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FilthyShroomz
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no soak wbs prep
#20861686 - 11/19/14 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I rinsed the shit out of wbs and filled ithe pot with boiling water and let it sit for 15min min and then strain, then pressure cooked, worked fine as if I soaked the wbs for 24 hrs..
I always thought you had to soak over night.
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well holy shit
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: HAL 9000]
#20861706 - 11/19/14 06:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Chances are? Your gonna find you dont have enough moisture in your grains.
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: HAL 9000]
#20861731 - 11/19/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the reasone people soak grains is to grow any bacteria endospores on them out overnight so that they are easier to kill in a pressure cooker later
P.S Screw wbs rye is so much easier to prep
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or just straight milo. never been able to get rye down here but theres a fuckload of milo everywhere. works fancy
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blueskynoise said: Chances are? Your gonna find you dont have enough moisture in your grains.
when i did wbs i never soaked hydrating wbs via boiling water is easy
........But the problem with this method is grains tend to explode during boil and leave a sticky what im guessing is mostly starch on the whole batch which tends to lead to contamination and sticky grains at the least
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: HAL 9000]
#20861812 - 11/19/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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HAL 9000 said: or just straight milo. never been able to get rye down here but theres a fuckload of milo everywhere. works fancy
look for it at a farm supply store i couldn't find it for a while then i found it at a country feed store in a one street town one day 20 bux for 50 pounds which will fill 100's of jars
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you could also just do a soak and skip the boil/simmer. i usually so a 2 day soak and then straight to sterilize
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ya dude can get milo here for 12$ for 50lbS! its local and (non-certified) organic. you literally drive through the fields on ur way to buy it. the only rye comes here in the winter for overseeding lawns 25-30$ for 50lbs but i dont trust that it hasnt been treated by something at some point.
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It sounds like the whole endospores surviving PC'ing idea could be less likely than previously thought.
Was it Pastywhyte that does his WBS the same way as the OP, just a 20 min soak? He did a tek.
Edit: It was Foo
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blueskynoise said: Chances are? Your gonna find you dont have enough moisture in your grains.
when i did wbs i never soaked hydrating wbs via boiling water is easy
........But the problem with this method is grains tend to explode during boil and leave a sticky what im guessing is mostly starch on the whole batch which tends to lead to contamination and sticky grains at the least
Personally, I find the pre soak; soaks the grains enough to prepare them for boiling so that they dont explode during the boiling process. And the boiling process only serves to create the steam for the quick evaporation of moisture from the grain surface, before loading into jars, bags, whatever.
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FilthyShroomz said: So I rinsed the shit out of wbs and filled ithe pot with boiling water and let it sit for 15min min and then strain, then pressure cooked, worked fine as if I soaked the wbs for 24 hrs..
I always thought you had to soak over night.
whatever it takes to get nice plump grains, you just described foo's tek though
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FilthyShroomz
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: deagonx]
#20863766 - 11/20/14 03:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh woops I didn't kno this waa foos tek lol haha.Thanks cronicr
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i do the same thing but instead i pour into a 5 gallon bucket let soak for 30 min. then strap screen with zip ties and drain for 45 min or so then jar and pc
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blueskynoise said:
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punkrocker292004 said:
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blueskynoise said: Chances are? Your gonna find you dont have enough moisture in your grains.
when i did wbs i never soaked hydrating wbs via boiling water is easy
........But the problem with this method is grains tend to explode during boil and leave a sticky what im guessing is mostly starch on the whole batch which tends to lead to contamination and sticky grains at the least
Personally, I find the pre soak; soaks the grains enough to prepare them for boiling so that they dont explode during the boiling process. And the boiling process only serves to create the steam for the quick evaporation of moisture from the grain surface, before loading into jars, bags, whatever.
WBS is just a sticky mess to work with. In a pinch it's a great go to grain medium though. It's just a PITA to prep over rye. You have to tweak the boiling times for it by bringing it to a boil much slower than rye and turn the stove off once you hit boiling with WBS. Takes longer than rye for the surface to become dry too. Rye is the easiest grain, imo/e, to prepare.
Imo/e, boiling the grain makes sure you have better, more even moisture penetration through out all grains.
I don't believe one form of aforementioned grain prep technique deserves merit over the other. It's a matter of personal preference on which grain prep tek best suits your growing situation and environment.
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: hamloaf]
#20864302 - 11/20/14 07:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think in order to claim this a success you need to inoculate and grow out that WBS.
Just because it germinates doesn't mean it won't contam or dry out or etc.
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: taGyo]
#20864351 - 11/20/14 08:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Spores should be germinated on agar before being transferred to sterile grain media, imo, and not necassarly. How do you think professional spawn generators stay in business?
If your grain dries out before full colonization, then you prepped them incorrectly. If contamination arises before full colonization, your inoculm is contaminated, your sterile procedure was incorrect, or the media did not become properly sterilized.
Know your vectors of contamination, and take provisions to block them at every step. It helps to plan your grows out 7 steps ahead.
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: taGyo]
#20864493 - 11/20/14 08:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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taGyo said: I think in order to claim this a success you need to inoculate and grow out that WBS.
