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    #20774173 - 10/30/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

General Supplies in Setup


The above are the supplies I currently have (+ large bin not in Pic)
This Includes:

Small bin: 17.5'x 11' x 11' = 2,115.5 in squared or 36 quarts or 9 gallon vollume

1 pound Vermiculate
4 pounds Perlite
12x 8oz (1/2 pint) Mason Jars
Sterile gloves
Face masks
Temp and Humidity Monitor

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Beyond what I have I am looking for recommendations and tips to get me started.

Updates will come soon!

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Update: 11/08/2014

As of 11/08/2014 9 1/2 pints have been impregnated. Marking the calendar for a month before I am even will to remove them from their currently dry SGFC.

Will check for contams occasionally though.

Details below:


Hiding Spot



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Update: 11/22/2014 (almost perfect date..)

Here are pics after 2 weeks from date of innoc. Captions are below pics.


1st set is profile of all four innoc sides of all 9 jars stacked.


Here is a close up of  one of the bigger clusters in a single jar.


Here is a close up of one of the smaller clusters in a single jar.


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Update: 12.08.14

Current states - Most jars 30% - 45% colonized

Temperature mean - 72.4 degrees F

Smell - Smells like nature (not bad, more like grass in the sun)

Moisture - Jars collecting moisture at bottom, enough to make little pools.

Lighting - Usually under a towel in SGFC - Have let them rest in room lighting for a day or two now.

Photos are of all 4 sides of all jars stacked. And for obvious reasons I could not photograph the bottom of the jars, but damn near all the bottoms are fully fluffy white.

Side 1
side 2
Side 3
Side 4

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Updated: 12.09.2014

Tagyo suggested that I up the temperature from 72.0 to 77 - 80.0. Well, I followed his advice last night and turned the central air on to 76.00 which makes the container my jars are stored in 76.5. ANYWAYS..., like magic his advice provided immediate results. Not only did I instantly see a 5 % - 10 % hike in growth, but it seems to be every jar! I am wildly astounded...


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Updated: 12.11.2014

Signs of greenish / yellowish contam spots on bottom of two jars, and brownish like artifacts sticking to sides of these jars in small specks. These jars contained a lot of bottom moisture, enough to puddle. I am preparing to incinerate and trash so that when garbage man comes he doesn't get attacked by garbage full of possibly dangerous spores.

7 jars out 9 still in the game, or so it seems!

Also, just ordered a bunch of supplies and am going to be setting up Rye berry quart jars for mini monotub. Jars will have SFD under lids, and will be using PC as well as 27 qt mini mono for spawning to bulk in either coir or something else. Haven't decided. Any recommends for this secondary project will be nice.

Thread for second project - 2nd Project - Rye Berry & Cube: Part 1, Setup.

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My project has been deemed a failure. Pins rapidly started showing up in jars when colonization was only 50 - 60 percent. Well, good thing I've another batch colonizing in the mean time which I took more special care of. Thread closed. Thread dead.



Edited by Cryptology (12/16/14 09:32 AM)

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20774219 - 10/30/14 07:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This thread was moved from The Pub.

Reason:
You'll get way better answers in the Mushroom Cultivation forum. :bunnypeace:

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: yogabunny]
    #20774244 - 10/30/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

large perlite is awesome, click the first link in my signature, it should answer almost everything as well as the links to videos and TEKs that are proven winners.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: yogabunny]
    #20774255 - 10/30/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for the escort! I wish I could post here naturally.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #20774373 - 10/30/14 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

bodhisatta said:
large perlite is awesome, click the first link in my signature, it should answer almost everything as well as the links to videos and TEKs that are proven winners.





Ok, I got everything. Do you think the smaller container will be a pleasant environment for my new house guests?

Also, any recommends for cheap/decent pressure cooker?

Just did the trick or treat spec with spore-w0rkz

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20776226 - 10/31/14 08:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Anyone can recommend decent pressure cooker for the money? Or at least explain if it's really worth it or not?

I also would like to know about glove boxes. Are they worth it? Is there a cheap vendor for them ? I've searched and they are expensive, but maybe I missed the golden deal somewhere... If not is there a good guides for constructing one solidly?

Lastly, ambient temperature of my apartment is aorund 74.0 f, whereas the ambient temperature inside what I am going to make their SGGB - Shot gun grow box - is 72.00. Anyone can recommend a decent lighting solution that might only raise it 6-8 deg?

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20776254 - 10/31/14 08:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.amazon.com/Presto-01781-23-Quart-Pressure-Canner/dp/B0000BYCFU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1414766376&sr=8-2&keywords=presto+pressure+cooker

it is worth it because grains make it easy to use bulk teks like monotub which you can find results for all over this forum :thumbup:


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: filthyknees]
    #20776259 - 10/31/14 08:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's the one I was looking at.. I already blew 200.00 on supplies, spores, and work space tools. :frown: It's not that I spent frivously - I plan on making this a lifelong practice.. and thus I've invested in the study of my own spores.


I also would like to know about glove boxes. Are they worth it? Is there a cheap vendor for them ? I've searched and they are expensive, but maybe I missed the golden deal somewhere... If not is there a good guides for constructing one solidly?

Lastly, ambient temperature of my apartment is aorund 74.0 f, whereas the ambient temperature inside what I am going to make their SGFC - Shot gun grow box - is 72.00. Anyone can recommend a decent lighting solution that might only raise it 6-8 deg?

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20776392 - 10/31/14 09:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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and thus I've invested in the manufacture of my own spores.




thats just diabolical!!

Quote:

I also would like to know about glove boxes. Are they worth it? Is there a cheap vendor for them ?




yes they are worth it.  cheapest "vendors" are walmart, target, thrift store, etc.  large storage totes, big as u can get them.  66qt is too small IMO.  large coffee can + fire = arm holes

Quote:

Anyone can recommend a decent lighting solution that might only raise it 6-8 deg?




i use a room with a lot of windows for ambient sunlight.  in the winter, 6500k "daylight" bulb in ceiling or near ur set up to make up for daylight savings time darkness


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20776678 - 10/31/14 11:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You want a PC to do anything other than pf tek. Used I got mine 20$ fits 4 quarts pretty small but its all I need.

You want a still air box sab not a glove box there's an abundance of sab teks out there including In my links in my signature.

68-72f is perfect don't try to raise the temps. If you need to raise thre temps if your grow room is 60F or below heat the whole room not just your tubs

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #20776788 - 10/31/14 11:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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You want a PC to do anything other than pf tek. Used I got mine 20$ fits 4 quarts pretty small but its all I need.

You want a still air box sab not a glove box there's an abundance of sab teks out there including In my links in my signature.

