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djbabyjesus


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The cure for azurescens paralysis 4
#20849882 - 11/17/14 10:36 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Paralysis
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: djbabyjesus]
#20849927 - 11/17/14 10:49 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting theory.
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: djbabyjesus] 3
#20849933 - 11/17/14 10:52 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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It'd be cool to see if sugar pills work as well.
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: o8u]
#20850161 - 11/17/14 11:51 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I also tried taking antibiotics thinking it would help but it didn't. The anti-histamines worked wonders on the paralysis. It's wasn't until after I realized that anti-histamines worked that I researched and found the information about Histidine. My experiences with treating people stricken with azure/cyan paralysis with anti-histamines led me to this conclusion.
I hope this information helps others as it did me.
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: djbabyjesus]
#20850257 - 11/17/14 12:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting - could it perhaps be that histamines are released from mast cells as a result of an allergic reaction to the mushroom tissue itself?
I am reading about histamines that they make, among other things, certain muscles to contract, and also certain veins to expand thus lowering blood pressure in certain body parts.
I haven't tried any wood loving Psilocybe myself, but from reading reports on here I have the impression that paralysis doesn't always occur with the ingestion of these mushrooms, and it seems only certain people experience it.
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: Anglerfish]
#20850362 - 11/17/14 12:42 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: Bubbles85]
#20850845 - 11/17/14 02:21 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was planning on making a thread about this to see what the current consensus is...
What has been everyones' collective experience as far as simply making a tea to avoid these effects? A few years ago, that was the working theory to avoid such an experience.
I've never bothered to try, being as how my experience with this negative aspect of dosing with Azures is usually limited to the next day, and not while tripping, nor does it occur every time I dose Azures. But when it does happen, sometimes it can be quite the burden...
I've never actually lost all function of my legs and arms, but pretty damn close. One time walking to the bathroom was a massive struggle, I probably looked like I had cerebral palsy... and once I did make it to the bathroom, I couldn't even raise my arms more than a few inches, and my legs were trembling, barely holding my weight. My vision was blurred, and when I looked in the mirror, I was literally slightly cross-eyed with one pupil still heavily dilated and the other in a normal state (lol).
Quite interesting about the anti-histamine... but, what's the current word on simply making a tea to cook out the bad, paralysis-inducing stuff?
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: Oregonic] 1
#20851041 - 11/17/14 02:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never even heard of this
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: domesticgnome]
#20851185 - 11/17/14 03:16 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just want to say thank you for sharing this information. I haven't had experience with this personally but it sounds horrible and if you've discovered something that might benefit someone out there then you deserve a pat on the back. It's definitely an interesting theory and seems like it holds water
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: Oregonic]
#20851226 - 11/17/14 03:23 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is very interesting. I have never heard of such a phenomenon. Does this "only" occur from ingesting Psilocybe cyanescens and thier closely related sibling species such as azures and allenii; or, has this been known to occur with other psilocybe species aswell? I would think that botulism is not a likely suspect as from what I understand this needs an anaerobic (oxygen free) environment to grow. Preserving mushrooms in oil for example could cause this.
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: Wolfred]
#20851284 - 11/17/14 03:32 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wolfred said: This is very interesting. I have never heard of such a phenomenon.
It has been brought up from time to time. Mainly concerning wood loving species like P. cyanescens, P. azurescens and P. subaeruginosa.
I personally think it could be something inherent in the mushroom tissue - like some chemical unrelated to the psychoactivity. I remember it has also been speculations regarding possible chemicals added to the wood chip substrate.
It's impossible to make any conclusions on such a basis, though. Too few facts on the matter. I think someone with the skills and knowledge should step up and pave the way. Thumbs up for OP trying!
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: Anglerfish]
#20851501 - 11/17/14 04:12 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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It has happened once to my roommate and I on our first cyan trip. I found a feral patch (what I consider feral) in a conifer forest under ferns amongst twigs and cones. We ate them fresh, half a plate full each.
We both were paralyzed at different points in the night. We both agreed it wasn't that we couldn't move our muscles but more along the lines of our brain not being able to send the signals to our limbs. We still both felt sensations on the skin such as jeans up against your leg etc. which wouldn't mean we were paralyzed right?
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: nomadbrad]
#20851661 - 11/17/14 04:47 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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nomadbrad said: more along the lines of our brain not being able to send the signals to our limbs. We still both felt sensations on the skin such as jeans up against your leg etc. which wouldn't mean we were paralyzed right?
