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Re: Bush whacking [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #20762657 - 10/28/14 06:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Bush whacking [Re: sweeper54]
    #20766397 - 10/29/14 12:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)


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Re: Bush whacking [Re: Sundrop]
    #20767739 - 10/29/14 12:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So freaking cool. I need to put some money aside for one of these.


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Re: Bush whacking [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #20768609 - 10/29/14 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Put away LOTS of money

You need a hammock, a tarp, an under quilt and a suspension system.

Start by buying the book 'The Ultimate Hang' by Derek Hansen

check out the Hammock forum

https://www.hammockforums.net

Suspension systems

http://dutchwaregear.com

And for entertaining education check out shugemery

https://www.youtube.com/user/shugemery

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Re: Bush whacking [Re: sweeper54]
    #20769577 - 10/29/14 06:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Great links, thanks man. I was thinking of starting off with just a regular stuff sack hammock with a net over it and of course my sleeping bag. Working my way up to one of the higher end ones gradually. Great way to get off of the ground and easy to put away.


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Re: Bush whacking [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #20769604 - 10/29/14 07:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You still need some insulation under you except on the warm nights. You can get a pad in some of them.

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Re: Bush whacking [Re: sweeper54]
    #20770385 - 10/29/14 10:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, insulation is needed when it's cool, but I can do without the suspension system.  That hammock I linked comes with a mosquito net, rain fly, and straps.  It can be set up as a tent, chair, or hammock.  (Can set it up as a tent without trees)

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Re: Bush whacking [Re: Sundrop]
    #20773984 - 10/30/14 06:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good points. What about with snow on the ground?


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Re: Bush whacking [Re: goldcaphunter]
    #20775401 - 10/31/14 12:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I honestly wouldn't use it when there is snow on the ground (as a tent, but you could as a hammock with a nice pad), because it only has netting and a rain fly for protection.  I'd use my alps mountaineering tent when snow is on the ground.

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Re: Bush whacking [Re: Sundrop]
    #20781027 - 11/01/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, forester here.

Sweeper is being a bit harsh about it, but he is right when it comes to basal wounds on trees.  This is the most common way trees become infected.  We constantly have to shut down camp grounds and remove infected and damaged trees because of people notching trees.

Get some decomposable flagging.  It works great, is super cheap, and is highly visible.  This will also help keep your knife sharp, which is much more important to survival than a bread crumb trail.


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Re: Bush whacking [Re: Sundrop]
    #20794179 - 11/04/14 08:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sundrop said:
http://hennessyhammock.com/catalog/specs/expedition_asym_zip/

I have one of these, and it's bad ass.




Same one I own and use, and love it.  The rain fly works perfectly in all sorts of rain/storms if you set it up right. 

If it is under 50-55 degrees F I usually want a pad underneath me even with a 20 degree rated sleeping bag.  The under draft really effects any part of your body that is in contact with the bottom, and will become uncomfortably cold real quickly.


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Re: Bush whacking [Re: dodgem]
    #20804489 - 11/07/14 03:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hennessy hammock all the way! I have two! Fucking love them.





^^ Without the rainfly on it. Can't even remember what model that one is. I think the Explorer Ultralite Asym?
I also got the extended silnylon rainflys for less weight and extra coverage. I've camped in that thing in torrential downpours and stayed bone dry. Thanks in part I think to the extended silnylon rainfly.
I don't feel the stock rainflys give adequate enough coverage for crazy diagonal rain and shit. At least I feel much more comfortable with the extended ones.

And yes.. you DEFINITELY need either a closed cell foam pad, OR an underquilt if you want to camp under ~50 degree weather.
As a general rule of thumb, hammock camping is going to feel ~10-20 degrees colder than it actually is in the air, since you have all that free air moving under you.. you definitely need some extra insulation in cooler weather.

And protip.. don't use a down sleeping bag in a hammock. As the side your weight is on has virtually no insulation value at all. Learned that shit the hard way.
I love down bags but that should be reserved for sleeping on the ground. Unless you have a hefty underquilt to wrap under your hammock, then a down bag should be ok. But even with a close cell foam pad it doesn't really cut it in my experience. Synthetic sleeping bag for hammock camping, since you have insulation under you even when your weight is on it.

Waking up sweating on top, freezing on your back, is a weird fucking feeling. And could be dangerous in back country.

You can camp in freezing weather / snow with a hammock. But for that you pretty much NEED an underquilt.. and a good one costs about as much or more than the hammock will. Unless you are super crafty and can make your own. A closed cell foam pad will not really cut it for freezing temps in my experience... not enough coverage and not consistent enough, unless you chop up a couple of them and tape them together to make "wings" and shit. And then it basically kills the comfort of sleeping in a hammock in the first place.

The underquilt goes under the hammock, so it doesn't effect your comfort level inside the hammock, but provides a nice thick layer of insulation and dead air under you, like sleeping in a cocoon. It's the best option for cold weather camping in a hammock hands down, but a good underquilt will run you about $200-300. Last I checked and based on personal reviews.. Jack R better made the best underquilts for use with hennessys.

But hennessy themselves make a cheaper option, haven't experienced it personally, but seems good.. silnylon and an open cell foam pad that goes under the hammock, same principle as an underquilt - http://hennessyhammock.com/catalog/products/supershelter_4-season_insulation_system_1_zip/

Also for camping in REALLY cold weather.. it wouldn't hurt to have an overcover as well. I've seen/heard of people hammock camping in -40 degree weather with an underquilt, overcover, and synthetic bag rated for those temps.


And yeah gotta totally agree on the not notching trees thing.. that's not very cool.
If you must mark your trail... like dude said, get some biodegradable flagging tape... it's DIRT CHEAP, and nuclear orange (or whatever neon color) so you can't possibly miss it. Actually works BETTER than notching...
Can't say I'm a fan of just bushwhacking and hacking the fuck out of the forest either to clear a path either. Unless you are in the Jungle or thick ass growth with no possible trails anywhere.


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