68-72f is perfect don't try to raise the temps. If you need to raise thre temps if your grow room is 60F or below heat the whole room not just your tubs





So for PF tech boiling is efficient? And the SAB - Easy to build, I will do so with the larger container I already have. "Living" will take place in small. Good thing my temp is right! Thanks for all your recommends.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20776799 - 10/31/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Cryptology said:
Quote:

bodhisatta said:
You want a PC to do anything other than pf tek. Used I got mine 20$ fits 4 quarts pretty small but its all I need.

You want a still air box sab not a glove box there's an abundance of sab teks out there including In my links in my signature.

68-72f is perfect don't try to raise the temps. If you need to raise thre temps if your grow room is 60F or below heat the whole room not just your tubs





So for PF tech boiling is efficient?



It's sufficient yes :thumbup:


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20776894 - 10/31/14 12:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So for PF tech boiling is efficient?



We don't boil cakes, we steam sterilize them.

Yes, a 90 min steam sterilization of 1/2 pint cakes is all that is needed.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: PussyFart]
    #20777016 - 10/31/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You guys are fantastic! Thank you for all your support. I will post updates when the microscopy project starts.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20779920 - 11/01/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

never boil anything steam transfers heat. you only want an inch or two of water in the bottom of your steam bath for pf cakes, the tek shows this

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20780057 - 11/01/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Cryptology said:
Anyone can recommend decent pressure cooker for the money? Or at least explain if it's really worth it or not? 




All American, they can reach some crazy psi, they are on the more expensive side but look on eBay and see if there is anyone local selling one, i found mine for a little over 100 but a hefty shipping charge so closer is better. I believe a PC is very important because you want to make sure everything gets sterile and most PC's (Electric) don't even tell you want psi they get to.


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: beaglek]
    #20780065 - 11/01/14 11:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

don't get a digital PC. AA pc's and sterilizers go to 15 just like all the other brands do. find one used

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #20781016 - 11/01/14 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I would never purchase digital. However, the digital are cheaper than AA or products like AA PC. It's amazing... and upsetting, lol.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #20781028 - 11/01/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
don't get a digital PC. AA pc's and sterilizers go to 15 just like all the other brands do. find one used




Got mine on ebay 70 bucks shipped.


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: TheMustardTiger]
    #20781037 - 11/01/14 05:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not trying to be the cheapass that no one wants to help, but with what I've already spent (200.00) I don't want to spend much more. If and when I am successful with my first study I will then get better study equipment.

Since I've started putting together this microscopy project I've found several benefits including gleeful enthusiasm, and that my area of study is perfect for studying in. So, I have high hopes that I will at least be moderately, if not  figuratively (in that I'll learn something) successful.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommendations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20781086 - 11/01/14 05:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I want to know if I can do a SGFC with the small storage container I have showing in the op. Any advice? Also, if I can do it... I need another of same size to put into, correct?

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20781112 - 11/01/14 05:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Inexpensive PC

$62 and free shipping

Mirro 92122A Polished Aluminum Dishwasher Safe PFOA Free Pressure Cooker Cookware, 22-Quart,

Amazon


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20781146 - 11/01/14 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Not trying to be the cheapass that no one wants to help, but with what I've already spent (200.00) I don't want to spend much more. If and when I am successful with my first study I will then get better study equipment.

Since I've started putting together this microscopy project I've found several benefits including gleeful enthusiasm, and that my area of study is perfect for studying in. So, I have high hopes that I will at least be moderately, if not  figuratively (in that I'll learn something) successful.




spend 70 more dollars on a presto 16 quart pressure cooker. It's worth it. It can hold 7 quart jars which is enough for any small scale home cultivator.

If you're only doing small brown rice flour cakes with half pint wide-mouth jars then you can get away with sterilizing them for 2 hours in a steam bath without added pressure.

When working with whole grains you need to pressure sterilize them for 90 - 120 minutes or steam sterilize them for 8 hours.

So yes you can work your way around not having a pressure cooker but do you want to wait around for 8 hours while your grain jars steam?  A minimum wage job at 8 hours could pay for that pressure cooker.


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #20781415 - 11/01/14 07:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hello!

First off I am in no position to give advice, I am VERY new but I have been experimenting with different techniques and I feel its my duty to tell you what the most important one is to save you time, money, and energy.

First, Its my noobie opinion JARS are a trap and really restrict your potential with limited supplies such as PRESSURE COOKERS. I bought two pressure cookers, digital and a HUGE manual one. But it can only hold 10 quart jars, that's why I've moved to BAGS, you can buy ones with a breathable patch for a quarter a piece. They fit much better in Pressure cookers, so if you can only afford a small or medium cooker, invest 10 bucks in BAGS and you will be able to fit 3 times the amount of material in them. 
 
  I for example can fit 20pds of WBS in my large pressure cooker in bags and my small digitable cooker can hold roughly 10pds but I usally use it to sterilize tools.

So free yourself from jars: put a big smile on:grin:, check your walk, and raise your tub full of jars above your head and throw them out. It was a very freeing experience for me and it will be for you too if you decide to switch.

Just my 2 cents to avoid pressure cooker space issues, good luck with your grow.

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    #20781429 - 11/01/14 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hello!

First off I am in no position to give advice




Then why are you giving it? Jars are fantastic and they work for everyone here with a half decent sterile procedure and half a brain.


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: TheMustardTiger]
    #20781449 - 11/01/14 07:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah switching to bags would be fiscally irresponsible of me since I already have...

I don't know how many jars I have. :facepalm:


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: WickedIrish]
    #20782118 - 11/01/14 11:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Hello!

First off I am in no position to give advice, I am VERY new but I have been experimenting with different techniques and I feel its my duty to tell you what the most important one is to save you time, money, and energy.

First, Its my noobie opinion JARS are a trap and really restrict your potential with limited supplies such as PRESSURE COOKERS. I bought two pressure cookers, digital and a HUGE manual one. But it can only hold 10 quart jars, that's why I've moved to BAGS, you can buy ones with a breathable patch for a quarter a piece. They fit much better in Pressure cookers, so if you can only afford a small or medium cooker, invest 10 bucks in BAGS and you will be able to fit 3 times the amount of material in them. 
 
  I for example can fit 20pds of WBS in my large pressure cooker in bags and my small digitable cooker can hold roughly 10pds but I usally use it to sterilize tools.

So free yourself from jars: put a big smile on:grin:, check your walk, and raise your tub full of jars above your head and throw them out. It was a very freeing experience for me and it will be for you too if you decide to switch.

Just my 2 cents to avoid pressure cooker space issues, good luck with your grow.




Wait, you mean to tell me that my 5 or 6 half point wide mouths will need 8 hours of steaming?

I might do 8 jars,but I'd first need to know if I can use the container in my original post as a sgfc for 5 to 8.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20782676 - 11/02/14 03:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

u can steam grains, but spring for a Presto or AA pressure cooker if u can, you will get better results more than likely.

bags are awesome, but if u only have an SAB they difficult to work with.

u can make an SGFC out of anything, big or small.  my first SGFC was two shoe box sized plastic containers on top of one another.  just make sure to get at least 3"+ perlite in there.


