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Eastern Religions VIII: Warring State Thinkers: Mozi
    #2081259 - 11/07/03 04:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)



Mozi was the first critic of Confucius, around 479BCE he lived.
His texts were organized by his disciples after his death.

Central Concepts:

"Honoring the Worthy"
-Reward people with material things for actions
-Mozi is a materialistic consequentialist
-Something is good if and only if it:
1)Increases Wealth
2)Increases Population
3)Increases order of the state

"Identifying with your superior"
-people have different conceptions of yi or "rightness"
-Do what person above you does in your working/social heirarchy to solve this problem
-The person at the top gets the instructions from Heaven, and if it works all the way down, order will be preserved
-Idea of an external code of behavior

jian ai "Impartial Caring"
-thinks reason that rulers are corrupt is because of partiality.
-The only way to resolve this is to have impartial caring
-Dont favor your family
-everyone gets equal "care" (material sense)
-everyone gets what they deserve impartially

-Wu-wei does not exist for Mozi, because he doenst care how you feel or think, he just wants you to obey

So how does Mozi encourage people?
1)Best people
-Best people get logical arguments that are rather airtight. He will convince you why you should be impartial .
2)Middle people
-Rewards and emulation drive these people. You see others with nice things, you want them, so you emulate their behavior.
3)Low people

Mozi believes that humans are rational calculatiors, and that we want material things. By nature we are selfish, but the mind can overpower it (logic, rewards)

Mozi is against ritual, thinks it is wasteful
Mozi is againt music, it doesnt increase wealth, population, or order
Mozi is against funerals, he thinks it is wasteful and unproductive to mourn for days on end

Remember that he is living in a time of starvation and strife, so music isnt exactly on the top of his list of things to be concerned with financially.

Mozi does believe, however, that what he wants (like confucius) was passed down by the ancients.

So that's mozi in a nutshell, next up is Laozi, the first of the "daoist" thinkers.

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"Human suffering has been caused because all too many of us cannot grasp that words are only tools for our use, and that the mere presence of a word in the dictionary does not mean it necessarily refers to something definitive in the real world"
--Richard Dawkins, "The Selfish Gene"

"It is the mind which creates the world about us, and even though we stand side by side in the same meadow, my eyes will never see what is beheld by yours."
-George Gissing

"Without a firm idea of himself and the purpose of his life, man cannot live, and would sooner destroy himself than remain on earth, even if he was surrounded by bread."
--Fyodor Dostoevsky

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Re: Eastern Religions VIII: Warring State Thinkers: Mozi [Re: Kremlin]
    #2081293 - 11/07/03 04:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

So, Mozi is a Neo-Conservative?


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