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OfflinePolecat
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non bruising Psilocybe?
    #2087281 - 11/09/03 07:50 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

hi everyone, this is my first post, hehe, although, I grow mushies for sometime now. I'm from Portugal and there isn't any record of any Psilocybe species here, which can be explained by locating the country geographically, BUT this explanation doesn't satisfy me because near(relatively)here, in the "Pirineus"(northeast of Spain) there's a record of a "Psilocybe hispania", which means that in some spots of Portugal with the same conditions in the "Pirineus" Psilocybe growth is possible.
So I decided to go seek for the future "Psilocybe lusitania",hehe, I've looked and looked for it until a friend of mines called me and said I must see something in his lawn. I went there and I was amazed with the view: dozens of Psilocybe lookalikes all spread over the grass where a rabbit use to live and shit of course. I was absolutely sure that those were Psilocybes, so I did the first test: with a small blade I bruised the mushy stem and waited, right after that I took a print from a brother of the bruised one.

Conclusions: I'm very confused...first I waited and waited, and know signs of bluish marks of any kind, just the shroom's bruised stem, I'm still trying to get some "metol" to be sure, the second test proved to be a moralizing one, the spores where exactly the color of the "cubensis". I know the pics are very useful here but I want to know if I can hopeful since the cap, stem, spores, smell(hehe), gills and soil matches the Psilocybes.

So does or does not exist Psilocybe species wich aren't bluished when bruised?
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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Polecat]
    #2087644 - 11/09/03 09:40 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I'm unfamiliar with that area of the world in the way of mushrooms...  :crazy:

Luckily, MJshroomer might have some information for you. Wait to see if he will reply.


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: angryshroom]
    #2087669 - 11/09/03 09:53 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

YHERE ARE OVER 100 ODD SPECIES OF PSILOCYBE WHICH ARE NOT PYCHCOACTIVE. HOWEVER THERE ARE 115 SPECIES OF PSILOCYBE WHICH ARE PSILOCYBIAN.

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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2087800 - 11/09/03 10:32 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Since it doesn;t deserve its own thread, here's a question for you MJ:

Is there a kind of psychoactive mushroom that grows near the Oregon coast that would have a cap around 5 inches in diameter? I only ask because a friend found a patch of mushrooms with blue-bruising stems and caps that size.


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Wiener]
    #2087956 - 11/09/03 11:15 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

did it have gills or pores


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Dobie]
    #2088026 - 11/09/03 11:34 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

did it have gills or pores



I second that question! :laugh:


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: angryshroom]
    #2088909 - 11/10/03 08:57 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Gills, I'm pretty sure. He said it looked almost identical to a bag of shrooms he bought from someone who said they picked them on the Washington coast. I'm not sure though, and to clarify, only one cap was that size. He's making a spore print now.


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Wiener]
    #2089199 - 11/10/03 11:43 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Probably Psilocybe azurescens yet most azure caps are about 2 inches in diameter yet I have seen one close to three inches one time.

That would be the only magic species on the coast of Southern Washington or northern Oregon which would be that large if at all possible.



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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Polecat]
    #2089293 - 11/10/03 12:16 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

isn't maia from your neck of the woods? perhaps maia can help yyou on this, try sending a pm


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: comario2]
    #2090411 - 11/10/03 07:10 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Well MJ, I'm seeing the guy tomorrow so I'll snap a pic. He was probably exaggerating.


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Polecat]
    #2090430 - 11/10/03 07:16 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard people saying there are Ps. Semilanceata growing in Porto and surroundings but i've never confirmed such story. I've found Panaeolus Subbalteatus and Gymnopilus Spectabilis growing in my town, near Lisbon. In fact, tomorrow i'm going to take some Gym pics, they are up and running :grin:
Psilocybe hispanica was found by Nacho a couple of years ago but i think they are restricted to the pirenees. A good place to go hunting would be tr?s-os-montes or minho, specially ger?s.
About your findings, can you post a pic ? If you can't PM me if you're willing to arrange something.

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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: MAIA]
    #2100999 - 11/13/03 09:30 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I think we should meet MAIA, we could make somekind of spore trade: like some Amanita's for some Gymnopilus's...


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Polecat]
    #2102272 - 11/13/03 03:19 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

what a crappy trade.


