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spores
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: Demiurgos]
#1951277 - 09/25/03 02:03 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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meh Like a few of the posters above said, if you like it sober, you'll dig it tripping. For the others, if you don't like listening to metal (ooooh scary ) while on psychedelics, that's fine, but I find statements like "it would be unpleasant and you will be inhibiting your trip by listening to them" and "Any metal is bad for a trip" to be incredibly close minded and ignorant (please don't take this in offense, I've seen you guys post elsewhere before and you seem fairly intelligent, but in this case it's true) not everyone likes listening to the same music, tripping or sober. I've had many intense trips on various psychedelics while listening to metal, with no bad vibes or problems of any sort. I have friends that like to listen electronic music when tripping that I can't fucking stand for over 10 minutes, but I don't make broad, sweeping generalizations of a whole genre of music just because I didn't enjoy the crap I listened to when I was with them . Some electronic music I actually do enjoy hearing during a trip, but after a couple songs, I usually get bored of it and want to hear something that is a little more organic (i.e. real instruments played by a group of people) rock, jazz, classical, whatever, it doesn't even have to be metal . Not to single out techno as I don't even know what you all listen to, it was just to show that I don't really like what many of the other posters here seem to rave about, just like you may not like whatever metal you've heard. And if you don't like any of the metal you've heard, you haven't heard enough . Anyway, yeh, that's all, listen to them if YOU like them. Peace DH
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: spores]
#1951335 - 09/25/03 02:23 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, what i meant by Children of Bodom inhibiting your trip, is most likely very true. Psychedelics amplify every sensory input you absorb, and in order to truly experience a mystical eccstatic soul searching ego crushing life changing trip, i, feel that people will have a better chance of doing this with certain kind's of music...no not floyd, or the doors, or ccr, or the cowsills....
Its very well known that the set and setting are what creates the head trip, and repetitive, driving beats...are heavily contributing to visionary states. This couldnt be more true than when examining a shamanistic ceremony.... Just look at rave culture, its based around heavy beats and drugs. (yeah yeah..dont bitch me out about that one, take it for what it means)
I never said it would be wrong to listen to Children of Bodom, but it is not ideal music for maximizing trip, and will, indeed limit the trips potential. And as said, it's probably good until one figures out what tripping is all about and what one can get out of this headspace.
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Harbinger
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: PDU]
#1951367 - 09/25/03 02:38 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you want to listen to some metal while tripping, I'd say listening to some Opeth, especially their earlier stuff like Orcid. I find alot of emotion in alot of the guitar parts, and when I'm tripping it's truly moving.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: PDU]
#1951641 - 09/25/03 03:56 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see where you're coming from but I still disagree. Repetitive, driving beats (which can be found in pretty much any kind of music anyway)bore me, on drugs or not. Sure, some electronic music has taken repetition to the extreme, but most can't hold my attention, and I've gone out of my way to look for some that does. Even the stuff I can get into gets old quick when I'm tripping. Anyway, I still see no reason why any type of music would be superior to any other for tripping, or to say that people (not you) ARE limiting their trips because they listen to things that YOU THINK are limiting to a trip (Have you even heard the band in question? Not that hearing CoB would be likely to change your opinion, heh). To insinuate that people don't know what tripping is all about based on the type of music they like to listen to while altered is ludicrous. If you really wanted to "maximize" your trip, I think the best way would be tripping in a dark, quiet room. No tunes, they're merely a distraction, albeit a nice one...
to Harbinger for mentioning Opeth, I've listened to them for a long time and they still blow me away. Peace, DH
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: spores]
#1951775 - 09/25/03 04:42 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Harbinger has the idea OPETH IS THE RULE. I havent listened to them tripping but I have high and they are awesome. If you want some Opeth that isnt so intense id say orcid or damnation (these are albums). Other bands that are sick are Thrice, In Flames and pretty much any Swedish metal I like. Enjoy.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: spores]
#1951806 - 09/25/03 04:55 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ive been listening to Children of Bodom for awhile now and am a punk rocker, i know my loud angry pissed off underground genre's of music very well...
But your not getting it...What i meant by loud repetitive beats, was drumming. Its well known for producing eccstatic state's, its been widely used globably for many thousands of years in ceremony designed to bring about mystical experiences.
It has nothing to do with musical preference... Its the fact that the intensity and repetition create's psychological signals which bring about visionary states. (by the way, I HATE electronic music)
Anyways, im not imposing my personal judgements on you, or the original poster, merely suggesting that this is something universal, to everybody. Its been time tested for thousands of year's, and its been examined extensively..