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20783405 - 11/02/14 09:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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u can steam grains, but spring for a Presto or AA pressure cooker if u can, you will get better results more than likely.

bags are awesome, but if u only have an SAB they difficult to work with.

u can make an SGFC out of anything, big or small.  my first SGFC was two shoe box sized plastic containers on top of one another.  just make sure to get at least 3"+ perlite in there.





Thank you for that! 3' perlite it is.

Though, I did have a question about wood. Can I study these microsopy samples in individual clay planters / wood planters? Would wood be a nice humid planter for them, or would it only serve as an extra way to contam?

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #20783845 - 11/02/14 11:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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don't get a digital PC. AA pc's and sterilizers go to 15 just like all the other brands do. find one used





I have not yet decided if I am ever going to enlarge / broaden my studies with bigger PC - I was thinking something like a 6qt pc for up to 6 1/2 wide mouths.

Will something like this be adequate? Considering this PC

Or  this... Or this PC

The less I spend the better. I am at the end of budget for the next couple weeks.

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yes but it only holds 4 jars.

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yes but it only holds 4 jars.




What about the other one I listed?:

I edited post..

However, I think I might just steam for several hours with traditional pot the first go... I dunno. budget tight :frown: It's not like I am hurting financially either. It's just I allocated a budget and planning on sticking with it.

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yes but it only holds 4 jars.




What about the other one I listed?:

I edited post..

However, I think I might just steam for several hours with traditional pot the first go... I dunno. budget tight :frown: It's not like I am hurting financially either. It's just I allocated a budget and planning on sticking with it.




Steaming works if you do it right. And it's kind of hard to botch that job. Just steam them if you don't want to invest in a PC


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yes but it only holds 4 jars.




What about the other one I listed?:

I edited post..

However, I think I might just steam for several hours with traditional pot the first go... I dunno. budget tight :frown: It's not like I am hurting financially either. It's just I allocated a budget and planning on sticking with it.




Steaming works if you do it right. And it's kind of hard to botch that job. Just steam them if you don't want to invest in a PC





I was told I should steam for 8 hours for 6 1/2 pint wide mouths. Is this correct, or did I misunderstand? I have several large pots with which to do this, one of which is a calphalon that has a snug fititng, rubberized edge lid. How long should I steam up to 6 1/2 pint widemouths? I know to put 1 inch water and jar lids as base.

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2 hours of steaming is fine for half pints. Anything larger you need 8hours.


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2 hours of steaming is fine for half pints. Anything larger you need 8hours.





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    #20784145 - 11/02/14 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

PF cakes get 60-90m steamed or 60m PC@15PSI. grains get 8 hours steam or 90-120m PC@15psi

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PF cakes get 60-90m steamed or 60m PC@15PSI. grains get 8 hours steam or 90-120m PC@15psi



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PF cakes get 60-90m steamed or 60m PC@15PSI. grains get 8 hours steam or 90-120m PC@15psi





Thank you for clearing that up. :smile:

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    #20784289 - 11/02/14 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Go rake some leaves, make $70 and buy a 16qt Presto that you will use for years and years. I'm actually going to can some fresh salsa next year :crazy2: More uses than just for cultivation.


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    #20784315 - 11/02/14 02:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

for $80 (better start raking) :leafromp:  you could get this http://www.walmart.com/ip/Presto-23-Quart-Aluminum-Pressure-Canner-12-Ball-Pint-Jars-Value-Bundle/21834894 shipped! 10 qt jars fit in this idk how many 1/2 pints.


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    #20795583 - 11/05/14 07:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wanted to know does this look good for a setup / or is it too tight? Pleas assume Perlite will give even bottom. Pic below.


Btw 11 is a synergistic number and I like it. :smile:

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    #20795611 - 11/05/14 07:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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u've done too much acid, haven't you?


looks good, holes look a little small though??


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    #20795628 - 11/05/14 07:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid: about the holes and you're mushrooms aren't going to have much room in there. I saw Pasty do this a little bit ago with jars packed into a mono.


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    #20796418 - 11/05/14 12:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's because there aren't holes yet lol! No wonder their so small :wink: And if it's too packed will reducing the jars to 9 work?

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    #20796473 - 11/05/14 12:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yea u can reduce it, but i feel like SGFC's that have more cakes perform better in pictures i see.  i only have ever done a few cakes, a most were spawned to bulk, so i can't say from personal experience.  but look at fhatsters cakes in the RR videos.  the cakes evaporate, creating a small microclimate around them, so u can take advantage of that by packing cakes in to help boost humidity.


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    #20797132 - 11/05/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

every number is synergistic take one away and the whole thing would crumble.

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    #20807008 - 11/07/14 06:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Now the process of studying begins. PC arrived earlier. Pressured the containers for 90 minutes. Now cooling for last two hours. Letting cool til cool to touch. Will be presenting spores for speculation tomorrow.

Process is that I will work in GB and sterilize in between damn near everything. Any advice before I go through that most tedious step in my studies?

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    #20807557 - 11/07/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

unattach the gloves so it 's a still air box:thumbup:


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    #20809388 - 11/08/14 10:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Finished with setting up my studies. Though, I had some issues with shaking the syringes. The needle and syringe were seperated and there wasn't any air in the needle SO I had to draw the pluger back a back which meant putting on the needle and shaking it outside the box. Is this an issue? This was the only way I could of done it...


Also, when I took the jars out of PC ... they contents seemed more damp than when I put them in and more condensed. Though, I did everything in my power to prevent this prior to the PC. Did I do something wrong? And yes, I put tin foil on over the caps.

Lastly, for the life of me I could not inoculate from within the GB.. it was too hard to read the CC on the syringe.. so I had to do it open air :frown: However, I did so by placing the jars on top of iso alc wipes when do so.

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    #20809498 - 11/08/14 10:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i shake the syringe before i put the needle on you should be fine 
the jars will dry up in a few days thats normal
open air is always a gamble you can manuvoir where you are looking thru the arm hole thats how i do it


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    #20841500 - 11/15/14 02:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Today is 7 days since innoc. Checked a couple times through the week. I am noticing little white fluffy bits near innoc sites. How long before I should expect full colonization? Also, as far as I can tell no contams have occured, but the jars are barely showing signs of inoc - just little white fluffs near innoc sites and not all jars are doing this uniformly.

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    #20841521 - 11/15/14 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

another 7 days I would guess. Shake when those noc spots grow and the jar is about 30% colonized. If you shake it really good it will be 100% in the next 2 days after that shake


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    #20848536 - 11/16/14 11:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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another 7 days I would guess. Shake when those noc spots grow and the jar is about 30% colonized. If you shake it really good it will be 100% in the next 2 days after that shake



Shaking is only for grains, OP is using BRF cakes, and we never shake cakes.....ever.....it would compromise the dry verm layer and send any contams it has trapped right into the middle of the cake.

