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    #20902195 - 11/28/14 08:36 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Don't we all need some medicine?


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Re: Medicine [Re: Rahz]
    #20902410 - 11/28/14 09:36 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I seem to be hooked on the stuff. :shrug:


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Re: Medicine [Re: Icelander]
    #20902416 - 11/28/14 09:37 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I seem to be hooked on the stuff. :shrug:




Lol me too


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Re: Medicine [Re: Icelander]
    #20902487 - 11/28/14 09:56 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

On what stuff?


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Re: Medicine [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #20902590 - 11/28/14 10:19 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I thought this was going to be some asinine "big-pharma" rant containing lots of paranoia and very little meaning.  I'm glad it wasn't.


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Re: Medicine [Re: Rahz]
    #20902823 - 11/28/14 11:20 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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On what stuff?




The medicine.  For me right now it's Kratom, Phenibut and Cannabis.  I use it for pain at the moment.  Without it I'm pretty sure I'd be dead.


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Re: Medicine [Re: Ped]
    #20902825 - 11/28/14 11:20 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Give it some time, it will be.


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Re: Medicine [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #20902854 - 11/28/14 11:32 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Phenibut is a Russian Pharm medicine.  In the US it's virtually unknown to doctors.  I have three on my issues and not one had heard of Kratom or Phenibut. Nor were they interested in hearing about them.  How can I talk about treating my pain when they don't even know what works.  The drugs they gave me, Gabapentin and Lyrica did zip on my intense pain. The Lyrica costs $500 per month.  Phenibut costs about $10 and worked like it should cost $500.  It's been a struggle to get my doctors to think outside of the box at all.  The Naturopath has been the most willing.  He's recognized my zeal for doing research and is willing to follow my lead on some things.

But back to Phenibut.  Good for PSTD, Anxiety, general stress, Insomnia,depression and Neuropathic pain.  Well the covers the gamut of my issues and the stuff works like kick ass on my pain and all the rest of that stuff.  And it has almost none of the side effects of traditional pain/depression meds.  The one side effect is addiction/tolerance.  I'll deal with it.


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With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Edited by Icelander (11/28/14 11:34 PM)

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Re: Medicine [Re: Rahz]
    #20903229 - 11/29/14 02:29 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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Rahz said:
Don't we all need some medicine?




I had this conversation with my mother about mushrooms, i told her about the medicinal benefits and she was like 'are you sick?'

I think that anyone here in samsara, maya, creation, has an illness of sorts, a psychological delusion of identification


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Re: Medicine [Re: Chronic7]
    #20903252 - 11/29/14 02:53 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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The Chronic said:
Quote:

Rahz said:
Don't we all need some medicine?




I had this conversation with my mother about mushrooms, i told her about the medicinal benefits and she was like 'are you sick?'

I think that anyone here in samsara, maya, creation, has an illness of sorts, a psychological delusion of identification



well that's ironic because I think the belief in samsara, maya is toxic also and creates sickness in community. here is why:

These beliefs have an origin. They come from fear of nature, and have the idea that the body and nature somehow trap the 'spirit'. AND that in order to find release from this 'trap'/maya' one must workout one's 'karma'. The awful Indian caste system came about from these didgy ideas. So we had the Brahmins at the top and the 'sudra' or 'untouchables' at the bottom who literally shoveled the shit of their 'superiors'---the elite with the 'superior karma'. Asnd of course at the tope are the so-called gurus or holy men who C L A I M to have resolved their karmic degbt and out of the goodness of their hearts are trying to help others do same ahhhhhhh

ALL of that utter BS can be seen through with the original sactred medicine magic mushrooms and the other psychedelics. That they can do that is a HUGE reason why in Indian culture only the Brahmans were allowed access and secret knowledge of psychedelic mushrooms, cryptically referred to in Indian mythology, eg Siva and his 'blue colour' etc etc. And for everyone else msuhrooms are demonized and are taboo.

