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blackdust
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unsterilized PF style bags
#20871466 - 11/21/14 05:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheMustardTiger
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: blackdust]
#20871532 - 11/21/14 05:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust
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Project: Fac Periclitatur is coming soon! Deals with slurry and unsterilized spawn.
Waring: Project: Fac Periclitatur has nothing to do with this thread as Project: Fac Periclitatur is already half-way finished.
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cronicr
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: blackdust]
#20877107 - 11/22/14 10:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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but cutting corners isn't going to improve anything which is my point
why add an extra step if it;s not needed? (we cant say I'm cutting corners at this point b.c the results are pending) I'm saying, if we dont have to sterilize or PC our spawn then why do it? Do you think the yield would be greatly effected?
we will carry on here but i honestly dont' even feel like i need to answer that one
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cronicr
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: cronicr]
#20877114 - 11/22/14 10:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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"it doesn't matter what i think of you.....all that matters is clean spawn"
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blackdust
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: cronicr]
#20877142 - 11/22/14 10:16 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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What are the BE results on pasteurized and unpasteurized coir? I think coir should probably be pasteurized but I havnt looked to much into it. I got one tub has the pasteurized coir and another tub without the pasteurized coir. My results wont be valid those b/c of different spawn and not using agar for an iso.
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: blackdust]
#20877161 - 11/22/14 10:21 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coir is forgiving 95% of the time.
-------------------- Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal. And I am mentally unstable.
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cronicr
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: blackdust]
#20877169 - 11/22/14 10:22 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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coir just needs heat treatment, i haven't found a difference from pasturized at 150 to sterilized at 240, the major drawback here is once you go to an unsterile sub you can't expand any further. as for BE that ca vary hugely from one iso to another
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budmanman
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: cronicr]
#20877188 - 11/22/14 10:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Unsterile? I have cut a Monotub in half that was pasteurized and spawned it to 2 new tubs with more pasteurized poo so that statement is invalid.
-------------------- Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal. And I am mentally unstable.
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cronicr
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: budmanman]
#20877214 - 11/22/14 10:31 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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budmanman said: Unsterile? I have cut a Monotub in half that was pasteurized and spawned it to 2 new tubs with more pasteurized poo so that statement is invalid.
he is going cake to unsterile pf bags, good luck trying to get it to work nevermind expand it
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blackdust
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: cronicr]
#20877227 - 11/22/14 10:35 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I took pics if it works.
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budmanman
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: cronicr]
#20877229 - 11/22/14 10:36 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well that I can agree with. It is a foolish idea. Even the most armature grower knows how easy grains contam.
-------------------- Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal. And I am mentally unstable.
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cronicr
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: budmanman]
#20877239 - 11/22/14 10:38 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte cronicr said: It might be. Brf is very nutritious, almost too nutritious. Ratios would need to be carefully considered. Too many nutes hurt yields. Also you posted pics of contamed cakes. Those right there prove brf is not contam proof. Any method of expansion is only as clean as its inoculate.
There is another aspect your not considering. Brf is expensive. I have access to free grain and free straw and hpoo. Really cheap coir and verm. When I can grow for almost nothing switching to a very expensive spawn just is not that attractive.
I like the slurry. I am planning to use some for some grows I wouldn't attempt with a different spawn. But I ain't advocating these experiments as a good method yet. If I pull it off it will be a reasonably cheap really easy, high BE grow. But one thing at a time. I first need to pull it off a few dozen times, with isolates to be sure it works the way I want. Theory is fine, practice is key.
jk jk
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blackdust
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: budmanman]
#20877263 - 11/22/14 10:45 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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budmanman said: how easy grains contam.
unsterilized WBS bag fully colonized. Must just be my fools gold
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cronicr
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: blackdust]
#20877264 - 11/22/14 10:46 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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blackdust said:
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budmanman said: how easy grains contam.
unsterilized WBS bag fully colonized. Must just be my fools gold
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blackdust
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: cronicr]
#20877269 - 11/22/14 10:47 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Pastywhyte cronicr said: . Also you posted pics of contamed cakes. Those right there prove brf is not contam proof.
BRF cakes, yes. Slurry, to be tested.
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blackdust
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: cronicr]
#20877273 - 11/22/14 10:47 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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blackdust said:
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budmanman said: how easy grains contam.
unsterilized WBS bag fully colonized. Must just be my fools gold
You think it;s contamed?
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cronicr
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: blackdust]
#20877288 - 11/22/14 10:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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should at least start your soak with boiling water so they don't spout on you lol. how long has that been in fruiting?
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budmanman
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: blackdust]
#20877290 - 11/22/14 10:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I recently did a sterilized hpoo experiment. 9 or so monotubs instead of pasteurizing. Most contamed before first flush. 3 made it to 1. And only 1 made it to 4th. I had always pasteurized but thought wrong and tried sterilization. That grain probably full 9f hidden nasties. Just like my hpoo was. It colonized fine. Thats all.
-------------------- Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal. And I am mentally unstable.
Edited by budmanman (11/22/14 10:59 PM)
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blackdust
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Re: unsterilized PF style bags [Re: cronicr]
#20877303 - 11/22/14 10:55 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: should at least start your soak with boiling water so they don't spout on you lol. how long has that been in fruiting?
I did. Boiling water for a 15 min soak. Did you even read that thread.
The WBS bag has been colonizing in the coir tub for 5 days now. I spawned it the same day I spawned the unsterilized BRF/verm tub.
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