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Offlinewingnutx
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Iraqis Mutilated
    #2076837 - 11/06/03 01:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Iraqis Mutilated By Saddam Band Together


Iraqis and endless suffering, first Saddam and now the occupation

BAGHDAD, November 6 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) - Some had their tongue pulled out, others an ear chopped off, and yet others had an X tattooed on their forehead.

Iraqis mutilated by the ousted regime of Saddam Hussein, notably for deserting the army, are now seeking compensation, Agence France-Presse (AFP) said.

Thanks to the newly-formed Association of Ear and Tongue Amputees and Tattooed People, Saad Kazem Abdelwahed, 28, knows he is no longer a second-class citizen.

On October 10, 1994, his right ear was cut off for deserting the army.

"We did not desert to betray our country and our people, but because we opposed Saddam's policies and his passion for war," said Haidar Mohammed, 36, who suffered the same fate as Abdelwahed and heads the 3,600-strong group.

"Not only was the ear chopped off but a deserter would also lose his ration card," he said.

Ration cards were introduced after international sanctions were imposed in 1990 when Iraq invaded Kuwait.

"His identity papers would be replaced by a document that stated: 'right ear cut for desertion'," said Saadun Naim, another victim of the punishment practiced before Saddam was ousted by a U.S.-led occupation forces on April 9.

"Anyone who uttered the slightest criticism of the regime, represented by the president or one of its members, had their tongue cut off," he said.

The association, he said, aimed to restore victims' dignity and their rights.

It has requested its members be given compensation, jobs and monthly rations.

It has also asked the health ministry to organize plastic surgery for those who had an X, or the word "dishonored", tattooed on their foreheads.

"We want to reclaim their rights before public offices and humanitarian organizations to extricate them from the abyss in which they sank," said human rights lawyer Yehya Abdelmohsen al-Itabi.

Naim said some Iraqis were punished simply for leaving home without ID cards. "Some were mutilated even after an amnesty was announced." In such cases, the defense ministry would simply send a letter of apologies.

Of the young men who were mutilated, most cannot find a wife "because Iraqi families refuse to give them their daughters," said Naim.

"All I want," says Abdelwahed, "is to regain my dignity and feel I am a citizen like any other, and not like a criminal."

"I want people to respect me and recognize that what I did was just."

He has tears in his eyes as he recounts how he lost an ear. "I tried to flee, but the guards hit me and drugged me. I woke up in a cell, with one ear missing.

"That day was the beginning of my tragedy. Every day I looked at myself in the mirror. What I saw prevented me from going out into the street."

A newly formed Iraqi Association of Ear and Tongue Amputees and Tattooed People is now seeking compensation for Iraqis mutilated by the ousted regime of Saddam Hussein, notably for deserting the army.

Earlier, a U.S. television network aired on October 30 a captured Iraqi videotape showing gruesome scenes of prisoners being tortured and executed under the regime of ousted president Saddam Hussein.



http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2003-11/06/article05.shtml


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: wingnutx]
    #2077037 - 11/06/03 02:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Just imagine what Bush, Reagan and Rumsfield could've done if they'd protested against torture instead of crawling as far up Saddams ass as they could get in the 80's.

Doesn't look like junior has learned much either:

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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: Xlea321]
    #2077479 - 11/06/03 05:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Your obsession with the Bushes is cute.

I mean a simple... yeah, that Saddam was an asshole wouldn't have looked quite so ridiculous as what you wrote.


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2077488 - 11/06/03 05:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Doesn't matter who does what, it's America's fault.



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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: wingnutx]
    #2077507 - 11/06/03 05:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

wingnutx said:
Doesn't matter who does what, it's America's fault.





Too true.


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: wingnutx]
    #2077521 - 11/06/03 05:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Could you clarify that a bit wing? Providing Saddam with intelligence to win the Iran-Iraq war, giving him billion dollar loans, shipping him chemicals to use in his (at the time) active weapons programme and not saying fuck-all about his torture?

Just try and imagine what effect it would've had on Saddam's torture regime if Bush had given the slightest hint, just the merest word in his ear that he was displeased about it and that maybe the intelligence wouldn't be quite so forthcoming.


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: Xlea321]
    #2077550 - 11/06/03 05:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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On October 10, 1994, his right ear was cut off




That was 3 years into sanctions, which I believe showed our displeasure with his behavior in general. The same sanctions that leftists worldwide wanted to lift, because it was the evil US bullying the poor Iraqis.

We are damned no matter what we do, which is why we have just quit listening to shrill naysayers and gotten down to doing what we have to do.



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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: wingnutx]
    #2077603 - 11/06/03 06:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

We are damned no matter what we do

Nope, you are damned for supporting brutal dictators and then turning on them when they won't follow orders anymore.

which is why we have just quit listening to shrill naysayers and gotten down to doing what we have to do.

If Bush had turned on Saddam for torturing his own people then you might have a point. Unfortunately, he didn't give a flying fuck about the torture.


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: wingnutx]
    #2077643 - 11/06/03 06:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Still not justified Wingnutx




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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: Learyfan]
    #2077751 - 11/06/03 06:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Did anyone just hear something shrill?


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: Xlea321]
    #2077768 - 11/06/03 06:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So what should we do about Turkey?


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2077900 - 11/06/03 07:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Baby_Hitler said:
Did anyone just hear something shrill?




What are you trying to say, BH?





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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2079169 - 11/07/03 01:54 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So what should we do about Turkey?

Make any support for them conditional on them cooling it with the torture?

Worth a try don'tcha think?


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: Xlea321]
    #2079578 - 11/07/03 04:05 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds good on paper. I wonder how it would work in real life. There's so much we want them to do/not do.


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2079625 - 11/07/03 04:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Your obsession with the Bushes is cute.

I mean a simple... yeah, that Saddam was an asshole wouldn't have looked quite so ridiculous as what you wrote.




And by the same token it wouldnt hurt you to criticise US foreign policy every once in a while. Especially as it is TOTALLY FUCKED UP.


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: GazzBut]
    #2079855 - 11/07/03 05:50 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I've said so more than once that we don't always do whats right, just that we do good far more often than we do wrong.

If you want to focus on the wrong that's fine.

It doesn't change what I said.


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Especially as it is TOTALLY FUCKED UP. 



Totally?  :lol:  Would you like some toilet paper to write that opinion with?


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2079878 - 11/07/03 06:07 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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just that we do good far more often than we do wrong.






Examples please.


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2080549 - 11/07/03 12:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds good on paper. I wonder how it would work in real life.

Only one way to find out isn't there? You think Bush should give it a shot? Say "Hey guys, quit the torture or we stop supporting you and you lose out on a whole shitload of money".

The tyrants in Turkey may be wicked, torturing, murdering bastards but I've an inkling if it came down to choosing between torturing and money, they'd go with the money.


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: Xlea321]
    #2080636 - 11/07/03 12:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I really don't see why this is so hard to grasp for the war supporters.

IF BUSH AND CO. REALLY CARED ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS AND DEMOCRACY,THERE ARE DOZENS OF COUNTRIES WORSE THAN IRAQ THEY HAVEN'T AND WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT.


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Re: Iraqis Mutilated [Re: monoamine]
    #2080644 - 11/07/03 12:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well maybe the head of the human rights commission of the UN should do something about it. O wait that's headed by Liberia...



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