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another 7 days I would guess. Shake when those noc spots grow and the jar is about 30% colonized. If you shake it really good it will be 100% in the next 2 days after that shake



Shaking is only for grains, OP is using BRF cakes, and we never shake cakes.....ever.....it would compromise the dry verm layer and send any contams it has trapped right into the middle of the cake.

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    #20848727 - 11/17/14 01:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol please dont shake your brf jars. There is no set number of days for complete colonization. I would say 15-20 is about average? plus consolidation times your lookin at a few weeks. :super:


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    #20850056 - 11/17/14 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So a month from inoc should be fine, then.

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So a month from inoc should be fine, then.



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    #20876189 - 11/22/14 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's now been 14 days sinces Innoc. White webs are growing near injection sites on MOST jars. Though, the biggest white patch i see is no bigger than a silver dollar. And the smallest patch I see is no smaller than a penny. Though none of the spots (under the innoce sites) are touching another spot as they do not span enough of the jar. How would you guys rate the colonization progress given this information after 14 days from innoc?

From the guides I read my jar should be turning completely white - like nor BRF visible. Am I mistaken? And at what time do I decide to just try to monotube?

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    #20876260 - 11/22/14 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you're right on track. :thumbup:

It usually takes 3 weeks to a month to fully colonize, and then another week for consolidation.

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    #20876384 - 11/22/14 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Here are pics after 2 weeks. Captions are below pics.


1st set is profile of all four innoc sides of all 9 jars stacked.


Here is a close up of  one of the bigger clusters in a single jar.


Here is a close up of one of the smaller clusters in a single jar.

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Sounds like you're right on track. :thumbup:

It usually takes 3 weeks to a month to fully colonize, and then another week for consolidation.

Get this grow under your belt and then move your way up! You learn a lot from hands on experience.




Thank you for being supportive. I'm sure everyone was nervous with first results because of how long it takes! Thank you for reassuring my simpletons paranoia. Also, check pics above this post! :smile:

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Patience is key! Pics look good too.




If I wanted to add something like gypsum to make the flushes more pronounced.. would doing so after dunking by adding it to the verm that would cover the cakes... be beneficial - or is gypsum for inside the substrate only? I would like to maximize growth potential if I could.

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    #20876665 - 11/22/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Don't bother with gypsum in cakes. Good genetics and proper conditions help maximize growth.


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Don't bother with gypsum in cakes. Good genetics and proper conditions help maximize growth.




I am only saying this a faux passe. In nature the better the nutrients the more likely an organism is to survive, and then flourish. Why would it not matter in Mycology?

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    #20878807 - 11/23/14 11:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you've got gypsum use it, but in your cake mix, I don't know how much good it would do in a verm dunk and roll on a cake, but I;ve never done cakes.

From a TC (although gypsum doesn't buffer)

There's several benefits.
The main reason is to add calcium carbonate SULPHATE and sulfur, which helps to stabilize PH levels to near neutral so it acts as a PH buffer as well as adding minerals which are vital for fruiting.
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    #20889287 - 11/25/14 03:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Use it in your cake mix,
They won't absorb it in the dunk. I added a tablespoon into my cake mix and I'll dig up the RR post that told me to.


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    #20948236 - 12/08/14 04:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's now been 4 weeks and some days. Cakes , I'd say, are a little more than 45% colonized. Some are under developed, like 2. Am I still on track? What can I do as a back up plan incase they never fully colonize?

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    #20948281 - 12/08/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Upload some pics.
Notice any strange colors? Smells?

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    #20948378 - 12/08/14 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Upload some pics.
Notice any strange colors? Smells?

What's your temperature at? That's some extremely slow colonization.




Update: 12.08.14

Current states - Most jars 30% - 45% colonized

Temperature mean - 72.4 degrees F

Smell - Smells like nature (not bad, more like grass in the sun)

Moisture - Jars collecting moisture at bottom, enough to make little pools.

Lighting - Usually under a towel in SGFC - Have let them rest in room lighting for a day or two now.

Photos are of all 4 sides of all jars stacked. And for obvious reasons I could not photograph the bottom of the jars, but damn near all the bottoms are fully fluffy white.

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: Cryptology]
    #20948434 - 12/08/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's a lot of moisture,

When you injected those did the needle touch the bottom of the jar? I'm trying to figure out why you have so much bottom growth and none on the top there. Did you pack down your substrate or leave it nice and fluffy, only leveling it.

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: taGyo]
    #20948459 - 12/08/14 05:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Formula was 1 cups brown rice, 2 cups verm, 1 cup water.stirred til throughly mixed. I did my best not to pack them down, but I'm sure I could have been more careful. Also, I innoc near middle of each side, and some jars received a little extra such as 1 unit more split between innoc sites in like 2 jars. Normally each jar reviewed  unit of the 12 unit needle .thus 2 jars received twice as much.

So what are your thoughts?

Edit: Am I screwed?

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    #20948497 - 12/08/14 05:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Twice as much meanings 2ccs? That's fine.

They honestly look perfectly healthy. The water pooling at the bottom is probably condensation from the colonized parts giving off heat. If you pick them up from the bottom, are they a little warm? That would explain that.

As for your slow colonization, MS syringe is a crap-shoot so you never know. People like to say you'll be fully colonized in 2 weeks but when I did my first set of jars it took 3-4. Chances are you're getting slow colonization because not all the inoculation points kicked in so the myc is working it's way around the whole jar. You could even have myc hiding behind that BRF just waiting to poke out.

If you can up the temps to 75-80 you'd see faster colonization. 77-80 is optimal for jars, 70-75 for fruiting but I wouldn't worry about it if you have to go out and buy things to maintain that temp, nor is it really necessary at all since they're growing just fine, maybe a little slower.

This happened to my first set of jars, only two innoc points showed up on all of my jars and it took forever to colonize, right about 27 days or so and nine out of ten caught contams and the tenth one was fighting bacteria. I don't think yours are infected at all, they seem perfectly healthy, but give them some more time.

What was your PC technique?

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: taGyo]
    #20948512 - 12/08/14 05:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pc with jars covered in alum and sterilized under 15 psi for hours.

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    #20948530 - 12/08/14 05:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hours? An hour? 60-90 min is recommended but some guy PCed for 2 hours and got the same results recently. When I PCed my first set of jars I forgot the rocker. I'm assuming you weren't as dumb as I was :lol:

I'd just let 'em grow bro. If you look at pic 2, third stack, top jar you can see the myc poking through the BRF. This should start happening all over the place.

In the future don't knock in the middle though, sides are preferred since you'll be able to track growth and not go crazy while it happens :lol:.

