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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
#20966024 - 12/12/14 09:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You really only need 1 hole for GE. Having too many can dry out your grains.

And I don't recommend making a ton of lids with inoc. holes in them. You might use them once or twice...but after you get going you more than likely won't need them.
You can replace verm with SFD's yeah. You will need injection ports though. 4 small holes filled with RTV silicone.
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
#20966037 - 12/12/14 09:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah you can but don't waste your beautiful SFDs for that. You don't really want to puncture your SFDs if you can help it, this keeps them re-usable.
I haven't bought any SFDs because I just cut a pieces of Tyvek from a painter suit I got at home depot for like 13 bucks but you want to preserve those as much as possible. If you do inoculate through them buy some silicone RTV to make an injection hole in the middle.
Kind of like this: RTV
It'll keep it's long term use without having a million holes punctured in it.
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: taGyo]
#20966040 - 12/12/14 10:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I followed 6T WBS tek and my grains haven't dried out using both the holes the way I did.
The way he has his SFD set up is good too, I just wouldn't break the SFD I guess .
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: taGyo]
#20966044 - 12/12/14 10:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You'll still want the 4 holes, just fill em with RTV.
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
#20966292 - 12/12/14 11:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wowimflabbergasted said: You'll still want the 4 holes, just fill em with RTV.
Both you guys.. I thought SFD were re-usable. I seen teks where the SFD is cut to quarter sized circles and then placed under the innoc holes. I've also seen it where they place a disk that fits on the back side of the jar lid, turn the jar lid upside down and place it on the jar and then secure it with the screw lid.
In both these cases a needle has to pass through the SFD.. and the authors of these TEKS claim it's still re-useable.. so how or why would I be ruining my SFDs?
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
#20966378 - 12/12/14 11:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always reuse my lids. You'll have holes in it if you stick a needle through..I don't see why that would be wanted. I would just use verm it's easier If not then make a GE hole, cut out a small size SFD and silicone it over the hole. Drill your 4 other holes and silicone those.
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
#20966805 - 12/12/14 01:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wowimflabbergasted said: I always reuse my lids. You'll have holes in it if you stick a needle through..I don't see why that would be wanted. I would just use verm it's easier If not then make a GE hole, cut out a small size SFD and silicone it over the hole. Drill your 4 other holes and silicone those.
So, what your saying is don't innoc through the SFD? Instead use them for air exchange?
I'm so confused..
Why do other people use the SFD's and say they are re-useable after they innoc through them?
So, what is SFD really good for?
And on another note I will just use RTV silicone for injection ports.
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
#20966843 - 12/12/14 01:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cryptology said: So, what your saying is don't innoc through the SFD? Instead use them for air exchange?
Exactly....stabbing a needle thru the filter is just going to ruin the filter....
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Cryptology said: Why do other people use the SFD's and say they are re-useable after they innoc through them?
Who are these "other people"?
Are you sure they weren't referring to another filter material, such as polyfill?
Polyfill is the only filter I can think of that can be inoculated thru and still remain a viable filter.
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Cryptology said: So, what is SFD really good for?
Filters on jars.....for filtered GE(Gas Exchange).
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Cryptology said: And on another note I will just use RTV silicone for injection ports.
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
#20966874 - 12/12/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
#20967680 - 12/12/14 04:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's what I was trying to say the whole time
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: taGyo]
#20967704 - 12/12/14 05:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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taGyo said: That's what I was trying to say the whole time
Please don't making the fun of me!
Anyways..., You suggested a make the holes like in the picture you showed me. What size holes are those? Also, Can this be done for BRF because It seems with the way you have the single innoc port setup that only one side can be properly innoc'd
Recap:
What size holes?
IS it for Brf?
Do I use SFD cutouts for breathing the two breathing ports?
Any other advice? I plan on starting another BRF. PErhaps a nice, clean writeup reference would be nice for anything you tell me about~! =D I'm sorry to be so needy, but you all are just so helpful!
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
#20967714 - 12/12/14 05:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cryptology said: Also, Can this be done for BRF because It seems with the way you have the single innoc port setup that only one side can be properly innoc'd
Don't use these for your BRF jars, just do a dry verm layer and save them for your grains. It's more complicated then it's worth.
