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OfflineScarfmeister
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We are alone.
    #2077635 - 11/06/03 04:18 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I have come to the realization that we are all alone in this universe. We are the product of a series of freak occurrences and we are left here hurdling though space with only the grandeur of our dreams to comfort us.
Doomed to live out our lives alone as the only sentient beings in the universe. We are desperately searching for some kind of truth, a purpose but alas there is none. In millions of years form now there will be no trace of us ever existing. All our dreams washed away by the fabric of space until there is nothing. In the grand scheme of things we are merely be a speck of dust blowing in the wind.

All those memories, lost.





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Re: We are alone. [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2077639 - 11/06/03 04:19 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Us as the only sentient beings in the Universe? You are utterly insane. :grin:
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Re: We are alone. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2077647 - 11/06/03 04:24 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

"I have come to the realization that we are all alone in this universe. We are the product of a series of freak occurrences and we are left here hurdling though space with only the grandeur of our dreams to comfort us.
Doomed to live out our lives alone as the only sentient beings in the universe. We are desperately searching for some kind of truth, a purpose but alas there is none. In millions of years form now there will be no trace of us ever existing. All our dreams washed away by the fabric of space until there is nothing. In the grand scheme of things we are merely be a speck of dust blowing in the wind."

Thank you for sharing your opinion


"Us as the only sentient beings in the Universe? You are utterly insane."

Thank you for sharing your opinion


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Re: We are alone. [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2077656 - 11/06/03 04:26 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

If you believe this, then your only option is to make this life count, have all the fun you can, and dont look back on anything you do. Who cares if no one remembers us? Do we really need that ego-boost of self-importance? Grow from our nature and develop yourself into the person you want to be, regardless of what may happen thousands of years from now.

Revel in what our mistake existence has accomplished, live, love, and learn...because what the hell else are you going to do with your time...?

--Kremlin


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--Richard Dawkins, "The Selfish Gene"

"It is the mind which creates the world about us, and even though we stand side by side in the same meadow, my eyes will never see what is beheld by yours."
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"Without a firm idea of himself and the purpose of his life, man cannot live, and would sooner destroy himself than remain on earth, even if he was surrounded by bread."
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Re: We are alone. [Re: Kremlin]
    #2078099 - 11/06/03 06:32 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

A debate is made with opinions. Faith is also made with opinions ....
I guess that's what is mostly discussed over here, opinions.

MAIA


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2078106 - 11/06/03 06:35 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

The universe must be the biggest waste of space in all of existance and creation if we are the only sentient intelligent species in it.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2078110 - 11/06/03 06:39 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

You really think the Earth is so special that's the only planet capable of sustaining life? Do you realize how vast our universe is? Do realize how many stars are out there, and of those, how many solar systems? Do you really think there's no other planets in this universe that have liquid water and an atmosphere(basically the only two ingredients necessary to sustain life on a planet)?


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2078145 - 11/06/03 06:51 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Aww come on, you know better than that. You are just being negative....right?

The way i figure it, if relatively convenient interstellar travel is possible, aliens have probably already been here. If it is'nt then they probably never will be.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2078146 - 11/06/03 06:52 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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In the grand scheme of things we are merely be a speck of dust blowing in the wind.




But we could be united and make a solid stone block. I think the issue is not the size, not the number but the fact we can mean something important as a whole.

MAIA


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Re: We are alone. [Re: MAIA]
    #2078288 - 11/06/03 07:36 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I am working on a new masterpiece.. alien/human relations volume 2 :laugh:
Expect it later tonight, or perhaps tommorow. 


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2078290 - 11/06/03 07:37 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomism, just wondering: How do you manage to communicate with aliens? Did you find them or did they find you?


