muda's Ziploc's (which I actually like a lot and still use) violets screw tops, fancy jelly jars, half pints, 1/4 pints, pour agar, sectioned plates, etc. I had tried all these before i actually made my account. These are what I decided worked best for me. If someone tries them and moves on to something else I am perfectly alright with that, but if no one gives anything a shot that is a shame. Growing is a pretty subjective thing, there is no right way. If you produce mushrooms and not mold your doing something right 
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MudaFuka
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chammy


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: MudaFuka]
#20913621 - 12/01/14 06:00 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I used this tek as my first venture into agar because I wanted to begin cloning my best fruits. Although I followed the recipe I used it as a pour method into some petri dishes I had, and out of the 5 plates I did a week ago 3 are coming along great and 2 of them didn't do anything. I think I need to refine my method of acquiring a sample from my mushroom, but as far as this tek goes it was very easy to follow and I am happy with my results for my first try. I am going to pick up some quarter pint jars and try this tek verbatim my next try and see if I get even better results. Thanks Pastywhyte!
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Munchauzen


Registered: 06/22/11
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: chammy]
#20913648 - 12/01/14 06:06 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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acquiring the cloning material is as easy as dragging an x-acto blade along the inside of the flesh.
don't dig, don't excavate, just drag.
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Inocuole
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I get bacteria sometimes that way, but my technique is also unrefined. I'd feel more secure if I was able to separate one of those tissue strands that comes from the inside of the stem and lay that down. Might take tweezers to do that though.
I haven't had any luck so far just scraping the inner tissue and then running the same part of the blade against a new plate. 
Is that a thing that should work every time?
Edit: I was thinking of mycelium transfers from another plate, not tissue clones from inside of the flesh, ignore the above.
Edited by Inocuole (12/01/14 06:37 PM)
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SuPaTriP
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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: Inocuole]
#20913686 - 12/01/14 06:13 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doing up some tonight. So just a drop of honey? Thats all it takes??
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chammy


Registered: 10/24/14
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Munchauzen said: acquiring the cloning material is as easy as dragging an x-acto blade along the inside of the flesh.
don't dig, don't excavate, just drag.
Alright cool, that is what I was doing. I guess I just got self-conscious about it because my samples weren't nice neat little squares like I see in all the examples I looked at. Instead mine are blackened strips that don't look anything like what I saw.
Edited by chammy (12/01/14 06:16 PM)
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Munchauzen


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Re: Pasty Agar Tek [Re: chammy]
#20913719 - 12/01/14 06:20 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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If they are black, then you might be burning them with your tool. make sure its cooled down. I like to count to 30, then drag it thru my agar, then take the clone.
also, the examples like in RR's videos are wedges cut from agar, not from other mushrooms. kind of misleading.
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chammy


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Munchauzen said: If they are black, then you might be burning them with your tool. make sure its cooled down. I like to count to 30, then drag it thru my agar, then take the clone.
also, the examples like in RR's videos are wedges cut from agar, not from other mushrooms. kind of misleading.
Thanks for the help!
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