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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Shroomism]
    #20798885 - 11/05/14 10:43 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Are you fucking me dude? This mom was too god damn scared of her own kid because he is mentally ill and violent to the point she has to call the cops to DRAG HIM to a mental hospital.

Why couldn't she do it? Because her son was violent and he has a history of violence.

Man, you sure do shit talk cops and act like every one of them are the same. You act so fucking hard on somebody just doing their job. You'd probably fucking shoot him too when he attacked you. You think the mom is telling the whole story? You think she wasn't afraid of her own kid?


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Shroomism]
    #20798890 - 11/05/14 10:45 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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The kid was unarmed. He had no justification for lethal force, none whatsoever.






sorry, what went on in that bathroom again?


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20798979 - 11/05/14 11:01 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Something probably happened in the bathroom....but come on, that cop was probably too trigger-happy.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: TheMule73]
    #20798985 - 11/05/14 11:02 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Something probably happened in the bathroom....





what do you suspect could have happened?


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20799005 - 11/05/14 11:05 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

It isn't the polices job to escort a mentally deranged man repeatedly to the mental ward. If his mother thought he wasn't a threat then why didn't she take him herself?

I find it weird people are blaming the cop instead of asking why the mother expected a delivery service of her son instead of her taking him.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20799043 - 11/05/14 11:11 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Something probably happened in the bathroom....





what do you suspect could have happened?




Like you said, the kid very likely could have grabbed a razor or something of that sort. But in a confined space like a bathroom, a cop should be able to take down a person, sure maybe he would have been cut a bit but no way enough to seriously harm him. He has a tazer, maybe some pepper spray on him, and supposedly adequate training.

Unless the kid had brought an actual knife with him which was in his pants or something, I just can't see how a cop can't bring him down without using deadly force.


and who cares why the mother didn't take her son himself. The fact is a police offer showed up. Without the guy having a gun, the cop should be good enough at his job to take down the subject without deadly force (especially going into the situation KNOWING the subject was mentally ill).


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: TheMule73]
    #20799090 - 11/05/14 11:22 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Are you saying that if you were a cop, you would all of the sudden become a fighting master and that if a grown man started to attack you in a confined space you could keep your calm and wits about you, you could take him down no problem without hurting him or having yourself injured?

It seems like he tazed the guy after he attacked him and it still did not bring the guy down. Do you really think pepper spray is going to stop a mentally ill man in a confined space in a rage?

Have you seen videos of people being pepper sprayed who are violent? Did it stop them? A lot of the times it doesn't stop them.

You are assuming he didn't use alternatives first and it sounds like he sure did.

It is NOT the responsibility of the cops to deal with mentally deranged people. If they get violent, they are treated the same way as anyone else and in fact they should be even more cautious with them. If the mentally ill man would not listen to his mom, do you think he was going to comply with the officer? No.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Uzziel]
    #20799126 - 11/05/14 11:32 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Uzziel said:
Are you saying that if you were a cop, you would all of the sudden become a fighting master and that if a grown man started to attack you in a confined space you could keep your calm and wits about you, you could take him down no problem without hurting him or having yourself injured?

It seems like he tazed the guy after he attacked him and it still did not bring the guy down. Do you really think pepper spray is going to stop a mentally ill man in a confined space in a rage?

Have you seen videos of people being pepper sprayed who are violent? Did it stop them? A lot of the times it doesn't stop them.

You are assuming he didn't use alternatives first and it sounds like he sure did.

It is NOT the responsibility of the cops to deal with mentally deranged people. If they get violent, they are treated the same way as anyone else and in fact they should be even more cautious with them. If the mentally ill man would not listen to his mom, do you think he was going to comply with the officer? No.




I've actually had to restrain and work with violent mentally ill people, and although it can be dangerous and quite a handful there was never any acceptable reason to harm the person being dealt with. I agree the officer should never of been there, but he also should never have approached the situation alone and short of him having his life directly in danger (the man arming himself with a knife and attempting to use it for instance) should never have used lethal force on a mentally unwell man.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: PureMadness]
    #20799154 - 11/05/14 11:38 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this cop didn't do something wrong. He probably did. The matter of the fact is, is that there is far too little evidence for us to go on and the families testimony is pretty shaky.

I don't know proper protocol for police men on dealing with mentally ill whether or not they call for back up, but you don't call the police unless it's serious.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Uzziel]
    #20799174 - 11/05/14 11:45 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, cops should just kill everyone and are ALWAYS justified for it. I get down on cops because they kill innocent people ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
My good friend in high school was shot dead.. in the back by a cop, just for walking away from him.. he didn't commit any crime. Cop got let off, never saw a day of jail, still is on the force.

Same exact thing that's going to happen here more than likely. Because it's the same fucking story, over and fucking over. Cops get away with murder. ALL THE FUCKING TIME. And then toolbags want to come to their defense and say they were justified for it.
Regardless of if the cops should have been called or not. You guys act like because it's not a "cop situation" that he's justified in murdering someone?
Cops are supposed to be professionals, they are public servants, they are supposed to handle all kinds of situations, if they can't handle something they should be calling for backup or calling someone that is trained to handle a mentally ill person. You don't just murder people you don't know how to deal with. Unless you are a cop, of course. Because of course.. that's the best way to deal with it. Just kill the fucker, because you don't like them or want to be there.
Hey.. you'll get away with it.. and people will BLINDLY back you up.. so why not. Just kill all the undesireables.