Just because it germinates doesn't mean it won't contam or dry out or etc.
maybe like 20+ grows each way with WBS prepared the normal way and WBS prepared this way grown out with as identical conditions as possible with an isolate culture and then measure the BE% between the two as the dependent variable.
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maybe like 20+ grows each way with WBS prepared the normal way and WBS prepared this way grown out with as identical conditions as possible with an isolate culture and then measure the BE% between the two as the dependent variable.
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: taGyo] 2
#20864938 - 11/20/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is just my opinion, but I'm calling it like I see it.
There are really only 1 way people need to prepare WBS:
Soak, drain, PC a la FooMan's tek.
Anything else is a waist of time. Long soak times for endospores and stuff is all myths based on misinterpretations of what's really going on. Soaking and simmering WBS is a notion derived from rye berry prep and is tricky for WBS for many people and is not nearly as easy as FooMan's.
Maybe, and only maybe, FooMan's WBS prep doesn't get the grains as hydrated as other methods. But, ask yourself this: How hydrated does the grain need to be? How much variation in water content in the WBS would it take to make a difference in yields?
I've prepped enough rye and WBS by now to see there is no difference in any of the methods except prep time, effort, and difficulty. You don't have to take my word for it, experiment and judge for yourself.
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I think it depends largely on the volume of grains you are running at once, and how scrupulous of a cultivator you are that are determining factors in which method of grain prep the individual cultivator chooses.
In the end though, I don't believe one form of grain prep deserves merit over the other. Both methods have been tried and true.
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: hamloaf]
#20864994 - 11/20/14 11:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why does the volume of grains matter when deciding whether or not you use FooMan's?
I think a lot of people put their "scrupulousness" in the wrong places and I do think some prep methods deserve more merit over others.
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SpitballJedi said: Why does the volume of grains matter when deciding whether or not you use FooMan's?
I think a lot of people put their "scrupulousness" in the wrong places and I do think some prep methods deserve more merit over others.
Isn't FooMan's tek the one where you fill the jars with grain, a cup of water then straight into the sterilizer? I can't find it. If so, I am not messing with all those jars when I need 60 gallons of sterilized grain spawn every week is how volume matters.
What, and why do you think people put their "scrupulousness" in the wrong places?? Like what grain methods and how do you feel one grain prep method deserve more merit over the other??
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: hamloaf] 1
#20865206 - 11/20/14 12:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FooMan's is where you boil some water, remove from heat, pour in WBS, let soak 20 mins, drain, then PC.
I think some people put too much effort in to grain prep. FooMans method deserves merit over others because it is very efficient. People can certainly do whatever they are comfortable with and merit is very subjective and there are other methods that work fine.
I just think spending time and effort trying to get "perfect" hydration and "germinating" or "hydrating" endospores is are not needed. I think most people would be better off focusing on getting good cultures.
I suspect most people who have an opinion about the best way to prep grains have not tried FooMan's and the reason they soak and simmer is because that's what they were taught to do, they got it down, it works well for them, and so they stick with it. This is just fine. But, it doesn't mean it's just as meritorious as another; it just means that's what people are used to.
Again, if you want to soak and simmer, that's fine, it's not a bad practice, I just think it's a waste of time and effort because there is really no actual point in it. This is still just all my opinion as all merit awards are. But, my opinion is based on experience with multiple methods.
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6T WBS For Bulk Easiest method there is.
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SpitballJedi said: FooMan's is where you boil some water, remove from heat, pour in WBS, let soak 20 mins, drain, then PC.
I think some people put too much effort in to grain prep. FooMans method deserves merit over others because it is very efficient. People can certainly do whatever they are comfortable with and merit is very subjective and there are other methods that work fine.
I just think spending time and effort trying to get "perfect" hydration and "germinating" or "hydrating" endospores is are not needed. I think most people would be better off focusing on getting good cultures.
I suspect most people who have an opinion about the best way to prep grains have not tried FooMan's and the reason they soak and simmer is because that's what they were taught to do, they got it down, it works well for them, and so they stick with it. This is just fine. But, it doesn't mean it's just as meritorious as another; it just means that's what people are used to.
Again, if you want to soak and simmer, that's fine, it's not a bad practice, I just think it's a waste of time and effort because there is really no actual point in it. This is still just all my opinion as all merit awards are. But, my opinion is based on experience with multiple methods.
Well, my opinion is based on several years of experience using many different types of grain and prep methods, as well.
After researching with various types of grain, and grain prep methods I have come to settle on a highly influenced by RR method of prepping grains, and my grains of choice are rye as pure Milo being a close second.
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: hamloaf]
#20865475 - 11/20/14 01:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used to do RR based rye prep too. It used to be the core of my method; I even did a whole write-up based on it: How I do Rye Berry Prep.
I go back and forth between rye and WBS. They both have their pros and cons. But, even when I use rye, I now use a FooMan based prep: Quick Rye
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SpitballJedi said: But, even when I use rye, I now use a FooMan based prep: Quick Rye

I do almost the exact same thing
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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: HAL 9000]
#20865760 - 11/20/14 02:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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what about the jelly parts? did you removed them?
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Serious question...
Only PC for 1 hour??? Not 90 min?
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