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EvilMushrooms BRF Cakes Rewatch All Of The Videos
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
#20967721 - 12/12/14 05:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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it's not really rocket science. you can have a PF tek and you use dry verm as a filter with holes in the lid. you can skip the dry verm barrier and use a "grain" lid. which will have gas exchange(polyfil, tyvek, or SFD) and an injection port if you wish(Silicone or polyfil or a premade rubber injection port) look up a lid tek if you're still confused.
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: taGyo]
#20968002 - 12/12/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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taGyo said:
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Cryptology said: Also, Can this be done for BRF because It seems with the way you have the single innoc port setup that only one side can be properly innoc'd
Don't use these for your BRF jars, just do a dry verm layer and save them for your grains. It's more complicated then it's worth.
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Cryptology said: PErhaps a nice, clean writeup reference !
EvilMushrooms BRF Cakes Rewatch All Of The Videos
Not trying to poke here, just curious.
But I have 20 SFD's coming. I was planning on using one or two to make quarter or nickle size cutouts for which, if I wanted, I could use for the breathing ports alone provided I seal and adhere with RTV Silicon.
I was thinking to make the four holes then make ejector ports with RTV Silicone on both sides of each hole. I would still be using the verm as well. However, since I'd be clogging the ventilation with the Silicone seals I'd make a 1/8 (or 1/4) inch port in the middle and Apply one of the quarter/nickle sized cut outs of the SFD.
Does any of the make sense? I have a ton of supply... I am not so worried about conservation since the SFD's are re-useable if not puncture. I could permanently affix these to any breathing holes for my BRF projects of the future. Is this all silly?
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
#20968013 - 12/12/14 06:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: it's not really rocket science. you can have a PF tek and you use dry verm as a filter with holes in the lid. you can skip the dry verm barrier and use a "grain" lid. which will have gas exchange(polyfil, tyvek, or SFD) and an injection port if you wish(Silicone or polyfil or a premade rubber injection port) look up a lid tek if you're still confused.
Check my previous post to this one and you'll see I had a similar idea.
And.. question. If I do BRF with normal lids and no SFD / SIlicone would it feasible to cover the holes for PC with Micropore alone instead of using foil to cover and secure the lids?
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
#20968287 - 12/12/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I always used foil and no micropore. I think micropore tape is useless. foil on sterilize foil off and save the foil it gets reused at least 10 times before it's too shitty.
I do all my PF style grows with gas exchange lids and no dry verm barrier. I just inoculate with agar by taking the lids off.
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
#20968738 - 12/12/14 08:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was suggesting he skip this step because it's a lot of work for results he could achieve without all that extra manufacturing. IMO, KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).
Dry verm is proven to work and so is Bod's gas exchange method. It's really just up to you, both skin the cat well, it's all up to user variables which we can't control.
No amount of SFDs or fabricated lid will replace good sterile procedure or Pressure Cooking.
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: taGyo]
#20969009 - 12/12/14 10:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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taGyo said: I was suggesting he skip this step because it's a lot of work for results he could achieve without all that extra manufacturing. IMO, KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).
Dry verm is proven to work and so is Bod's gas exchange method. It's really just up to you, both skin the cat well, it's all up to user variables which we can't control.
No amount of SFDs or fabricated lid will replace good sterile procedure or Pressure Cooking.
Hmm, I get that. I am, like you said, examining my previous mistakes. I am also trying to add simple yet, beneficial steps.
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: Cryptology]
#20969016 - 12/12/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I recently started another BRF tek project because Munch encouraged me and I was thinking about using a tyvek filter instead of dry verm...

Then I just used the dry verm 
They're all LCs and doing well now
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Re: Looking for tips and recommandations for Shroomery Setup. (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
#20969022 - 12/12/14 10:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I always used foil and no micropore. I think micropore tape is useless. foil on sterilize foil off and save the foil it gets reused at least 10 times before it's too shitty.
I do all my PF style grows with gas exchange lids and no dry verm barrier. I just inoculate with agar by taking the lids off.
Well, that's great! Lol, I hope it's useful for something. Also, you're talking about subject matter that are, at the moment, outside my scope. However, I am checking your signature links for two references. I hope to be at your level, and tagyo in the near future.
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