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Novel Philosophies
#20803711 - 11/06/14 09:36 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you think we will see any sort of novel significant philosophical idea or concept emerge in the future?
Or do you think we are "maxed" out?
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: hTx]
#20803755 - 11/06/14 09:46 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20799581/gonew/1#UNREAD
apparently if you buy all this guy's novels you'll find universal telegony
pretty 'novel', amirite?
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: hTx]
#20803773 - 11/06/14 09:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maxed out. Crazies will still be crazy, but everything that's of substance I think has been revealed.
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: hTx]
#20803777 - 11/06/14 09:52 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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hTx said: Do you think we will see any sort of novel significant philosophical idea or concept emerge in the future?
Or do you think we are "maxed" out?
IMO you can't go beyond the awareness of DA. We hit the bottom of the rabbit hole with that one. It's a done deal imo/
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haha well not really the kind of novel i was referring too, more like paradigm-changing ideas of which we have no clue.
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: cez]
#20803794 - 11/06/14 09:55 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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cez said: Maxed out. Crazies will still be crazy, but everything that's of substance I think has been revealed.
I don't think so...
I think it takes a little more creativity and an expanded perception nowadays but I think it can be done.
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: hTx]
#20803824 - 11/06/14 10:01 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Assuming humanity could live forever, I think potentially there could be a limitless number of paradigm shifts. What would prevent it?
Although I find that to be a woefully faulty assumption. The consequent is still valid, though, hypothetically.
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CosmicJoke said: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20799581/gonew/1#UNREAD
apparently if you buy all this guy's novels you'll find universal telegony
pretty 'novel', amirite?
although telegony is pretty interesting, and i can't believe they found evidence of it in a species of fly that is rather surprising.
I suppose if more evidence arises it could lead to some novel ideas surrounding evolution or support for some ideas which came about after darwin but are dismissed due to a lack of sufficient evidence to sway scientific opinion away from utter Darwinism.
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: hTx]
#20803832 - 11/06/14 10:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel the subtlest laws of the universe have been understood by many people throughout time.
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: hTx]
#20803834 - 11/06/14 10:03 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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maybe new concepts will be coming out with ethics or something as the times change
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DividedQuantum said: Assuming humanity could live forever, I think potentially there could be a limitless number of paradigm shifts. What would prevent it?
Although I find that to be a woefully faulty assumption. The consequent is still valid, though, hypothetically.
I suppose the prevention of novel philosophy would be the stumbling upon of objectivity.
But where does it all end? How do we pinpoint objectivity?
Gödel's theorem shows that, in theories that include a small portion of number theory, a complete and consistent finite list of axioms can never be created, nor even an infinite list that can be enumerated by a computer program. Each time a new statement is added as an axiom, there are other true statements that still cannot be proved, even with the new axiom. If an axiom is ever added that makes the system complete, it does so at the cost of making the system inconsistent.
So we can't ever really truly describe a complete system or introduce one without inducing inconsistency.
I think this means there will always exist a novel paradigm ahead of the one before it, in the pursuit and 'keeping up with' truth or objectivity.
And if objectivity is an emergent thing, then we would perhaps see a limitless number of paradigm shifts..even in the evolution of society in directions not yet seen, novel philosophies to accommodate and explain the times would exist granted a thinking, expressing percentage of the human population continues to exist.
There could already exist a number of concepts which would be completely novel relative to an ignorant population that are inexperienced with them that are already battling for notoriety, and yet will not be widely known nor accepted for at least one or two generations.
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LittleDaddy said: I feel the subtlest laws of the universe have been understood by many people throughout time.
I feel this as well.
And thats what gets me..
I believe on some level, there must exist a novelty of knowledge gained and applied in the universe.
But that also, on some level, there are universal truths and objectively useful concepts which have been subtly touched on throughout history, and perhaps even reached, but has been tainted through dissonance in time and relating to others whom would be expected to have subjective opinions and misunderstandings surrounding any sort of truth-realization.
So a novel philosophy, I'd imagine, would be a corrective statement towards misunderstandings, in perhaps creative and not yet seen ways based on novel information/empirical evidence.
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: hTx]
#20803933 - 11/06/14 10:28 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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So would we be rediscovering the truth?
Or discovering a new truth?
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: hTx]
#20803945 - 11/06/14 10:30 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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cez said: Maxed out. Crazies will still be crazy, but everything that's of substance I think has been revealed.
I don't think so...
I think it takes a little more creativity and an expanded perception nowadays but I think it can be done.
What can be expanded upon though? The concept "know thyself" has been around for ages and most all philosophy seems to me to be different ways of saying that.
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: cez]
#20803970 - 11/06/14 10:36 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe a philosophy of "forget thyself" may emerge.
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: cez]
#20803973 - 11/06/14 10:37 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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That being said, Gurdjieff's philosophy still seems out of this world to me from the account of P.D. Ouspensky regarding the text, In Search Of The Miraculous.
I haven't pursued much Gurdjieff past that book and Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson but if Ouspensky is recounting to the best of his knowledge, the conception of that philosophy and the difficulty in finding holes in it is
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: cez]
#20804001 - 11/06/14 10:44 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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cez said: Maxed out. Crazies will still be crazy, but everything that's of substance I think has been revealed.
I don't think so...
I think it takes a little more creativity and an expanded perception nowadays but I think it can be done.
What can be expanded upon though? The concept "know thyself" has been around for ages and most all philosophy seems to me to be different ways of saying that.
also some of the open questions of reality and what it is and why it is in relation to human consciousness are still to be expanded upon, greatly.
I think it will take novel questions into this inquiry of reality to bring novel answers, but I think this too can be done.
I cede no limit to human understanding nor stupidity --mostly meaning I don't think we are anywhere close to truly understanding the human condition, but that there is a progression of ideas that get approximately closer with each succession... and that perhaps if ever we stumble upon true understanding and explanation of the universe -- that this will lead even further into novel territory.
New unknowns.
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Re: Novel Philosophies [Re: hTx]
#20804983 - 11/07/14 09:12 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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hTx said: perhaps if ever we stumble upon true understanding and explanation of the universe -- that this will lead even further into novel territory.
New unknowns.
I see no reason why there has to be any limit. Let's say humans become as gods, and have reached the endpoint of objective understanding -- the infamous "Theory of Everything." (I do not think this is possible). Anyway, assuming it was -- what's to stop us from creating a whole new level of reality, from creating any number of novel, potentially infinite domains? The only potential limit I see on all of this is if existence might ultimately be finite, and we run up against a wall. But much evidence points to its being infinite, and if that is the case, I see no endpoint to what may be possible.
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I wouldn't doubt there will be a new way of interpreting the subtle laws of the universe - we're long overdue. But I feel it is highly likely that it will become perverted overtime like all others. Maybe there already is one out there, but I wonder how many people would listen nowadays.
Ethics will always change and develop. We have plenty of work to take care of with white privilege.
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