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Re: We are alone. [Re: silversoul7]
    #2078366 - 11/06/03 08:00 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Both.. I can't go into too great detail right now, as I'm writing.. but you can ask all the detailed questions you like when I make the thread.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2078740 - 11/06/03 09:32 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Beliving that we are alone in the universe is like beliving you are the only one who wears pants in Earth. Yeah, a huge explosions occurs, all these particles and dust get blasted off, and only one of these particles of dust was the exact distance of a spark to grow organic and concious matter for a short time. The thought of it is just the most ego-driven of ignorances. Now you can call UFO witnesses wackos if u want. You can claim that we will NEVER meet exraterestial intelegence. You can even claim that you dont exist. But the universe is insanely huge, we are just floating around on a little rock that is currently the right distance of a heat source. Out of ALL the rocks and suns that are out in this INMENSE explosion atleats aciouple billion had to have had the chemical chances we had to suport life, maybe to suport it in inimaginable ways for our current awareness level to comprehend.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: silversoul7]
    #2078933 - 11/06/03 10:34 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
You really think the Earth is so special that's the only planet capable of sustaining life? Do you realize how vast our universe is? Do realize how many stars are out there, and of those, how many solar systems? Do you really think there's no other planets in this universe that have liquid water and an atmosphere(basically the only two ingredients necessary to sustain life on a planet)?




Actually, its not that easy for a planet to sustain life similar to ours. Its easy to have a planet with the right composition and distance from its sun, but you also need to have large outer planets in just the right place to stabilize the planetary system so that all the planets dont crash into each other or go flying off into space. You also need a moon in the right orbit so that your planet spins on one axis instead of three.

Given all the constraints, the number of such planets becomes tiny and its much more difficult for any intelligent life on these planets to contact each other.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2079027 - 11/06/03 11:01 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Spokesman.. I agree completely.. see my new thread.

Anna..Anna...Anna... who said life has to be similar to ours? Water based planets are common throughout the universe, and water-based doesn't even necessitate life. We just haven't discovered non water based life outside our own planet. That doesn't say much, seeing as to how we haven't even left our own solar system. The universe contains billions of galaxies, that we can see... we haven't even left our solar system. Life is more common than it isn't.

Given those non-constraints, travelling in the 3rd density with fossil fuel powered ships is not going to get us very far. yeah, it would be difficult for us to travel very far, because we are doing it the stupidest way possible. Think outside the box. We are in the infant/newborn baby stages of space exploration..to say that travel across the galaxy would be difficult, at this point, is like people saying 150 years ago that human flight is impossible.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2079061 - 11/06/03 11:12 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

After my 5-gram trip, I came to the conclusion that the universe itself is alive.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2079077 - 11/06/03 11:18 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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Given those non-constraints, travelling in the 3rd density with fossil fuel powered ships is not going to get us very far. yeah, it would be difficult for us to travel very far, because we are doing it the stupidest way possible. Think outside the box. We are in the infant/newborn baby stages of space exploration..to say that travel across the galaxy would be difficult, at this point, is like people saying 150 years ago that human flight is impossible.




First of all, human flight had already been a reality even more than 150 years ago, with baloons. Second of all, i doubt that you could compare the technical challenges of building an airplane with trying to go faster than the speed of light. If this were really possible, than we should have by now had some kind of direct proof that aliens really exist. I believe that they exist, but that the laws of physics might very well preclude them from ever meeting us. Dont forget: Star Trek isnt the real galaxy...


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"anchor blocks counteract the process of pontiprobation..while omalean globes regulize the pressure"...

Edited by Annapurna1 (11/06/03 11:29 PM)

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Re: We are alone. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2079107 - 11/06/03 11:32 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

The laws of physics state that with the aerodynamics of bumblebees, they are technically incapable of flight.

Obviously, it's not perfect
Until we master the universe, I would not put all my faith in the "laws" of physics. They are still theories, most of them. Besides that, how are you so sure that physics operates the same consistently throughout the universe, or the galaxy for that matter? I see no evidence of us testing these "laws" anywhere else.

Going faster than the speed of light is a simple matter of entering hyperspace while simultaneously converting coarse-matter into fine-matter. I never watch Star Trek.

Why should we have direct proof of alien contact? You think that intelligent sentient life forms that had mastered interplanetary travel would want to make open contact with a civilization of heathens that wage war for fossil fuels, green paper, and power... couldn't even get along with each other, are stupid enough to play with nuclear weapons, and massacre innocents in the name of God? No. They are a lot smarter than that. No self-respecting alien would be caught dead associating with beings wading in pools of ignorance, arrogance, and self-righteousness like that. Open contact would be the dumbest move they could possibly make.