This sounds more along the lines of body load, imo.
From what I remember reading, the wood lover paralysis is muscular.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: nomadbrad]
#20851758 - 11/17/14 05:04 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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nomadbrad said: but more along the lines of our brain not being able to send the signals to our limbs.
This.....
I ate cyans last winter while sitting at a drum kit. As the buzz continued to get more intense, it got harder and harder and harder to start playing drums. However, once I somehow got that signal to process, I could fluidly keep a beat. The second I stopped playing it was a huge ordeal to begin again. My limbs were incredibly lazy/slothed right the fuck out and it was hard to instigate any behavior.
One of the other trippers just laid on the floor the whole time.
Another time I had taken a smaller dose of the same batch, and went for a walk, and decided after about 5 minutes that I was too lazy, and not moving sounded really good so I returned to an area with couches. I actually felt a very deep connection to my skeleton and muscles at this point and laid in a bed, really getting the most out of a good stretching session.
I by no means was paralyzed either of these times, but there was no outdoor adventuring or nature walking going to be happening, that's for sure.
I found that my body felt great and I felt very in tune, intelligent, lucid, and overall awesome. I was also very lazy with my body. The word zoomers doesn't seem to apply in this case for me.
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: Roger Wilco]
#20852123 - 11/17/14 06:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have eaten azzies fresh, dried, in tea, and in chocolates. Small amounts and large amounts. I have never experienced the paralysis some have. I've noticed the friends I talked to that have experienced it seem to have it happen to them often, and there are those of us that just flat out never experience it. I honestly think it's due to personal chemistry or it may even be psychosomatic.
Botulism just doesn't fit. If it was botulism people would be dying a lot more often and would most likely need antibiotics to help recover.
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: Mr Piggy]
#20852848 - 11/17/14 08:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool theory, I hope others are able to test it and get relief from the paralysis. I have never experienced it myself, but I also don't dose very high anymore.
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: Oregonic]
#20852896 - 11/17/14 08:38 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Making tea will kill the bacteria however, the Histamine is not destroyed by boiling water. (edit: it actually is also soluble in water)
How to destroy histamine? Now that something I don't have an answer to...yet. Right now I am experimenting with vodka and citric acid in the freezer. I'll will report back when it's finished.
Edited by djbabyjesus (11/18/14 02:18 AM)
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: djbabyjesus]
#20853173 - 11/17/14 09:19 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Interesting stuff!
Ive had similar "poisoning" with wild PNW cyans. But its different. No muscle paralysis. Its just a "rough" come-up. Sickening. Sometimes pains in the heart. Scary stuff. Not sure what it is. Something in the wood?
Since other users who eat Azures say they dont get this paralysis, maybe its just the substrate and not the species? Any outdoor Azure cultivators?
Actually, there is one user I know who grows Azures outdoors, let me PM him...
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: Anglerfish]
#20853333 - 11/17/14 09:49 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Interesting - could it perhaps be that histamines are released from mast cells as a result of an allergic reaction to the mushroom tissue itself?
Ahhh, you really had me questioning my post for a minute there... Brilliant really... This could be true, for some people. If you are allergic to mushrooms you could absolutely have this kind of response. However, I'm going to stick to my guns on this one because I for one, am not allergic to mushrooms. I do have seasonal allergies though. Really bad seasonal allergies. Infact, I asked the five 'test subjects' if they experience seasonal allergies and they all responded with 'yes, but usually only in the spring and summer'.
Another way of saying it is that these people likely have a histamine intolerance. Mushrooms are found in places that are breeding grounds for histamine(grassy fields, coastal graveyards;). According to the internet, people with histamine intolerance are lacking the necessary enzymes to break down large amounts of histamine. "DAO enzyme" is credited with having the power to win the battle against histamine. I will do further testing and report back.
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Re: The Cure For Azurescens Paralysis... [Re: djbabyjesus]
#20853552 - 11/17/14 10:36 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whats up. Ive had the paralysis a few diffrent times and when i think about it i always think about my legs being blown off in a war. I never hurts or its never freaked me out. It's a "trip" thats for sure. One time i remember it taking 4 hours to crawl 2 blocks to my down town apartment. Crossing the street was quite a challenge. In my experience it happened when i did 4 plus grams (azure/cyan). Now days i do 3.5 and haven't had that issue for several years. Imo i think its a dose/potency thing. That shits potent.
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