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NotTheDevil
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Webster10 said: Terpenoid to weight ratio is the only way to accurately judge potency. Visible trichs is the cheapest way of identifying that.
And it's not entirely effective, and it doesn't do shit to tell you how the weed will feel. I've had nugs where you can barely see the trichomes get me higher than some super sticky and sparkly stuff. Marijuana has more than one variable.
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Re: The Growery [Re: Zombi3]
#20679472 - 10/09/14 12:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dark_Star said: This whole conversation started because you claimed that you will judge Zombie's growing skills based only a picture of his buds. That's not an accurately rounded method of judging, plain & simple. The Cannabis Cup uses a whole lot more than that, and a whole lot more than potency for their judging.
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Zombi3 said: Youll need to strain your head lol, but heres the only pic of my current buds I have at the moment. Sorry for the pic, taken with a phone so quality could be much better than it is.

Whats my skill level bruh?
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Webster10 said: Terpenoid to weight ratio is the only way to accurately judge potency. Visible trichs is the cheapest way of identifying that.
And it's not entirely effective, and it doesn't do shit to tell you how the weed will feel. I've had nugs where you can barely see the trichomes get me higher than some super sticky and sparkly stuff. Marijuana has more than one variable.
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Yeah it is the same. Judging a plant such as weed that someone grew based only on a picture of it is very much analogically similar to judging a meal based only a picture of it. Cultivating is an artform in the same manner that cooking is. If you can't see that, than you know a lot less about it then you think you do.
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There are buds that look amazing and crystally that aren't super strong, There are buds that look regular that aren't that pretty but smoke well. And there are the buds that me and my boy grow that look awesome and smoke awesome.
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Webster10 said: Terpenoid to weight ratio is the only way to accurately judge potency. Visible trichs is the cheapest way of identifying that.
And it's not entirely effective, and it doesn't do shit to tell you how the weed will feel. I've had nugs where you can barely see the trichomes get me higher than some super sticky and sparkly stuff. Marijuana has more than one variable.
I'm not going to argue useless shit with the rest of these hardheads but now you're back to arguing the only thing I originally wanted to argue.
NOPE. There is one variable going into how potent cannabis is. Terpenoid to weight ratio. This is the definition of potency pertaining to cannabis.
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Legend said: did someone say overgrow?
Yeah that's what I was gonna say. That site was hands down the best for growing info
i think the archives are around somewhere.
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Re: The Growery [Re: Legend]
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Yes they are. I've been linked them before but lost them.
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NotTheDevil said:
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Webster10 said: Terpenoid to weight ratio is the only way to accurately judge potency. Visible trichs is the cheapest way of identifying that.
And it's not entirely effective, and it doesn't do shit to tell you how the weed will feel. I've had nugs where you can barely see the trichomes get me higher than some super sticky and sparkly stuff. Marijuana has more than one variable.
I'm not going to argue useless shit with the rest of these hardheads but now you're back to arguing the only thing I originally wanted to argue.
NOPE. There is one variable going into how potent cannabis is. Terpenoid to weight ratio. This is the definition of potency pertaining to cannabis.
And yet potency in the trichomes varies, and the terpenoid profile itself varies highly from plant to plant i.e on the extreme end you can have the most crystally buds in the world not get you high (if it's like Charlotte’s web), or you can have the most crappy looking/tasting shit get you high as balls (certain mids and schwag). It's not just about general "potency", it's about what's actually in there which varies enormously from strain to strain.
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NotTheDevil said:
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Webster10 said: Terpenoid to weight ratio is the only way to accurately judge potency. Visible trichs is the cheapest way of identifying that.
And it's not entirely effective, and it doesn't do shit to tell you how the weed will feel. I've had nugs where you can barely see the trichomes get me higher than some super sticky and sparkly stuff. Marijuana has more than one variable.
I'm not going to argue useless shit with the rest of these hardheads but now you're back to arguing the only thing I originally wanted to argue.
NOPE. There is one variable going into how potent cannabis is. Terpenoid to weight ratio. This is the definition of potency pertaining to cannabis.
And yet potency in the trichomes varies, and the terpenoid profile itself varies highly from plant to plant i.e on the extreme end you can have the most crystally buds in the world not get you high (if it's like Charlotte’s web), or you can have the most crappy looking/tasting shit get you high as balls (certain mids and schwag). It's not just about general "potency", it's about what's actually in there which varies enormously from strain to strain.
So you agree that terpenoid to weight ratio is the only factor in determining potency? Cause that's what I've been arguing from the start...
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And what we've been saying from the start is "potency" does not = quality. Who are you calling hardheads?
Heres a scenario to play with:
Bud A weighs 1g and is 5/10 terpenoids. Bud B weighs 1g and is 5/10 terpenoids.
Bud A was subjected to drought, maybe some fertilizer burn, not enough light, or any amount of basic fuck ups that you would expect from your average amateur grower. He nonetheless achieves decent crystal formation and said crystals are %80 THC and %20 whatever other terpenoids are present.
Bud B had none of the above problems and still for whatever reason produced the same amount of crystal, except the crystal is %50 THC and %50 other terpenoids.
Lets just take a moment to remember genetic variability is a real thing before going any further....
NOW, going off your definition: "There is one variable going into how potent cannabis is. Terpenoid to weight ratio. This is the definition of potency pertaining to cannabis."
If we use your logic/definition both Bud A and Bud B are equally as potent as both have the same weight of terpenoids present. Even visually you will see the same amount of crystals. HOWEVER, since we saw wildly different ratios of active terpenoids in the trichomes, the highs from the two buds will be remarkably different. The potency of Bud B will be perceived as weaker since its terpenoid profile has less THC and a higher ratio of more subtle terpenoids.
So theres an example of varying potency between nugs with the same exact terpenoid to weight ratio, plain and simple.
Of course by your logic both are the same exact potency.
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Re: The Growery [Re: Zombi3]
#20684135 - 10/10/14 01:43 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel like thought is the number 1 best way to positively affect bud/bud ratios...and therefore maximize bud polarity
Thats why i read books before I mix my synthetic soil mixtures...its better for the environment and really brings out the alkaloid content. I love that caffeinated creeping that comes from a good synthetic book-fire bud.
I've been growing bud for 65 billion years, and smoking it for like 10x as long...so you guys know I know more about this than any of you guys...lemme tell ya 
I've got this strain that I call alaskan thunderthighs of the amazonian forest fire...it grows great indoors and out, responds well to organics, and has a bud/bud ratio of 100 billion...which is pretty much god tier. It tastes like grape prostitutes mixed with the leavings from god's used heroin needle
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This thread became stupid really fast. Like, from the beginning, actually. But it got worse.
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Re: The Growery [Re: Remix]
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No. Not everything everybody says about disliking something means it's trolling. Sometimes people just honestly think something is stupid.
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Re: The Growery [Re: Remix]
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Oh ok, I think we're on the same page now........
  
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Are you underage or something? Get the fuck out.
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Re: The Growery [Re: Remix]
#20777884 - 10/31/14 05:26 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Never been on the growery personally.
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