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Re: First Study: Mazatapec [Re: taGyo]
    #20948685 - 12/08/14 06:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They were innocd in four hokes each jar. N s e w

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20951334 - 12/09/14 08:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Updated: 12.09.2014

Tagyo suggested that I up the temperature from 72.0 to 77 - 80.0. Well, I followed his advice last night and turned the central air on to 76.00 which makes the container my jars are stored in 76.5. ANYWAYS..., like magic his advice provided immediate results. Not only did I instantly see a 5 % - 10 % hike in growth, but it seems to be every jar! I am wildly astounded...

Edit: For Tagyo...

Tagyo, what does stalled me an in my case since I just colonizing so far?

Also, I innoc in four holes each jar. I PC'd for 90 minutes to be exact. Sorry, I was tired and worried last night...

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Edit: For everyone else.

Moving on, I am always open to expert opinions and suggestions. Please read my original post as it contains all updates including this one.

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    #20952083 - 12/09/14 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Can you rephrase your question please?

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    #20952124 - 12/09/14 11:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Your stacks of jars look great! Here to follow and provide positive vibrations.
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    #20952901 - 12/09/14 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

How and when do you determine a jar has stalled?

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    #20952910 - 12/09/14 02:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #20952917 - 12/09/14 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Get a sharpie and draw a line around where the myc is. Come back in two days and you should see growth.


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    #20952936 - 12/09/14 02:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Get a sharpie and draw a line around where the myc is. Come back in two days and you should see growth.




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    #20962163 - 12/11/14 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Updated: 12.11.2014

Signs of greenish / yellowish contam spots on bottom of two jars, and brownish like artifacts sticking to sides of these jars in small specks. These jars contained a lot of bottom moisture, enough to puddle. I am preparing to incinerate and trash so that when garbage man comes he doesn't get attacked by garbage full of possibly dangerous spores.

7 jars out 9 still in the game, or so it seems!

Also, just ordered a bunch of supplies and am going to be setting up Rye berry quart jars for mini monotub. Jars will have SFD under lids, and will be using PC as well as 27 qt mini mono for spawning to bulk in either coir or something else. Haven't decided. Any recommends for this secondary project will be nice.

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    #20962336 - 12/11/14 02:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Think about what you could have improved in your sterile and brf formula,
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    #20962375 - 12/11/14 02:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The only thing I didn't do is innoc in glove box because of how difficult it is to see how much is dispersed.

though, I have to admit maybe I've been checking them too frequently in the last couple of weeks because of their stalling, or what seemed to be stalling.

Thirdly, 77 degrees it is.

Also, I will try inoculating through a alcohol filled square sponge cut to nice quarter sized square that will sit over the innoc holes so that the needle passes through the alchol sponge (thus decomtaminating on its way in then the SFD. OF course I will flame sterilize in between jars still.

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    #20962391 - 12/11/14 02:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Flame sterilizes and alcohol sanitizes.

I iso'd my hands one day and touched an agar plate directly with one finger:



That showed up a little while after.

I inoculate some of my jars in open air, your problem was either lack of proper sterilization (Not 15 PSI or sterilized long enough) or a dirty needle or you didn't flame sterilize your needle. If you can think back, did you do anything differently with two jars?


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    #20962553 - 12/11/14 03:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I am preparing to incinerate and trash so that when garbage man comes he doesn't get attacked by garbage full of possibly dangerous spores.



Poor guy, completely unprepared for the possibility someone's garbage might contain mold or bacteria :lol:

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Also, I will try inoculating through a alcohol filled square sponge cut to nice quarter sized square that will sit over the innoc holes so that the needle passes through the alchol sponge (thus decomtaminating on its way in then the SFD. OF course I will flame sterilize in between jars still.



Flame sterilizing kills everything. Alcohol is ineffective against many contaminants. You could actually recontaminate your needle by sticking it through the alcohol soaked sponge. The chances of contaminating the needle between when you flame sterilize it and actually inject it is remote as long as it doesn't touch anything.


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    #20962562 - 12/11/14 03:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #20965684 - 12/12/14 08:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Oh shit,
Kizzle's here.




I tried summoning a greater deity and it worked! Welcome Kizz!

And Tagyo.. I am thinking back and I do remember this... The innoc holes were a little too small and when I stuck the larger needle through I really had to apply some pressure which would cause the needle to touch around the jar lid when I'd miss.

Also, now that I think of it.. when moving them around in their storage container I bumped the container a couple a times against a corner by accident and shook the jars pretty soundly a couple times. Though, it was not repeated and intentional shaking =(

I believe other jars are showing similar signs now too because I smell socks when I open their housing. I think I did bad, very bad.. and I had the temp too low for the first month so I didn't see any contams because the conditions weren't ideal for them to show, yet.

So...

If I do BRF again I will do my best provide them with earthquake proof stability. I will also enlarge innoc points slightly, and I will try to do them in the glove box....

However, I am going to be starting the Rye grain jars in the next coming days. So, I will have to do BRF another time. However, I will try to keep these jars alive, but I don't know if any of them will make it.

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    #20965930 - 12/12/14 09:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Trust me,
Put the rye on hold. Bulk is harder and hurts even more when one thing goes wrong. And trust me, it will. I was literally right where you were a month ago when I started my grow log and I learned A LOT because I made a lot of mistakes and I feel like it's my duty to help those that made the same or similar mistakes.

You'll most likely make the rye jars and a few will contam because Rye is tricky your first two or three times. If you do go bulk please buy some Wild Bird Seed and follow this much easier tek:

6T WBS Tek

This will get you acclimated to grains in a very easy way. After you understand what you're doing and why you're doing it I would move on to Rye. It's RogerRabbit's favorite but comes with a lot of problems if you don't know how to prep it correctly.

When you do make those rye grain jars I suggest this configuration:



I use the smaller hole for inoculation and then stick a piece of Transpore or Micropore over it and leave the bigger ones out for gas exchange. 100 percent success rate. Your needle won't touch your grains so I like to shoot it all on one side to increase the chance of germination. After you inject DO NOT SHAKE. This will slow down germination by a few days because the spores need to find each other.

ON TO THESE JARS:

Just toss 'em if you see contam. Don't bother to let it grow and start again.

Can you show me your holes?


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    #20965967 - 12/12/14 09:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Trust me,
Put the rye on hold. Bulk is harder and hurts even more when one thing goes wrong. And trust me, it will. I was literally right where you were a month ago when I started my grow log and I learned A LOT because I made a lot of mistakes and I feel like it's my duty to help those that made the same or similar mistakes.

You'll most likely make the rye jars and a few will contam because Rye is tricky your first two or three times. If you do go bulk please buy some Wild Bird Seed and follow this much easier tek:

6T WBS Tek

This will get you acclimated to grains in a very easy way. After you understand what you're doing and why you're doing it I would move on to Rye. It's RogerRabbit's favorite but comes with a lot of problems if you don't know how to prep it correctly.