Yeah, there's a few good cops here and there. But the bad apples ruin the whole fucking batch.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Uzziel]
    #20799189 - 11/05/14 11:48 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this cop didn't do something wrong. He probably did. The matter of the fact is, is that there is far too little evidence for us to go on and the families testimony is pretty shaky.

I don't know proper protocol for police men on dealing with mentally ill whether or not they call for back up, but you don't call the police unless it's serious.




Oh I definitely agree, far far too little evidence to make a informed decision. I will admit I'm biased but I'm not going to guess as to what happened in the bathroom with such little evidence.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: PureMadness]
    #20799195 - 11/05/14 11:50 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Here is another point of view you never hear on this story.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20799166


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: PureMadness]
    #20799207 - 11/05/14 11:52 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Why was the kid tasered and dragged into the bathroom in the first place? He pulled the kid in there so he could shoot him without being seen. Duh. Police 101, minimize the chance of cameras whenever possible, that way there can be plausible deniability.. "Oh he struggled and pulled a knife on me". No witnesses makes for perfect murders, especially when you have a badge. Shit even when you have witnesses and video evidence, they usually get off.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Shroomism]
    #20799231 - 11/05/14 11:59 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I doubt the testimony is entirely accurate to begin with. None of it even makes sense.

"He just grabbed him, tazed him, then dragged and shot him."

I HIGHLY doubt it went down like that.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Uzziel]
    #20799246 - 11/06/14 12:03 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I saw an undercover cop shoot a 16 year old kid in the back for telling him to fuck off and walking away from him.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Shroomism]
    #20799265 - 11/06/14 12:07 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Of course it wouldn't.... you've made it quite clear you're a cop hater no matter the circumstance. It sucks about your friend but not all cops are like that.

The matter of the fact is, there aren't enough facts here

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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Uzziel]
    #20799270 - 11/06/14 12:08 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Of course it wouldn't.... you've made it quite clear you're a cop hater no matter the circumstance. It sucks about your friend but not all cops are like that.

The matter of the fact is, there aren't enough facts here

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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Shroomism]
    #20799311 - 11/06/14 12:18 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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TheMule73 said:
Quote:

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TheMule73 said:
Something probably happened in the bathroom....





what do you suspect could have happened?




Like you said, the kid very likely could have grabbed a razor or something of that sort. But in a confined space like a bathroom, a cop should be able to take down a person, sure maybe he would have been cut a bit but no way enough to seriously harm him. He has a tazer, maybe some pepper spray on him, and supposedly adequate training.




so you're saying that the cop should risk his life trying to subdue
someone instead of exercising the same rights any american has, the
right to protect his own life. if the femoral artery gets cut you
bleed out in a little over a minute, same with the carotid artery.
you have a couple, maybe 3 minutes before you bleed out it the
brachial artery is cut. neither of the 3 are protected by kevlar
vests. all 3 can easily be cut by someone with a straight razor



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Unless the kid had brought an actual knife with him which was in his pants or something, I just can't see how a cop can't bring him down without using deadly force.





mentally ill people do a lot of weird shit, violent, paranoid mentally ill
people do things such as hide weapons all over the house, he;;, people we
may consider to be sane, not always rational but sane, sometimes do the
same shit, you can see it in the prepper shows

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and who cares why the mother didn't take her son himself. The fact is a police offer showed up. Without the guy having a gun, the cop should be good enough at his job to take down the subject without deadly force (especially going into the situation KNOWING the subject was mentally ill).




we dont know what he had, we do know he was mentally ill, the reason his
mother called is pretty important based on the fact that there had been
prior calls for the same thing. hell, for all we know this guy planned his
death at the hands of the cops knowing his mom would call yet again

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Wouldn't surprise me in the least. I saw an undercover cop shoot a 16 year old kid in the back for telling him to fuck off and walking away from him.





that would be an article worth reading


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #20799328 - 11/06/14 12:23 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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TheMule73 said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

TheMule73 said:
Something probably happened in the bathroom....





what do you suspect could have happened?




Like you said, the kid very likely could have grabbed a razor or something of that sort. But in a confined space like a bathroom, a cop should be able to take down a person, sure maybe he would have been cut a bit but no way enough to seriously harm him. He has a tazer, maybe some pepper spray on him, and supposedly adequate training.




so you're saying that the cop should risk his life trying to subdue
someone




He should have risked his life instead of taking another's life, yes. That's his job, to protect and serve the public, not himself.


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Re: Mother Calls Police to Help Her Son Take His Medicine, Cop Shows Up and Shoots (Kills) Him [Re: TheMule73]
    #20799342 - 11/06/14 12:28 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

This just PROVES that they are not there to "serve and protect"

Instead of the cop trying to talk to the person, instead he gets angry because the guy turns his back and starts to walk away so he charges and attacks the guy and tasers him then drags him into the bathroom to shoot him three times close range.
This is even more a clear cut case of murder than the michael brown shooting.

Im never going to trust the police. Even encountering the police at all can lead to you being shot to death.


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