How are you so sure that I'm not an alien?


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2079204 - 11/07/03 12:02 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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We are the product of a series of freak occurrences




What most people consider "freak occurences" are actually quite normal.

Being a man of no principles, I will not rule out the possibility that we are the only sentient life in the universe. But lets just say I would be extremely surprised if that were the case.

Life is the greatest SNAFU

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Re: We are alone. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2079316 - 11/07/03 12:32 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

yeah I'd like to know exactly what freak occurences? Like the nucleosynthesis that creates stars that happens all the time? Or is it the cycle of nature that is endlessly creating new forms of life? I'm stumped.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2079604 - 11/07/03 02:16 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomnoob

- I hope and pray that you come to realize that there is a God and he's just waiting up there for us. He's everywhere you just have to open your eyes,see, and believe. You'll really be missing out. I'm sorry for preaching to you....no..wait...actually I'm not sorry. But it's your life, you have to find the way. I'm just in a wonderful mood right now.

Peace and Love ya'll

Hope you find the way homie

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Re: We are alone. [Re: TruBallin420]
    #2079941 - 11/07/03 04:31 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

TruBallin420 said:
- I hope and pray that you come to realize that there is a God and he's just waiting up there for us. He's everywhere you just have to open your eyes,see, and believe. You'll really be missing out. I'm sorry for preaching to you....no..wait...actually I'm not sorry. But it's your life, you have to find the way. I'm just in a wonderful mood right now.

Hope you find the way homie




God is waiting up where for us?

And, by the way, all paths lead to One. There is no "The Way".
Peace.


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Like being here
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all watery worlds gestate skyseekers [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2080172 - 11/07/03 06:57 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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alan watts said: as the ocean waves , the universe peoples
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when you look into the cosmos, on some level, you are looking home...
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googlesearch:
"time cube"
(a nice roger mcguinn song... (vocals, 5-string banjo, moog synth...) from his first solo album)


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2080268 - 11/07/03 08:02 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
The laws of physics state that with the aerodynamics of bumblebees, they are technically incapable of flight.




Im not a physicist, but i would like to know what law of physics says that a bumblebee cant fly. Please post a link.

Quote:

Going faster than the speed of light is a simple matter of entering hyperspace while simultaneously converting coarse-matter into fine-matter. I never watch Star Trek.




What your saying is that going faster than the speed of light is a simple matter of going faster than the speed of light.

Quote:

Why should we have direct proof of alien contact? You think that intelligent sentient life forms that had mastered interplanetary travel would want to make open contact with a civilization of heathens that wage war for fossil fuels, green paper, and power... couldn't even get along with each other, are stupid enough to play with nuclear weapons, and massacre innocents in the name of God? No. They are a lot smarter than that. No self-respecting alien would be caught dead associating with beings wading in pools of ignorance, arrogance, and self-righteousness like that. Open contact would be the dumbest move they could possibly make.




Your making an assumption about the morals, ethics, and evolutionary processes of life on other planets which is prolly invalid: there is no reason why they should be morally superior to us, especially if evolution works the same way (which it would have to, even if the biology and the chemistry is completely different). In fact a popular conspiracy theory holds that aliens are the ones fucking over the world's economy. I dont believe this, but if it were true, then those aliens could definitely not claim moral superiority over humans.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #2080529 - 11/07/03 10:02 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: We are alone. [Re: baraka]
    #2080555 - 11/07/03 10:15 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

But wait didnt that site just say that with science one can prove how they fly? It said they just use special techniques to lift off and remain in flight.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: d33p]
    #2080566 - 11/07/03 10:18 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

This isn't about the damned bumble bees. Actually, it is. Bumblebees are PROOF that we are not alone in this Universe.
Peace.


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Like being here
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Re: We are alone. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2080570 - 11/07/03 10:20 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

It is possible that we (humans) are the height of complexity in the entire universe (in all universes!) and that the evolution to greater levels of complexity rests on our shoulders. That is the human experiment.