When you do make those rye grain jars I suggest this configuration:





As for the holes... I can't take a picture, but I can tell you that the holes were exactly, if not slightly smaller, than the circumference of the needle my syr's came with.

I use the smaller hole for inoculation and then stick a piece of Transpore or Micropore over it and leave the bigger ones out for gas exchange. 100 percent success rate. Your needle won't touch your grains so I like to shoot it all on one side to increase the chance of germination. After you inject DO NOT SHAKE. This will slow down germination by a few days because the spores need to find each other.

ON TO THESE JARS:

Just toss 'em if you see contam. Don't bother to let it grow and start again.

Can you show me your holes?





Well, interestingly enough I bought enough supply to do another BRF as well. I will do another batch of BRF and start my first batch of Rye either a day after or later in time depending on how I feel. I will take your advice and ahere with caution.

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    #20965993 - 12/12/14 09:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:yesnod:,

Always up to you but these are just my personal experiences. Just found out my master KSSS jar had bacteria in it which is a bummer because it's contamed the rest of the culture I have growing.

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    #20966002 - 12/12/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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ON TO THESE JARS:

Just toss 'em if you see contam. Don't bother to let it grow and start again.

Can you show me your holes?




Can I use SFD in the BRF instead of Verm? If so would it be feasible to make the 4 innoc holes as per usual, perhaps larger, and then stick penny sized SFD siliconed to the underside of the lid instead of using verm? Or use that and verm?

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:yesnod:,

Always up to you but these are just my personal experiences. Just found out my master KSSS jar had bacteria in it which is a bummer because it's contamed the rest of the culture I have growing.

Looks like I'll start that one from scratch :lol:




That's another thing I must learn, but I not ready for, yet. - Master jars, Agar Teks, and cloning.

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    #20966024 - 12/12/14 09:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You really only need 1 hole for GE. Having too many can dry out your grains.



And I don't recommend making a ton of lids with inoc. holes in them. You might use them once or twice...but after you get going you more than likely won't need them.

You can replace verm with SFD's yeah. You will need injection ports though. 4 small holes filled with RTV silicone.

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    #20966037 - 12/12/14 09:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah you can but don't waste your beautiful SFDs for that. You don't really want to puncture your SFDs if you can help it, this keeps them re-usable.

I haven't bought any SFDs because I just cut a pieces of Tyvek from a painter suit I got at home depot for like 13 bucks but you want to preserve those as much as possible. If you do inoculate through them buy some silicone RTV to make an injection hole in the middle.

Kind of like this: RTV

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    #20966040 - 12/12/14 10:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I followed 6T WBS tek and my grains haven't dried out using both the holes the way I did.

The way he has his SFD set up is good too, I just wouldn't break the SFD I guess :lol:.


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You'll still want the 4 holes, just fill em with RTV.


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    #20966292 - 12/12/14 11:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You'll still want the 4 holes, just fill em with RTV.




Both you guys.. I thought SFD were re-usable. I seen teks where the SFD is cut to quarter sized circles and then placed under the innoc holes. I've also seen it where they place a disk that fits on the back side of the jar lid, turn the jar lid upside down and place it on the jar and then secure it with the screw lid.

In both these cases a needle has to pass through the SFD.. and the authors of these TEKS claim it's still re-useable.. so how or why would I be ruining my SFDs?

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20966378 - 12/12/14 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I always reuse my lids. You'll have holes in it if you stick a needle through..I don't see why that would be wanted. I would just use verm it's easier :shrug: If not then make a GE hole, cut out a small size SFD and silicone it over the hole. Drill your 4 other holes and silicone those.


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    #20966805 - 12/12/14 01:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I always reuse my lids. You'll have holes in it if you stick a needle through..I don't see why that would be wanted. I would just use verm it's easier :shrug: If not then make a GE hole, cut out a small size SFD and silicone it over the hole. Drill your 4 other holes and silicone those.




So, what your saying is don't innoc through the SFD? Instead use them for air exchange?

I'm so confused..

Why do other people use the SFD's and say they are re-useable after they innoc through them?

So, what is SFD really good for?

And on another note I will just use RTV silicone for injection ports.

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    #20966843 - 12/12/14 01:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So, what your saying is don't innoc through the SFD? Instead use them for air exchange?



Exactly....stabbing a needle thru the filter is just going to ruin the filter....

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Why do other people use the SFD's and say they are re-useable after they innoc through them?



Who are these "other people"?

Are you sure they weren't referring to another filter material, such as polyfill?

Polyfill is the only filter I can think of that can be inoculated thru and still remain a viable filter.

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So, what is SFD really good for?



Filters on jars.....for filtered GE(Gas Exchange).

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And on another note I will just use RTV silicone for injection ports.



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    #20966874 - 12/12/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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    #20967680 - 12/12/14 04:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's what I was trying to say the whole time :lol:


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    #20967704 - 12/12/14 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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That's what I was trying to say the whole time :lol:




Please don't making the fun of me!

Anyways..., You suggested a make the holes like in the picture you showed me. What size holes are those? Also, Can this be done for BRF because It seems with the way you have the single innoc port setup that only one side can be properly innoc'd

Recap:

What size holes?

IS it for Brf?

Do I use SFD cutouts for breathing the two breathing ports?

Any other advice? I plan on starting another BRF. PErhaps a nice, clean writeup reference would be nice for anything you tell me about~! =D I'm sorry to be so needy, but you all are just so helpful!

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    #20967714 - 12/12/14 05:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Also, Can this be done for BRF because It seems with the way you have the single innoc port setup that only one side can be properly innoc'd




Don't use these for your BRF jars, just do a dry verm layer and save them for your grains. It's more complicated then it's worth.

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    #20967721 - 12/12/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it's not really rocket science. you can have a PF tek and you use dry verm as a filter with holes in the lid. you can skip the dry verm barrier and use a "grain" lid. which will have gas exchange(polyfil, tyvek, or SFD) and an injection port if you wish(Silicone or polyfil or a premade rubber injection port) look up a lid tek if you're still confused.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: taGyo]
    #20968002 - 12/12/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Also, Can this be done for BRF because It seems with the way you have the single innoc port setup that only one side can be properly innoc'd




Don't use these for your BRF jars, just do a dry verm layer and save them for your grains. It's more complicated then it's worth.

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Not trying to poke here, just curious.

But I have 20 SFD's coming. I was planning on using one or two to make quarter or nickle size cutouts for which, if I wanted, I could use for the breathing ports alone provided I seal and adhere with RTV Silicon.

