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hawtdawglawl
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so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....?
#20582852 - 09/18/14 09:16 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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in a definate caerulescens habitat... but what are these?
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: hawtdawglawl] 1
#20582857 - 09/18/14 09:19 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those are some fat boy Psilocybe caerulescens
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: doctorghosty]
#20582885 - 09/18/14 09:26 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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you did it again! woop woop
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: doctorghosty]
#20582900 - 09/18/14 09:30 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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i also found a bunch of these big ass things... i think theres some kind of seeds in em... about to crack it open.. any ideas? 
yeah man i was thinking these might be what i was hoping taking a spore print now.
The previous caerulescens I posted were a source of some internal debate, and they're still sitting dried in a jar... The lack of bruising concerned me. I think I may be misunderstanding the what bruising actually is. For instance the inside stipes of these are very whitish and they stay that way, aswell as the spot where the stipe connects to the cap. Although I definatly see what I think is bruising on the outter dermis of the stipe, and cap. Does bruising only occur on these outter layers, and not the inner flesh?
Also referencing my previous find, there is something different in comparison to these gills. There seemed to be a segment that surrounded the stipe that was somewhat seperate from the rest of the gills. When I removed the cap, that portion of gills remained uniformly attached to the stipe. These don't seem to have that, but they also would appear much younger, as they still have somewhat of a bellshape, rather than a concave shape like an umbrella in a hurricane :p So is this difference in gills reletive to age, or something else?
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: hawtdawglawl]
#20582911 - 09/18/14 09:35 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Blue bruising is highly variable due to specimen water saturation, as said before, as well as the weather conditions and elements in which the mushrooms grew. It can occur almost anywhere on a mushroom in prime condition or almost nowhere, as you have seen, on the mushroom if they are waterlogged.
That gill difference is solely due to the age/maturity of specimen.
That green ball is likely some kind of seed pod (or maybe even an insect gall of some variety).
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: hawtdawglawl]
#20582917 - 09/18/14 09:35 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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hedge apples, also known as osage orange. The wood of the trees they come from make excellent bows.
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: canid]
#20582975 - 09/18/14 09:57 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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heh ya i just looked em up... weird
they contain flavonols which according to wiki "Flavonoids have effects on CYP (P450) activity. Flavonols are inhibitor of CYP2C9 [3] and CYP3A4,[1] which are enzymes that metabolize most drugs in the body."
what does that mean.... should i eat my apple, and my mushies together?????????????
probably not
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: hawtdawglawl]
#20582978 - 09/18/14 09:58 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hot damn! How many years have you been at it? (Caerulescens)
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: hawtdawglawl]
#20582984 - 09/18/14 10:01 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I'm not mistaken, we used to play backyard war with those things. They were canon balls and the pine cones were grenades. Hurt like hell but not as bad as a green pine cone!
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: hawtdawglawl]
#20582988 - 09/18/14 10:02 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
hawtdawglawl said: heh ya i just looked em up... weird
they contain flavonols which according to wiki "Flavonoids have effects on CYP (P450) activity. Flavonols are inhibitor of CYP2C9 [3] and CYP3A4,[1] which are enzymes that metabolize most drugs in the body."
what does that mean.... should i eat my apple, and my mushies together?????????????
probably not
I never looked into it but was always told they were toxic. I would certainly not go assuming that any bioactive compound would arbitrarily be psychoactive or safe.
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: hickory_nut]
#20583004 - 09/18/14 10:07 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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this is my first season actually looking for them lol
i guess i live in the land of plenty?
although i've gone out like every other day after rain for up to a week before losing hope. which i guess is pretty frequent, and i've only found 2 patches.. but then i hear people going years and not finding anything.
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: canid]
#20583012 - 09/18/14 10:09 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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ya i was joking lol.. besides i'm sure they contain alot more than just 1 compound. really just curious about it though, after a bit more reading it seems to be commonly found in other fruits and vegetables that are edible.
just thought it was funny it said it helped metabolize 'drugs' lol
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: hawtdawglawl]
#20583033 - 09/18/14 10:15 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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And then there's some folks who have only been hunting for a month or two and are already whining and complaining. I tell ya that grinds me gears But for real, whatever you are doing keep it up because you doin it right! Congrats. I'm at the point now where I just want to smell one. I dont even have to pick it or touch it. Just a brief whiff would do my mind's health magnitudes of good haha.