But it is a billion times more probable that life exists everywhere. As we can see on earth life isn't really that picky about where it lives. So maybe around another one of the stars in our galaxy (200-400 billion) there are appropriate conditions for life. If not there perhaps on one of the 3000 or so galaxies that the Hubble Space Telescope has checked out. Oh, the HST has only surveyed about 0.04% of the sky. So maybe in one of those ones that hasn't been checked out.

In either case, my opinion agrees with silversoul in that the universe it's self is alive and every part of it has a memory that dates back to our beginning... and maybe before that. And that we (and the multitudinous other living beings) are just growths out of it and reflections of it, but only a small part of an ever growing fractal.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: jiva]
    #2080577 - 11/07/03 10:22 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Hehe, welcome, jiva. Way to kick things off. I agree.

Everything is conscious on all sorts of levels. :grin:
Peace.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2080593 - 11/07/03 10:26 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I just think the universe is a choatic system of subatomic particles which colide to form larger and larger things. Yet they are all governed by a set of rules. I dont think humans have yet discovered these true rules. Anything is possible just to bad most of us wont around to see it.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: d33p]
    #2080598 - 11/07/03 10:28 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

d33p said:
I just think the universe is a choatic system of subatomic particles which colide to form larger and larger things. Yet they are all governed by a set of rules. I dont think humans have yet discovered these true rules. Anything is possible just to bad most of us wont around to see it. 




Someday I might let you all know what these special rules are. Just don't hold your breath. :grin:
Peace.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2080611 - 11/07/03 10:31 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Fireworks_god did you ever used to watch that show on nickolodeon called i think "my brother and me" where it followed a black family whose 2 sons basically got into mischief and they also had a very friend?


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Re: We are alone. [Re: d33p]
    #2080616 - 11/07/03 10:31 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Doesn't ring a bell.
Peace.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2080621 - 11/07/03 10:33 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Well one of the friend catch phrases was "dont hold your breath" and i knew that kid in real life. Whenever someone say that it just reminds me of him...o well.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2081117 - 11/07/03 01:23 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah I'd like to know exactly what freak occurences? Like the nucleosynthesis that creates stars that happens all the time? Or is it the cycle of nature that is endlessly creating new forms of life? I'm stumped.




I was just pointing out that, if indeed the universe is infinite, there is no such thing as a freak occurence. In an infinite amount of time and space, anything can and eventually will happen. Doesn't the bell curve flatten out when the population is infinite?


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Re: We are alone. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2081477 - 11/07/03 03:46 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

"The laws of physics state that with the aerodynamics of bumblebees, they are technically incapable of flight. "

Actually their aerodynamics don't matter. It's all in the wings. They don't use lift in the traditional airplane-wing sense, they use the rapid beating of their wings. They could be any shape whatsoever, so long as they weighed the same their wings could buzz them around.

And remember the A-7 Avenger (i think I got that right, Korea / Vietnam era US jet)? It's a brick. You stick a big enough power source on a brick, and it'll fly. It might not generate any lift from its motion, but that's just something that enough power can overcome.

"if indeed the universe is infinite"

It's not exactly infinite.. but it's not exactly finite either. There's no center of the universe, and there's no edge.. and I forget the rest, I haven't read my Steven Hawking for a while now.

But yeah. Original poster duder, I agree. We're alone on this boring little planet. Moving faster than the speed of light is impossible.. travelling even a significant fraction is impossible really. The amount of energy it would require is... staggering.
If there IS a way to travel long distances across the universe it would lie in skipping around through wormholes of some sort. But of course. Who really knows if that's even possible.

So, yep. We're alone. If we do figure out how to travel through the stars, I wouldn't go betting on it being in any of our lifetimes. And 1000 years from now, no one will remember you ever existed. And there aint a thing wrong with that.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #2082239 - 11/07/03 08:12 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

Why would you have to travel anywhere? Just receiving a signal from somewhere would be sufficient to know that there is somebody out there.

Even finding bacteria or something on Mars or Europa would be sufficient. Then either life isn't too difficult to cook up, or life can travel in space (panspermia), or both. Combine this with the recent discovery of planets orbiting Sol like stars, and the chances are pretty good.