I was thinking to make the four holes then make ejector ports with RTV Silicone on both sides of each hole. I would still be using the verm as well. However, since I'd be clogging the ventilation with the Silicone seals I'd make a 1/8 (or 1/4) inch port in the middle and Apply one of the quarter/nickle sized cut outs of the SFD.

Does any of the make sense? I have a ton of supply... I am not so worried about conservation since the SFD's are re-useable if not puncture. I could permanently affix these to any breathing holes for my BRF projects of the future. Is this all silly?

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    #20968013 - 12/12/14 06:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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it's not really rocket science. you can have a PF tek and you use dry verm as a filter with holes in the lid. you can skip the dry verm barrier and use a "grain" lid. which will have gas exchange(polyfil, tyvek, or SFD) and an injection port if you wish(Silicone or polyfil or a premade rubber injection port) look up a lid tek if you're still confused.




Check my previous post to this one and you'll see I had a similar idea.

And.. question. If I do BRF with normal lids and no SFD / SIlicone would it feasible to cover the holes for PC with Micropore alone instead of using foil to cover and secure the lids?

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    #20968287 - 12/12/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I always used foil and no micropore. I think micropore tape is useless. foil on sterilize foil off and save the foil it gets reused at least 10 times before it's too shitty.

I do all my PF style grows with gas exchange lids and no dry verm barrier. I just inoculate with agar by taking the lids off.

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    #20968738 - 12/12/14 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was suggesting he skip this step because it's a lot of work for results he could achieve without all that extra manufacturing. IMO, KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).

Dry verm is proven to work and so is Bod's gas exchange method. It's really just up to you, both skin the cat well, it's all up to user variables which we can't control.

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    #20969009 - 12/12/14 10:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I was suggesting he skip this step because it's a lot of work for results he could achieve without all that extra manufacturing. IMO, KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).

Dry verm is proven to work and so is Bod's gas exchange method. It's really just up to you, both skin the cat well, it's all up to user variables which we can't control.

No amount of SFDs or fabricated lid will replace good sterile procedure or Pressure Cooking.




Hmm,  I get that. I am, like you said,  examining my previous mistakes. I am also trying to add simple yet, beneficial steps.

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    #20969016 - 12/12/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I recently started another BRF tek project because Munch encouraged me and I was thinking about using a tyvek filter instead of dry verm...



Then I just used the dry verm :shrug:

They're all LCs and doing well now :thumbup:


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    #20969022 - 12/12/14 10:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I always used foil and no micropore. I think micropore tape is useless. foil on sterilize foil off and save the foil it gets reused at least 10 times before it's too shitty.

I do all my PF style grows with gas exchange lids and no dry verm barrier. I just inoculate with agar by taking the lids off. 




Well, that's great! Lol, I hope it's useful for something. Also, you're talking about subject matter that are, at the moment, outside my scope.  However,  I am checking your signature links for two references. I hope to be at your level,  and tagyo in the near future.

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    #20969027 - 12/12/14 10:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I recently started another BRF tek project because Munch encouraged me and I was thinking about using a tyvek filter instead of dry verm...



Then I just used the dry verm :shrug:

They're all LCs and doing well now :thumbup:




How hard is lc?

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    #20969037 - 12/12/14 10:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I recently started another BRF tek project because Munch encouraged me and I was thinking about using a tyvek filter instead of dry verm...



Then I just used the dry verm :shrug:

They're all LCs and doing well now :thumbup:




How hard is lc?




Getting a clean LC might prove to be difficult for a noob but it's certainly not rocket science. Some people around here swear by them. You just need to be on your A game when it comes to sterility.


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    #20969047 - 12/12/14 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I always used foil and no micropore. I think micropore tape is useless. foil on sterilize foil off and save the foil it gets reused at least 10 times before it's too shitty.

I do all my PF style grows with gas exchange lids and no dry verm barrier. I just inoculate with agar by taking the lids off.



:derail:

I actually read a thread where someone put some micropore underneath a scope and proved it did nothing to really stop contams. It's too big and some bacteria gets trapped on it's fibers but others slip right through, especially after a PC round.

Good luck Crypt,
I'll be watching,

- Gyo

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LCs are easy but you should do a PF tek and without contams before you try it. Save the last .5 cc of all your syringes and make a Liquid Culture and it'll multiply. I've gotten 8-10 CCs back from a .5 cc syringe using a Liquid Culture.

The problem with LCs are if there's a contam in the water you won't know until you shoot it on agar or knock up a jar and since you're not into agar yet I'd hold off on it.

Relative difficulty IMO (From easiest to hardest)

PF Tek
Bulk
Agar/LC/LI/Everything else.

Once you get a good PF tek and a good bulk going you'll be ready to tackle the microscopic side of growing. I made my first LCs before my first PF tek and they all turned out contam free but I didn't even have an SAB or a glovebox, I just propped a box up against two shoeboxes and worked in there.

I got REAL lucky :lol:.

Just like Mustard said, it's all about sterilitiy.

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    #20969325 - 12/12/14 11:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I always used foil and no micropore. I think micropore tape is useless. foil on sterilize foil off and save the foil it gets reused at least 10 times before it's too shitty.

I do all my PF style grows with gas exchange lids and no dry verm barrier. I just inoculate with agar by taking the lids off.



:derail:

I actually read a thread where someone put some micropore underneath a scope and proved it did nothing to really stop contams. It's too big and some bacteria gets trapped on it's fibers but others slip right through, especially after a PC round.

Good luck Crypt,
I'll be watching,

- Gyo

EDIT:

LCs are easy but you should do a PF tek and without contams before you try it. Save the last .5 cc of all your syringes and make a Liquid Culture and it'll multiply. I've gotten 8-10 CCs back from a .5 cc syringe using a Liquid Culture.

The problem with LCs are if there's a contam in the water you won't know until you shoot it on agar or knock up a jar and since you're not into agar yet I'd hold off on it.

Relative difficulty IMO (From easiest to hardest)

PF Tek
Bulk
Agar/LC/LI/Everything else.

Once you get a good PF tek and a good bulk going you'll be ready to tackle the microscopic side of growing. I made my first LCs before my first PF tek and they all turned out contam free but I didn't even have an SAB or a glovebox, I just propped a box up against two shoeboxes and worked in there.

I got REAL lucky :lol:.

Just like Mustard said, it's all about sterilitiy.

I used Cyber's LC tek with great success.




I don't know what I did to earn such attention! But thank you for all your efforts, tag. I am sorry if I ask a lot of {silly} things

It's funny you did a scale of difficulty, I was gonna ask that lol. See I can search threads all day, but a lot of it is out dated and not all the recent stuff is backed thoroughly.

Also, I might make a liquid culture with next brf  because there will be 1.0 cc left over after 9 jar inbox. But I might do seven. Synergy, magic, whoa.

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    #20969332 - 12/12/14 11:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds good :thumbup:.

Seven is my lucky number.