So 'illness' is adhering to rigid toxic beliefs that divide you from others, and nature, and your own sensual body and being, and magic mushrooms can help heal this harmful pattern. They help us laugh, sing, dance, and see through falseness, and feel the awesome wonders of nature, the body, all the mindblowing erotic aliveness of all reality, and realize that life and death are not opposed but a dynamic interwoven process which is nature which we are a part of. we ARE nature

Edited by zzripz (11/29/14 04:34 AM)

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Re: Medicine [Re: zzripz]
    #20903286 - 11/29/14 03:27 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)





well that's ironic because I think the belief in samsara, maya is toxic also and creates sickness in community.




That's not really ironic, that's just two people seeing things differently :shrug:....  It would be a little more ironic if say he convinced his mom, who was totally otherwise fine, that she was in a state of samsara and to take the mushrooms for their curative properties, but then they drove her crazy and she jumped off a cliff.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

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Re: Medicine [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #20903313 - 11/29/14 03:53 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

medicine is just the selection of which bits of samsara are good to mix with other bits


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Re: Medicine [Re: redgreenvines]
    #20903340 - 11/29/14 04:22 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Some of you should seek professional help by a team of specialists.  Then at least you'll be poor and not able to seek more of their help.


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Re: Medicine [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #20903725 - 11/29/14 09:07 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

i think the team of specialists need medicine


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Re: Medicine [Re: zzripz]
    #20903851 - 11/29/14 09:59 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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CosmicJoke said:
Quote:

zzripz said:
well that's ironic because I think the belief in samsara, maya is toxic also and creates sickness in community.




That's not really ironic, that's just two people seeing things differently :shrug:....  It would be a little more ironic if say he convinced his mom, who was totally otherwise fine, that she was in a state of samsara and to take the mushrooms for their curative properties, but then they drove her crazy and she jumped off a cliff.




I should've been clearer, i did not tell my mum that everyone in samsara is sick and needs psychedelic medicine! :lol:

It was more that me claiming they are medicinal and her questioning why i need mushrooms as medicine made me think about it for myself, she has a point, i don't have PTSD, cancer, cluster headaches, i don't smoke, i'm not in need of anything to help me have a mystical experience... or any of the other benefits i might've mentioned, why do i still take mushrooms that i see as medicinal?

It made me see samsara as suffering and psilocybin can be a medicine to help one wake up from it, so by that definition anyone here is ill in some way, i don't really go around seeing things like that but that's how it came to me at the time

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Rahz said:
Don't we all need some medicine?




I had this conversation with my mother about mushrooms, i told her about the medicinal benefits and she was like 'are you sick?'

I think that anyone here in samsara, maya, creation, has an illness of sorts, a psychological delusion of identification



well that's ironic because I think the belief in samsara, maya is toxic also and creates sickness in community. here is why:

These beliefs have an origin. They come from fear of nature, and have the idea that the body and nature somehow trap the 'spirit'. AND that in order to find release from this 'trap'/maya' one must workout one's 'karma'. The awful Indian caste system came about from these didgy ideas. So we had the Brahmins at the top and the 'sudra' or 'untouchables' at the bottom who literally shoveled the shit of their 'superiors'---the elite with the 'superior karma'. Asnd of course at the tope are the so-called gurus or holy men who C L A I M to have resolved their karmic degbt and out of the goodness of their hearts are trying to help others do same ahhhhhhh

ALL of that utter BS can be seen through with the original sactred medicine magic mushrooms and the other psychedelics. That they can do that is a HUGE reason why in Indian culture only the Brahmans were allowed access and secret knowledge of psychedelic mushrooms, cryptically referred to in Indian mythology, eg Siva and his 'blue colour' etc etc. And for everyone else msuhrooms are demonized and are taboo.

So 'illness' is adhering to rigid toxic beliefs that divide you from others, and nature, and your own sensual body and being, and magic mushrooms can help heal this harmful pattern. They help us laugh, sing, dance, and see through falseness, and feel the awesome wonders of nature, the body, all the mindblowing erotic aliveness of all reality, and realize that life and death are not opposed but a dynamic interwoven process which is nature which we are a part of. we ARE nature




I somewhat agree that seeing samsara as an illness to be gotten over and teachings about liberation from the rebirth cycle etc can be misleading for some people, for other not so, you seem a bit too sure its a BS theory, how are you so sure?

