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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: MisterKite]
    #2087035 - 11/09/03 06:22 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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But what makes someone an illegal? Doing something illegal!!! In the U.S.A. smoking cannabis and consuming hallucongenic mushrooms is a crime. Thus you are an illegal, and you're taking a job.



Foolish. Smoking a joint does not somehow magically transform me into an illegal alien.


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As for the medical care and transplant organs, that is such a low percentage.



One is too many. Did you even read the article? Do you have the ability to comprehend what you read?


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Why not attempt to be a good person and feel sympahty for people who aren't as fortunate as you?



Stupid assumption. I do far more than you'd imagine.


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Wow. I'm just shocked at how selfish and inconsiderate you are.



Wow. I'm just shocked by what a moronic statement that is.


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Just wondering, luvdemshrooms, are you religious?



Not that it matters but I'm an atheist.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2087053 - 11/09/03 06:32 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I never said it makes you an illegal alien, but it does make you a criminal, which is what you have against illegal aliens. You are an illegal citizen. Do you see my logic here, luvdemshrooms? You are so against illegal aliens because what they do is illegal. If they were born in the U.S. but took jobs away how would it be any different?


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2087058 - 11/09/03 06:33 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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But what makes someone an illegal? Doing something illegal!!! In the U.S.A. smoking cannabis and consuming hallucongenic mushrooms is a crime. Thus you are an illegal, and you're taking a job.



Foolish. Smoking a joint does not somehow magically transform me into an illegal alien.



No, but it does make you a criminal.

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As for the medical care and transplant organs, that is such a low percentage.



One is too many. Did you even read the article? Do you have the ability to comprehend what you read?



Ya, and...?

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Why not attempt to be a good person and feel sympahty for people who aren't as fortunate as you?



Stupid assumption. I do far more than you'd imagine.



While at the same time insulting them?


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: MisterKite]
    #2087068 - 11/09/03 06:38 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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I never said it makes you an illegal alien, but it does make you a criminal, which is what you have against illegal aliens.



Read a bit closer. I also have a problem with the cost both in jobe and financial. I have no problem with legal immigrants.


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You are an illegal citizen.



An illegal citizen would be one who commited fraud to become a citizen.
I didn't. I was born here.


Weaker than the last.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: silversoul7]
    #2087078 - 11/09/03 06:41 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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No, but it does make you a criminal.



No, it makes me a lawbreaker / social protester.


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Ya, and...?



Ya, and if one citizen misses out, that's one too many. The costs to society outweigh the benefits. Ship the scumbags home.


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While at the same time insulting them?



Nope. I only insult fools. If I'm helping someone I don't consider them to be a fool.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2087084 - 11/09/03 06:44 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

luvdemshrooms, you take it so literally simply to digress from a once valid argument. By illegal citizen, I mean a citizen who has committed a crime and is thus living freely illegally.

Answer me this: What's the difference between an illegal immigrant getting a job or a legal citizen getting a job? The person who has the most diligence and commitment is the one who will be hired, so really this is just supporting our capitalist economic system. If the illegal immigrant is willign to work harder, great for them, now maybe their family won't have to starve to death while they mourn all the abundant tragedies that infest their lives like a maggot in a corpse.

You don't even care to acknowledge the factor of how incredibly shitty these people's lives are in this argument.

If you do so much to help out other peopel and be compassionate, how is this one issue going to burden you? It should make you feel great to support these idols of freedom, of hope.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: MisterKite]
    #2087094 - 11/09/03 06:48 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Try this on for size. I can't recall but it's either Washington, Oregon, or Cali, but one of those states, illegal immigrants get in-state tuition at state universities.

WTF?

I don't get that shit. Those people aren't US citizens, and aren't citizens of the state, but get to pay instate tuition. I'm at least a US citizen, but if I wanted to go to a state college, I'd get assraped for tuition.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #2087107 - 11/09/03 06:51 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

That sounds like some affirmative action bullshit, which I highly disagree with.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: MisterKite]
    #2087114 - 11/09/03 06:53 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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What's the difference between an illegal immigrant getting a job or a legal citizen getting a job?



One is here legally, one is not. Is this really so difficult?


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The person who has the most diligence and commitment is the one who will be hired, so really this is just supporting our capitalist economic system.



No, all too often it's the one with the proper ethnic background. And given the choice between paying someone here legally the minimum wage, or an illegal substandard wages, who'll often get hired? Hey.... let's exploit the illegals and keep our costs down!


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If the illegal immigrant is willign to work harder, great for them, now maybe their family won't have to starve to death while the mourn all the abundant tragedies that infest their lives like a maggot in a corpse that you don't even care to acknowledge in this argument.



Not my problem. You help them if you'd like. I'll keep writing my reps and demanding they get shipped out.


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If you do so much to help out other peopel and be compassionate, how is this one issue going to burden you?



You mean besides the 7b plus that goes to educate the kids of these criminals? You mean besides the other costs such as medical care, food stamps and welfare? You mean besides the jobs they take?


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It should make you feel great to support these idols of freedom, of hope.



Right. What will make me feel great is seeing the planes and ships carrying them back to where-ever they came from.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2087133 - 11/09/03 07:02 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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Nope. I only insult fools. If I'm helping someone I don't consider them to be a fool.