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    #20972451 - 12/13/14 06:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Today I prepared 9 more jars. I've yet to check my Original BRFs. I will do so in approx 1 more hour.

New set will be 3 wide mouths short
and 6 wide mouths tall and skinny

All are 1/2 pint wide mouth.

Drilled 2/32 holes in the cardinal direction pattern around the rims. Take a break after all cleanup and then will prepare z jars.

Alas, A new thread will be started for this next BRF attempt, and I will still be updating this one until the end, however it may come.

New thread link coming.

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    #20972836 - 12/13/14 08:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Today I prepared 9 more jars. I've yet to check my Original BRFs. I will do so in approx 1 more hour.

New set will be 3 wide mouths short
and 6 wide mouths tall and skill

All are 1/2 pint wide mouth.

Drilled 2/32 holes in the cardinal direction pattern around the rims. Take a break after all cleanup and then will prepare z jars.

Alas, A new thread will be started for this next BRF attempt, and I will still be updating this one until the end, however it may come.

New thread link coming.




New jars are cooking.

Old jars are doing good, actually. Growth seems to have resumed at a normal pace with a lack of stink socks smell. I think I have removed the contaminated jars, but perhaps there will be more.

At this point the majority of my original jars are at about 60% colonization, a couple are less than 50%, but I believe they are now on a normal growth cycle with the temperature dialed in. Since they are now growing normally it appears as though the jars will colonize in 2 weeks or less.

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    #20972865 - 12/13/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Link to new BRF project - 2nd Project

This current project will still live on. Check back on both!

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    #20981388 - 12/15/14 06:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Growth seems to have slowed down. I am not sure what I am doing wrong here, but at least there are no more ocntams? How much longer should I wait before doing something?

And when it's time to do something what should I do?

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    #20982010 - 12/15/14 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Chances are if you didn't PC one correctly you didn't PC them all correctly.
That's just the way the dice roll :shrug:,
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    #20983533 - 12/16/14 08:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Chances are if you didn't PC one correctly you didn't PC them all correctly.
That's just the way the dice roll :shrug:,
Wait it out until you see contams.




I hope that I don't prove myself wrong by calling you wrong, but.....


CHECK THESE OUT



Nearly all of them have a single pint, yet none of them are 100% colonized. Should I birth them, shred them, and spawn to bulk?

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Those are all contaminated. Sorry.


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    #20983571 - 12/16/14 08:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Those are all contaminated. Sorry.




Just out of curiosity, what tells you that? I wanna know!

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    #20983591 - 12/16/14 08:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Fruiting will occur once myeclium is fully colonized. Thus, since your jar isnt visually fully colonized and you have fruits, the colonization has completed due to overtakings of contam.


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    #20983596 - 12/16/14 08:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Pinning in BRF jars that soon before full colonization is a big sign. This is a healthy jar...



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    #20983602 - 12/16/14 08:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hwoever it's not that soon. They've been trying to colonize for over 5 weeks now. Which is why I am wondering thats a sign since its not soon.

Could it be the colonization is stalled and they've fruited where they can? I am only asking for my own personal knowledge.

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Wow yeah it stalled due to contams and the mushrooms are trying their hardest to grow as a last ditch effort to survive.


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20983652 - 12/16/14 08:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow yeah it stalled due to contams and the mushrooms are trying their hardest to grow as a last ditch effort to survive.




Well, I will take your word for it and PC the jars and recycle. Once I pc for an hour or so.. is it safe to dump them in a garbage bag from inside my house? I only ask because I have a lot of pesky neighbors and I don't want to lose the jars.

Also, despite it being contaminated nothing smells bad :frown:

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20983678 - 12/16/14 09:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You can just steam them. Put them in a pot (with lids on the bottom of course), bring it to a boil, cover with a lid and turn the stove off. Leave until they are cool enough to handle.


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20983680 - 12/16/14 09:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You can just steam them. Put them in a pot (with lids on the bottom of course), bring it to a boil, cover with a lid and turn the stove off. Leave until they are cool enough to handle.




But can the jars be safely emptied in my house? ... Pesky neighbors are pesky.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20983690 - 12/16/14 09:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

After they are steamed yeah they should be. Do you have a garage or anything you can do it in? Just don't do it in your grow area of course.


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20983693 - 12/16/14 09:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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After they are steamed yeah they should be. Do you have a garage or anything you can do it in? Just don't do it in your grow area of course.




I can do it out the back deck~ Just no further otherwise eyes are seeing.

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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
    #20983759 - 12/16/14 09:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nosy neighbors suck.


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20984082 - 12/16/14 11:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:hugitout:



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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: taGyo]
    #21007215 - 12/21/14 11:42 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Funny thing is, most people say that using a PC is a lot more efficient than using a pot with water to steam.. I've steamed about 4 batches of BRF PF Tek cakes, not one sign of contam in over 20 steamed jars.. guess I'm doing it correctly, but I normally just steam at a high temp for about 90-100 minutes, again, haven't seen one sign on ANY jars, maybe I'm just lucky..

Sucks to hear that your jars are contamed, Crypt... Better luck next round, man.

I noticed that the jars initially looked like they had a lot of water towards the bottom (in the pics from about 25-28 days ago). I know that excess water in substrate can halt/slow growth, as well as increase contamination risk, especially at 78F...

Again, better luck next round. Trial and error.. we've all gone through it. Gyo knows that I had some issues w/ my FC and keeping fruiting conditions optimal (recently changed some things and now they're flourishing after about a month of wondering 'wtf is going on!?')

Gyo, as well as the other experienced and knowledgable users will guide you in the right direction, Gyo has been more than helpful and stuck with me through 'thick and thin'

Long story short, follow the tek's to a T, take advice, and you'll be golden! I saw some of RR's PF Tek videos someone posted earlier in thread, but I've got a good link in my sig on the PF Tek, maybe you've read it, but it's got a lot of good information, pictures and step by step guide to the whole process to ensure that you're getting the sub perfect as well as the rest of the process from substrate mixture to consolidation.

Also there's one for a SGFC instruction, which is best/easiest so far for beginning with cakes. just make sure if you decide to go w/ a SGFC (shotgun fruiting chamber) to follow that Tek TO A T as well as the PF Tek..

Sorry for long post, but again - God speed, good sir! things will come into place in time, and patience will be required! :thumbup:


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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Tourmaline]
    #21355955 - 03/03/15 11:37 AM (9 years, 10 months ago)

Check my new thread.. 2nd brf.. Successo!~ I am not almost read to harveast. I devised my own heating cooling system by wiring / making a dual temp micro controller (ones for beer). Has worked very smoothly ever since. Have two climates.. one controlling mild temps 75=77 for colonizing jars.. and 79=81 for fruiting in chamber. Now all is working.. no contams.. but some have stalled. Out of 9 jars only two stalled and the rest fruit!

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