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no soak wbs prep
    #20861686 - 11/19/14 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So I rinsed the shit out of wbs and filled ithe pot with boiling water and let it sit for 15min min and then strain, then pressure cooked, worked fine as if I soaked the wbs for 24 hrs..

I always thought you had to soak over night.


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20861696 - 11/19/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well holy shit


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: HAL 9000]
    #20861706 - 11/19/14 06:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Chances are? Your gonna find you dont have enough moisture in your grains.


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: HAL 9000]
    #20861731 - 11/19/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the reasone people soak grains is to grow any bacteria endospores on them out overnight so that they are easier to kill in a pressure cooker later


P.S Screw wbs rye is so much easier to prep


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #20861755 - 11/19/14 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

or just straight milo. never been able to get rye down here but theres a fuckload of milo everywhere. works fancy:thumbup:


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #20861788 - 11/19/14 06:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Chances are? Your gonna find you dont have enough moisture in your grains.




when i did wbs i never soaked hydrating wbs via boiling water is easy

........But the problem with this method is grains tend to explode during boil and leave a sticky what im guessing is mostly starch on the whole batch which tends to lead to contamination and sticky grains at the least


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: HAL 9000]
    #20861812 - 11/19/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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or just straight milo. never been able to get rye down here but theres a fuckload of milo everywhere. works fancy:thumbup:




look for it at a farm supply store i couldn't find it for a while then i found it at a country feed store in a one street town one day 20 bux for 50 pounds which will fill 100's of jars


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #20861819 - 11/19/14 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

you could also just do a soak and skip the boil/simmer. i usually so a 2 day soak and then straight to sterilize


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #20861831 - 11/19/14 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ya dude can get milo here for 12$ for 50lbS! its local and (non-certified) organic. you literally drive through the fields on ur way to buy it. the only rye comes here in the winter for overseeding lawns 25-30$ for 50lbs but i dont trust that it hasnt been treated by something at some point.


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #20861876 - 11/19/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It sounds like the whole endospores surviving PC'ing idea could be less likely than previously thought.

Was it Pastywhyte that does his WBS the same way as the OP, just a 20 min soak? He did a tek.

Edit: It was Foo :smile:


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: punkrocker292004] * 1
    #20861878 - 11/19/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Chances are? Your gonna find you dont have enough moisture in your grains.




when i did wbs i never soaked hydrating wbs via boiling water is easy

........But the problem with this method is grains tend to explode during boil and leave a sticky what im guessing is mostly starch on the whole batch which tends to lead to contamination and sticky grains at the least




Personally, I find the pre soak; soaks the grains enough to prepare them for boiling so that they dont explode during the boiling process. And the boiling process only serves to create the steam for the quick evaporation of moisture from the grain surface, before loading into jars, bags, whatever.


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: FilthyShroomz] * 1
    #20861910 - 11/19/14 07:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So I rinsed the shit out of wbs and filled ithe pot with boiling water and let it sit for 15min min and then strain, then pressure cooked, worked fine as if I soaked the wbs for 24 hrs..

I always thought you had to soak over night.



whatever it takes to get nice plump grains, you just described foo's tek though


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: blueskynoise]
    #20861915 - 11/19/14 07:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: deagonx]
    #20863766 - 11/20/14 03:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh woops I didn't kno this waa foos tek lol haha.Thanks cronicr


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: FilthyShroomz]
    #20863995 - 11/20/14 05:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i do the same thing but instead  i pour into a 5 gallon bucket let soak for 30 min. then strap screen with zip ties and drain for 45 min or so then jar and pc

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8508523


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: blueskynoise] * 1
    #20864155 - 11/20/14 06:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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blueskynoise said:
Chances are? Your gonna find you dont have enough moisture in your grains.




when i did wbs i never soaked hydrating wbs via boiling water is easy

........But the problem with this method is grains tend to explode during boil and leave a sticky what im guessing is mostly starch on the whole batch which tends to lead to contamination and sticky grains at the least




Personally, I find the pre soak; soaks the grains enough to prepare them for boiling so that they dont explode during the boiling process. And the boiling process only serves to create the steam for the quick evaporation of moisture from the grain surface, before loading into jars, bags, whatever.



WBS is just a sticky mess to work with.  In a pinch it's a great go to grain medium though.  It's just a PITA to prep over rye.  You have to tweak the boiling times for it by bringing it to a boil much slower than rye and turn the stove off once you hit boiling with WBS.  Takes longer than rye for the surface to become dry too.  Rye is the easiest grain, imo/e, to prepare. 

Imo/e, boiling the grain makes sure you have better, more even moisture penetration through out all grains.

I don't believe one form of aforementioned grain prep technique deserves merit over the other.  It's a matter of personal preference on which grain prep tek best suits your growing situation and environment.

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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: hamloaf]
    #20864302 - 11/20/14 07:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think in order to claim this a success you need to inoculate and grow out that WBS.

Just because it germinates doesn't mean it won't contam or dry out or etc.


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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: taGyo]
    #20864351 - 11/20/14 08:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Spores should be germinated on agar before being transferred to sterile grain media, imo, and not necassarly.  How do you think professional spawn generators stay in business? 

If your grain dries out before full colonization, then you prepped them incorrectly.  If contamination arises before full colonization, your inoculm is contaminated, your sterile procedure was incorrect, or the media did not become properly sterilized.

Know your vectors of contamination, and take provisions to block them at every step.  It helps to plan your grows out 7 steps ahead.

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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: taGyo]
    #20864493 - 11/20/14 08:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I think in order to claim this a success you need to inoculate and grow out that WBS.

Just because it germinates doesn't mean it won't contam or dry out or etc.




maybe like 20+ grows each way with WBS prepared the normal way and WBS prepared this way grown out with as identical conditions as possible with an isolate culture and then measure the BE% between the two as the dependent variable.

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Re: no soak wbs prep [Re: bodhisatta]
    #20864849 - 11/20/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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maybe like 20+ grows each way with WBS prepared the normal way and WBS prepared this way grown out with as identical conditions as possible with an isolate culture and then measure the BE% between the two as the dependent variable.



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