From Shamanic.net
--The human mind fixates upon the monotonous and repetitive. The constant striking of the drum produces a repetitive and monotonous beat pattern. When the mind fixates, all "chitter-chatter" and emotional overwhelm ceases. A profound state of Silence ensues.
The high-pitched overtone stimulates the brain into the alpha brain wave state. This alpha state is experienced as a dreamy, daydream-like state of being. Physiologically, our response to the alpha state is a deep physical relaxation which comes over us. A daydream's content is driven by the emotionally laden internal dialogue going on within us. Because the mind is fixated, there is nothing to drive any content. In this way, Shamanic Drumming produces a daydream state of alpha without emotional content.--
"To insinuate that people don't know what tripping is all about based on the type of music they like to listen to while altered is ludicrous."
Well, it comes down to priorities when tripping. However, i did not insinuate that at all. I insinuated that this was his first trip and has yet to be acquainted with psychedelic power, and consequently his priority wont be a heavily visionary journey...but rather, just an experimental evening to find out what this mindset has to offer.
"If you really wanted to "maximize" your trip, I think the best way would be tripping in a dark, quiet room."
I feel thats pretty much right too, however, slightly intense for someone who doesnt knwo what to expect. Hence why i suggested the person in question listen to the world around him.
I infact, have been apart of a drumming circle while tripping very hard. It is very immersive, and...probably the most effective way to maximize your headspace. As science suggests.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: PDU]
#1951922 - 09/25/03 05:32 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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"The undertone "drone" produced in Shamanic Drumming stimulates the brain into the theta brain wave state. Though this is characterized as the deep dreaming state, the most relevant response is that the drone opens our spiritual heart, allowing our indwelling presence of being, our Spirit, to rise forth unimpeded.
When these three states of consciousness -- silence, alpha and theta -- occur simultaneously, as in Shamanic Drumming, a phenomenal experience proceeds. The Spirit, rising forth through the now opened heart, is freed to express itself. The Spirit expresses itself through image, symbols, song/chant, tones, colors, sensations and knowingness. Where does the Spirit express itself? In the now empty alpha daydream state. The mind, fixated and silent, cannot help but pay attention to that which is transpiring within the alpha state. We are now able to perceive directly the expressions, or desires, of our Spirit -- that is, we are now able to once again communicate in the Sacred Language of Spirit"
And so you see....
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Harbinger
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Yeah, I like Damnation a whole lot. I really don't know which of their cd's I like best, they all fucking rule, but if I had to choose I would say Still Life and Orchid are my two favorites.
I'm a big fan of In Flames too. I always thought Colony was their best work, but like Opeth they are a band in which I like all of their cd's.
If you like In Flames you should check out Dark Tranquility, if you haven't already heard of them.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: PDU]
#1953338 - 09/26/03 02:32 AM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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I understand where youre coming from but you are wrong to say metal cannot maximise a trip. What a broad, generalized statement. I have many friends who are metalheads that have tripped at Opeth, Dimmu, and pretty soon Bodum (when they come to Atl). I love all music equally and I believe any music the individual digs can help promote visionary experiences. Just because you have had great experiences with electronic music does not mean a person cannot share/understand that feeling by litsening to metal.
Just my 2 cents. No offense.
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dude, anything you like sober, you will like when you are tripping. if you like metal normally, youll enjoy it while on shrooms. period.
i cant wait for dimmu/bodom in philly. im also looking forward to nile/amon amarth/vader in philly real soon.
then in nov. im driving 40 min to north jersey to the nj metal and hardcore fest.
dimmu, nile, bodom, bongzilla, benumb, superjoint ritual, dysrhythmia, cradle of filth, morbid angel, deicide, hate eternal, the red chord, a life once lost, and a bunch more. I CANT WAIT. i think ima gunna eat some shrooms b4 bodom and nile hit the stage.
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Harbinger
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Quote:
joeshitragpicker said: and pretty soon Bodum (when they come to Atl).
I think I might be going to that, it's not to far of a drive from here. I'll be going to see A Perfect Circle on the 13th then Bodom on the 18th.
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Quote:
joeshitragpicker said: I understand where youre coming from but you are wrong to say metal cannot maximise a trip. What a broad, generalized statement. I have many friends who are metalheads that have tripped at Opeth, Dimmu, and pretty soon Bodum (when they come to Atl). I love all music equally and I believe any music the individual digs can help promote visionary experiences. Just because you have had great experiences with electronic music does not mean a person cannot share/understand that feeling by litsening to metal.