Btw, fungal spores are considered a probable form of panspermia. Some spores can be hardier and tougher than even the smallest bacteria. Fungi also seems to be one of the oldest forms of life on this planet. If life did evolve elsewhere and just travelled here, then our ancestors might be mushrooms :smile: 


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Re: We are alone. [Re: muhurgle]
    #2082450 - 11/07/03 09:45 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

shroomnoob-
here are some numbers from my life in the Universe text book:
(gross approximations)
100 billion stars systems in our galaxy
100 billion galaxies in our Universe
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so there are 10,000 billion star systems in our Universe.
10,000,000,000,000 star systems!

if we had the technology to look at each of these star systems and detect life, in say one second, it would take over 317,097 years to search the entire Universe

there is no way to ever know for sure if we are alone. no matter how hard we try, we will never see everything.
also the Universe is an estimated 12 billion years old. there might have been life long before we ever came around.
and because of the huge distances we are seeing very old light. a star 10 billion light years away might have developed life today, but we will not be able to see it for 10 billion years. or we could find a system today with life that died in the time it took that light to get here for us to detect.

what is your definition of life? the Universe and even our own solar system could be filled with life that we cannot detect. how do you see single celled life from astronomical distances?

the only proof we have that life does not exist elsewhere is from meteors and samples taken from other places. but those are an infintesimally small samples. Would looking at one rock outside prove that life exists on earth? no. should looking at a few rocks found in our solar system prove that life doesn't exist in our universe? no.

"you can't have no in your heart." - joe dirt

i will gladly give my text book away after this semester if any body wants to read it.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2082457 - 11/07/03 09:48 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

"We are A Liiii ii ii ii i ii ive"  :laugh:


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Re: We are alone. [Re: student]
    #2082482 - 11/07/03 09:54 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: We are alone. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2083403 - 11/08/03 07:51 AM (20 years, 4 months ago)

" What your saying is that going faster than the speed of light is a simple matter of going faster than the speed of light "

Well it all depends on how you define speed, which could be seen easly as the time taken to travel between two points. So if we just folded space and brought thoes two points closer so a 2 lights year gap would only take 1 hour, then in theory this would be faster than light. Oh and warping space is a possability as its used in gravatational lensing also time can just be defined by the warping of space by gravity.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: silversoul7]
    #2083893 - 11/08/03 12:17 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

I know what you mean. When I shroom or drop acid I feel a great connectedness, and later a great peace. Knowing what I am here to do and what I'm doing. I relied on that to get me by when it came to thinking about life and death. Then I smoked 5-MeO-DMT... It's a much different trip, at least for me. During my peak my brain was firing so much that the external world was nothing. The universe, me, my existance right here right now, was nothing. 'Shattering' is all I can say about that. So I can totally relate to what Shroomnoob is saying.

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Re: We are alone. [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2084192 - 11/08/03 02:11 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

we've got eachother man! HELLO!


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Strumpling]
    #2086796 - 11/09/03 03:42 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

You know. That actually made me feel better.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #2086922 - 11/09/03 05:06 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

In Patanjali's yoga this is called the transcendental state of kaivalya or aloneness.  While we may yes be ultimately alone, as someone once said, that's all one!  Maybe someone already said this, I didn't read the whole thread, though I usuallly do. While we may be all alone, it doesn't mean that we are not all the one source. Only the e :nut:go is alone. All of life on Earth shares the same carbon based existance. 


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Re: We are alone. [Re: eve69]
    #2087711 - 11/09/03 10:06 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

100 billion stars per galazy, 100 billion+ galaxies...we aren't alone.


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Re: We are alone. [Re: Spokesman]
    #2087735 - 11/09/03 10:14 PM (20 years, 4 months ago)

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Spokesman said:
Beliving that we are alone in the universe is like beliving you are the only one who wears pants in Earth.




I can look around and see other people wearing pants. I can't look around and see aliens tho.

Its not completely irrational to believe we are alone. Unfortunately if one has no proof of aliens, what else is there to believe? Without any proof, you can only hope that they exist.


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