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: hawtdawglawl]
#20586961 - 09/19/14 05:27 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dont eat that "Apple" the chemicals in it do that same kind of thing that the chemicals in tramadol doo and if you take psychedelics with it you can easy have seizures and die
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: stunzii]
#20808711 - 11/08/14 04:47 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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stunzii said: Dont eat that "Apple" the chemicals in it do that same kind of thing that the chemicals in tramadol doo and if you take psychedelics with it you can easy have seizures and die
This is incredibly bad advice.
The weird green thing, the "apple" the previous poster is holding is rightly identified by previous respondants as a "hedge apple", or "monkeyball", the fruit of the Osage-orange tree. As hawtdawglawl rightly notes, it contains flavonoids. And yes, flavonoids such as flavonols do act as inhibitors to drug metabolization.
So, IN THEORY, flavonoids do affect the duration of a drug on the system. But the specific effect on which drug by which flavonol is entirely beyond knowledge without specific study. The general theory is that flavonols can extend the effect of a drug in singular instances, but extended intake of flavonols can dampen a drug's effectiveness over time. You don't get something for nothing, and you never will.
But, eating a 'hedge apple' will NOT do this: "you can easy have seizures and die"
Instead, eating a hedge apple may save your life. Just don't eat it all at once. They are not yummy.
The Osage-orange fruit is so-named because in it's natural home range of Texas/Arkansas, it does turn orange before it drops off the tree. In norther climes, it only gets to bright green before a frost causes it to drop. No matter, because it still contains the highest amount of cancer-fighting flavonols of any plant known in the world. I'm not exaggerating there. It really is the Tree Of Life.
Soybeans contain a healthy 0.1% flavonoids, and researchers have been isolating them to try and figger out why they fight cancer. One percent is 1 in 100, so 0.1% is one in a thousand. Even so, tofu is good for you, right?
The Osage-orange fruit contains up to 10% of at least six flavonoids, primarily pomiferin and osajin. So this thing has 100 times the anti-oxidant power as soy. Recent media hype has identified grape skins, peanuts, dark chocolate and red wine as dietary cancer-fighters because of their flavonol content. The "hedge apple" has ten times the anti-oxidants of any of those.
What's the catch? It tastes like nasty. It's really bitter and eating a lot of it will make you puke because of the harsh fiber of the fruit. It is totally non toxic, you can even eat the bark and leaves of the Osage-orange tree. The fruit is not as bad, some people liken it to cucumber when fresh. But I would not call it delicious.
For the concerns of this messageboard, eating Osage-orange may be an interesting corollary to the ingestion of the on-topic fungus, and a decent theory is that an interplay develops: between the blocking of drug-metabolization by the flavonoids, and the natural fungicidal properties of Osage-orange.
My idea of a scientific trial would be to isolate two equal doses of the same crop of fungus. Take one and note the effects. Two days later, eat 2 grams of Osage-orange fruit with the seeds. Repeat on the next day. Repeat on the fourth day, and concurrently take the second dose of the fungus. Note the effects.
Would be interested in reports of anyone testing this regimen. I predict that the second "trip" will be longer and more vivid, but we really don't know without testing, do we?
In any case, eating the "hedge apple" will not do you any harm, just don't eat a lot of it all at once, and you won't have seizures and you won't have death, and if you decide to eat a little bit of it regularly, even dried, then you stand a better chance of never getting cancer or Alzheimers or Parkinsons.
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: reggie2]
#20808808 - 11/08/14 05:49 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your theoretical trials should be spaced at least a week to ten days apart.
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Re: so i was looking caerulescens/weilli and i found these.....? [Re: doctorghosty]
#20820681 - 11/10/14 07:34 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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essentially then any flavonol containing substance could boost or after some time, diminish the effects of certain substances as long as they are the corollary flavonoid and substance? is there a list of what flavanoids are in certain things such as tea, wine, or dark chocolates? or is there any list that shows which ones interact with what substances? i'll be checking into it... and mayb making a new thread on this topic. as a frequent consumer of tea, and wine, i'm wondering if they may be prohibiting some of the effects of the substances i imbibe.
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