Just my 2 cents. No offense.
You obviously never even read my post, seeing as it state'd both that i hate electronic music, and that driving pulsing rhythm trigger's an abscence of emotion and allows one to psychologically litterally get caught up in their mind. You are wrong and science proves this, Metal does not have the repetition of certain sound wave's to *maximize* a trip. It has nothign to do with music preference, it has to do with chemical response.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: PDU]
#1955821 - 09/26/03 09:40 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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To me to claim that a certain type of music is the only music that can maximize a trip is such a sterile and baseless comment. We take these drugs to become more opened minded, I feel it is contrary to everything that we do to make such a comment. The human mind is a very intricate piece of work. Quoting from shaman.net or whatever means absolutely nothing to me. If someone trips harder off of metal, ok fine. If they dont, well then fine. Music is creative. There is not one type of creativity.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: TheCow]
#1962976 - 09/29/03 02:26 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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SIKTH!!! Great british band kinda like the Dillinger escape Plan, on my first trip i watched one of their videos, awesome. They've just got a new album out, I'm not goign to listen to it until the next time I trip.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: PDU]
#1963105 - 09/29/03 03:05 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL I believe in you PDU. I for one love ambient music, for it creates a head space that really is like an inverse way of getting where you would with drums, like a circle with two starting points on opposite ends, either direction I take, leads me to the same place. I have experiemented with both ambient and repetitive drumming. I find that both can take me where I need to be. So in a sense I agree with you, but also the fact that ambient music is anything but repetitive drums kind of discredits that as well. Although ambient music might include such drones ;D. I think I have even heard of some ambient music pumpking out certain frequencies that induce certain brain wave patterns to be produced, so maybe it really is one and the same.
I think what most of you people are missing here, is that PDU isn't saying you cannot enjoy your trip and reach certain areas with other kinds of music, but just that if your looking to get as far out into hyperspace as possible, you might very well need some ambient and/or drumming.
If you go into the drumming or ambient with that idea in mind you might find that "enjoyment of the music" is not a factor, because listening to ambient or drumming isn't really at all like listening to music, it is really like adding another substance to the trip.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: caolite]
#1963138 - 09/29/03 03:15 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thank you Caolite, you got it!
"listening to ambient or drumming isn't really at all like listening to music, it is really like adding another substance to the trip."
Yes! One time, while peaking in a small drum circle....I had no drum, but beat the ground with my hands for hour's. It immerses you so fully in a visceral (rather than strictly mental) experience, that it is a new experience all together, one which is elevated beyond.
As the quote's i cite'd, I felt that my involvement in the precussion, both physically and rhythms cycling in my head...it took away the mental dwelling and magnified emotions/sensations, and *I* was concentrated into a pure energy of experience.
...I assure all, it was much more than *enjoyment* of the *music*, and i got much more from the experience than i would have from typical noise. Subjective? ....i doubt it.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: PDU]
#1963154 - 09/29/03 03:19 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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and i just saw this in OTD
The emphasis in house music and rave culture on physiologically compatible rhythms and this sort of thing is really the rediscovery of the art of natural magic with sound, that sound, properly understood, especially percussive sound, can actually change neurological states - terrence mckenna.
There is lots of evidence to support what i say, its not circumstanstial or anything else..its how the brain works.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: PDU]
#1963964 - 09/29/03 07:56 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since you said you were done with this thread I didn't bother replying, but being you're back I will . I don't think sites dealing with things like shamanism are the best places to pull "scientific" evidence from, and I thought it was common knowledge that mckenna was a nut, every theory (yes, that's all they are) of his I've heard has been unscientific in the extreme. I don't see a quote from him as credible evidence of anything, dude was seriously out there. In addition, I don't see how anyone can claim to know how the mind works anyway, it's fairly obvious we don't have a clue. Perhaps I've been a little tainted by modern science though I suppose . But it seems as if we keep going around in circles without convicing each other, so lets just agree to disagree on this subject eh . Peace DH
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: spores]
#1963976 - 09/29/03 07:59 PM (20 years, 4 months ago) |
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i pulled up that reference because i didnt want to look elsewhere. Ive seen this topic discussed many times in many places, and i believe it is valid, perhaps we dont know exactly how the mind works, but time tested tradition points in the direction that science is leading anyways.
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Re: Children of Bodom [Re: Cracka_X]
#2087052 - 11/09/03 06:31 PM (20 years, 3 months ago) |
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try this man..... no auditory, visual, or physical stimuli to enhance your trip. that in its own is a trip and much more worth it.
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