Whatever you say.  Somehow, I can't get this image out of my head of you working in a soup kitchen while yelling, "GET A FUCKING JOB YOU SCUMBAG FREELOADERS!" :lol:


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: silversoul7]
    #2087140 - 11/09/03 07:05 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

That would be funny.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2087150 - 11/09/03 07:07 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

That first quote was rhetorical, I answered it in my post. The differnce is one has commited a crime, one has not. The same differnce between you and someone who hasn't committed a crime. These people shouldn;t be discriminated against.

As for the 7b + that we spend on educating illegal immigrants, the credibility was lost once I saw that the source who says we spend that gross amount was extremely biased. If it's the Burea of Immigration Reform, of course they're going to say it's high. They don't even say how they got that number. Plus, it's like saying "We are spending X amount of money on children who are black, if we didn't educate them we could do blah blah blah." Educating illegal immigrants is really the only option we have. They aren't leaving any time soon.

They're here. Lets accomadate them, integrate them into oru society, offer them relief. And luvdemshrooms, find me a credible source so your argument will have some sustenance.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2087168 - 11/09/03 07:14 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

it's very simple. if you are an illegal immigrant you do not pay taxes. therefore, you have no place driving on our roads, going to our schools, being protected by our police and military, etc.

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    #2087177 - 11/09/03 07:17 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Now that is a valid point about going to our schools, and it definetly offers doubt to my views.

As for getting licenses, that effects our tax payments so minutely, I feel that there's no reason they shouldn't be educated on road safety.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: MisterKite]
    #2087183 - 11/09/03 07:19 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

road construction and maintanance is paid for out of the pockets of taxpayers. it's not just about the cost of issuing a license.

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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: MisterKite]
    #2087205 - 11/09/03 07:26 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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the credibility was lost once I saw that the source who says we spend that gross amount was extremely biased.



Based on data from the Census and easily verifiable from other sources than the BIR.


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And luvdemshrooms, find me a credible source so your argument will have some sustenance.



I gave you a source, if you're not staisfied by that, find one to refute it.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2087230 - 11/09/03 07:33 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

yea mushmaster, i realize that, but not very many illegal immigrants are driving in the first place. To me, the percentage of illegal immigrants to citizens is drastic, and i live close to los angeles. I am willing to pay that half a cent or whatever it probably equates to, to maintain the extremely minimal damage their cars do to our roads.


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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: MisterKite]
    #2087297 - 11/09/03 07:54 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

yea mushmaster, i realize that, but not very many illegal immigrants are driving in the first place. To me, the percentage of illegal immigrants to citizens is drastic, and i live close to los angeles. I am willing to pay that half a cent or whatever it probably equates to, to maintain the extremely minimal damage their cars do to our roads.

maybe you are willing to provide free roads for illegal immigrants but others may not be. if you don't pay taxes, you don't drive on the roads. it doesn't matter if there is only one illegal immigrant in the country with a car... he or she should not be able to drive on our roads.

what exactly do you californians even mean by "illegal" immigrant anymore? they're allowed to vote in your elections, drive on your roads, attend your schools... it seems like the only thing they're not allowed to do is work and pay taxes.

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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: MisterKite]
    #2087803 - 11/09/03 10:33 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I believe it is any country's right to determine who gets into their
borders and how many get in. Excessive migration of people can
cause all kinds of problems such as resource shortages and excessive
governmental expenditures.

After investigation, I believe that the American economy is better
off with Mexican workers(LEGAL ONES). They work hard and they do a
lot of shit jobs that born and bred Americans don't want to do. I
believe that we should accomodate these legal workers if it is
determined by experts to be beneficial to us.

Illegals are another story. Some of them come in, work, leave,
and cause no problems. Others bring drugs in, vote illegally,
partake in government programs(public education, welfare, health care,
etc...) all the while paying little or no taxes. Basically, there
is too much of a tendency for them to come in and do things that
are detrimental to real American citizens.

That's why we don't need any more of them. The ones that are here
should be tracked down and shipped back to their countries in my
opinion. The border should be beefed up dramatically. I support
the concept of the border patrol having a hell of a lot more
manpower and ability. To put it more simply, I think that the border
should be practically militarized.

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Re: Drivers licenses for illegal immigrants [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2088090 - 11/09/03 11:45 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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Luvdemshrooms said:
I said nothing about shooting anyone.




obviously i know you didnt.  its just that you come across as having a complete lack of compassion towards these people that it reminded me of texas rangers and their shoot-first-ask-questions-later policy towards mexicans. 

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Yes I was born here but as with just about everyone else, my family came here from another country. They came here legally.




well if you live here a certain amount of time you just become a citizen regardless if you came illegaly, and if youre ancestors were illegal, their children born here would be citizens.  its very likely that a hell of a lot of citizens here had ancestors who were illegal even though they themselves are citizens.  but the bottom line is that i just don't see how what other people, who happen to be related to you, did in the past, gives you this unassaible right to shit, and other people not.  i acknowledge that we unfortunately have to have some checks on illegal immigrants, but i dont understand how you can be so uncompassionate to people who happened to be born in such a shitty place while you were so goddamn lucky as to be born where you did.

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I scapegoated no-one.




you blame them for having this horrible effect on our economy.  welfare is what percentage of our taxes (percentage, not dollars)?  and what percentage of illegals actually receive welfare?  so then what does it come out to?  its gotta be something like <0.5% of my money, which isnt something to get so aggressive about.  shit ive thrown away pennies before. 

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That was one of your weakest posts I've seen.





:sad: no, please, dont say that.  :nonono: i am desperately seeking your approval.  :rolleyes: 


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