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Rebirtha]
    #2102354 - 11/13/03 03:49 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

why so you say that Evan?


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Polecat]
    #2102652 - 11/13/03 05:19 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Becuase you can't grow Amanitas, they're mychorrizal.


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Gumby]
    #2103893 - 11/13/03 10:17 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

This morning my dad said to me "mushrooms are almost impossible to grow".  I wish i would've known that term "mychorrizal" when he said that so i could've been a smart ass :smile:  i told him that cubensis grow easily indoors (semi-easily).  me and my dad can talk about a lot of shit, including drugs (although he's not too fond of them). 


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: roofus]
    #2105052 - 11/14/03 04:39 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

yes they're mychorrizal, and...

that doesn't mean you can't grow them


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Polecat]
    #2105289 - 11/14/03 07:40 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Amanitas are found growing in the ground and usually have a mycorrhizal association with trees. That means you need a tree to grow them, mycorrhizal associations make some species somewhat undomestic and Amanitas are one of them.
I don't know about anybody being able to grow Amanitas. Do you know anyone ?

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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: MAIA]
    #2105323 - 11/14/03 07:53 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Btw Polecat. Send me a PM and maybe we could arrange something this weekend or the next one :wink: .

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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: MAIA]
    #2105796 - 11/14/03 10:36 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Amanitas love birch and Pine. Bitrch is signified as the Tree of life. This is form Europe and the rig vida.

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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Polecat]
    #2105802 - 11/14/03 10:37 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Polecat said:
yes they're mychorrizal, and...

that doesn't mean you can't grow them





For all practical purposes, you can't grow them. Growing mychorrizal fungi is a very tough task.


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2105932 - 11/14/03 11:03 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

yep, actually in all this posts we can see how to grow muscarias.

where I pick them they interact with pine and "chor?o", you just have to drop the spores in a similar spot(soil impermeability, soil acidity(pH), percipitation concentrations,flora etc) and voi la!next year you have amanitas in you new spot.

to achieve this using GIS(Geographic Information System) is very usefull.


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Polecat]
    #2106573 - 11/14/03 01:54 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

That does not work by dropping your spores byu trees or bushes.

And the Amanita always grow in association with burch or pine.

mj

And no one has ever been able to grow them in vitro.

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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2113099 - 11/16/03 09:03 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Wait a sec. The following may be ridiculously speculative, but

Many Pinus species are grown as bonsai. Could one grow a small crop of Amanitas on a bonsai specially designed for the purpose (i.e. in a wide pot?)





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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #2115406 - 11/17/03 06:42 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

good question.beats me


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #2116996 - 11/17/03 02:52 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Anybody have a amanita muscaria spore-print to donate to such an effort?


Fuck, i don't have any pine bonsai...

only ficus and juniper.



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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: mjshroomer]
    #8841616 - 08/28/08 01:04 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Mj what shrroms from cow manure are phsyco? These ones are mostly white but black and some have brown gills...some of these have white ends..the spore print is black and some I say caramelize after picking..worms love them 2!!!!and some have a black bruising but t wipes off the cap? and some of the stems bruise brown? I also live in Oklahoma...south west part
about 30 minutes from okc...PLZ help


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: MDMA_Tech]
    #8841653 - 08/28/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

MJ was banned for attempting to sue the shroomery admins, and from going crazy after pedophilia accusations.

Also this post is 4 years old, if they are white and bruise blue and are on poop  Panaeolus cyanescens, also known as Copelandia cyanescens aka copes, if they look like copes but dont bruise blue they are pan ants or some other inactive pans.


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: implee]
    #8841715 - 08/28/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Lol @ the new one.


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Re: non bruising Psilocybe? [Re: MDMA_Tech]
    #8842189 - 08/28/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Mj what shrroms from cow manure are phsyco? These ones are mostly white but black and some have brown gills...some of these have white ends..the spore print is black and some I say caramelize after picking..worms love them 2!!!!and some have a black bruising but t wipes off the cap? and some of the stems bruise brown? I also live in Oklahoma...south west part
about 30 minutes from okc...PLZ help





Holy fuck seriously you have bumped up atleast 4 olllddddd as fuck threads in the pas week, use the search tool that what it's there for read a bit!!!!
and if you can post pics and do a proper ID dont eat it i know you really want it to be active but its probally not dont make yourself sick over nothing.


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