Talk to more old people, some want to come back and many say they do not, if mind takes form (look around) then it is totally possible

Reincarnation is not currently provable nor can you disprove it, the thing is even if it has an actual part in the universes functioning it's still not actually real, so you're right it is BS, but it is all BS


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Re: Medicine [Re: Chronic7]
    #20903899 - 11/29/14 10:16 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Dukkha is the problem.
The Pāli word [dukkha] is often translated as suffering, but it means something deeper than pain and misery. It refers to a basic unsatisfactoriness running through our lives,


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Edited by Icelander (11/29/14 10:18 AM)

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Re: Medicine [Re: Icelander]
    #20903905 - 11/29/14 10:18 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Heroin is my medicine,,, also Adair because of my asthma..


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Re: Medicine [Re: Icelander]
    #20903908 - 11/29/14 10:18 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

nama rupa


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Re: Medicine [Re: Icelander]
    #20903915 - 11/29/14 10:20 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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How can I talk about treating my pain when they don't even know what works.  The drugs they gave me, Gabapentin and Lyrica did zip on my intense pain. The Lyrica costs $500 per month.




wow, that's disgusting.  cschem.ca has 5 grams for $55... $500 my ass.  been meaning to try it, i heard it's good for relaxation.

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Re: Medicine [Re: Hobozen]
    #20903922 - 11/29/14 10:24 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Phenibut for MDMA like relaxation :thumbup:


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Re: Medicine [Re: Icelander]
    #20903957 - 11/29/14 10:38 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

yeah man been using phenibut for years it's a staple. 

tianeptine is great too, there's a thread going on here  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20361808/fpart/1/vc/1

strong quick acting anti-depressant without nasty side-effect, light opiate at higher doses, works like a charm for those morning when i don't want to get out of bed.. gives a potent kick start to the day.  it's another one of those newer smart drugs like phenibut.  nootropicsdepot has it for cheap.

50mg of tianeptine, 400mg phenibut, half gram of weed edibles and i'm floating on clouds.

just started on memantine yesterday too... another really interesting one, supposedly works wonders for slowing the thought process, adhd, mania, anxiety, etc. 

don't think i'm going to need alcohol anymore.

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Re: Medicine [Re: Hobozen]
    #20903970 - 11/29/14 10:41 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

This is all valuable info for me. Thank you.


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Re: Medicine [Re: Icelander]
    #20905249 - 11/29/14 05:07 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

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basic unsatisfactoriness running through our lives,




Sex is a consideration there. Dating and seeing multiple people was far from perfect but proved to be better medicine than my failed attempts at monogamy.


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Re: Medicine [Re: Rahz]
    #20905317 - 11/29/14 05:25 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Food grade sodium/calcium bentonite clay
mushrooms whatever comes around..
loose leaf green tea organic
Kanna pharmaceutical(they say) grade sparingly days of now
Maca root organic - prepare for boost in sex drive... don't let it blind you :P hehe
yerba mate loose unsmoked organic
ashwagandha powdered root raw organic
Cacao organic
kava root organic
kratom organic - too dehydrating to use too often for me these days
cannabis organic oil ingested

any questions? however pm whatever

greeeeens! flax! organic! hehe

Heart attention!

organic land love/gardening/compost

Himalayan dry salt inhaler(nasal preference meself)

essential oils pure: lavender/peppermint
^ nice bit of meditative tools/situational assistants


prob a shit ton of things if I could acquire


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"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
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Re: Medicine [Re: Sse]
    #20906271 - 11/29/14 10:17 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Some medicine may make things worse before it makes it better.


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Re: Medicine [Re: Rahz]
    #20906387 - 11/29/14 10:41 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

nauseous mostly and then way improved (my fave medicines do)


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Re: Medicine [Re: Sse]
    #20908335 - 11/30/14 01:44 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

So the darkness
shall be the light,
and the stillness
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