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OfflineGinkophage
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The Art of Stealth * 1
    #20765649 - 10/28/14 08:45 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hello Shroomery,

I have been practicing skills and methods for some time now that you might call ninjutsu. I am not a ninja--that is to say I am not a student of the classical art--, but my expertise falls into the same category. This includes typical stealth and subversion tactics as well as some more unconventional means such as survival skills and pharmacognosy (how that ties into the greater philosophy of nijutsu is a large area for discussion).

I am interested to know if anyone would like to hear more about this, and if you have any specific questions.
Anyone who is concerned about being found by a person or entity is encouraged to contact me.

Unfortunately, for 'reasons', I cannot list my credentials.

I will give you a sample lesson:

Hiding can take two forms. The manner in which you need to hide will determine your course of action and which techniques you will use.
First, there is the threat of detection. Your enemy has physically located you, or is aware of your presence (or at least worried that you might be present) and is trying to locate you.
Second, there is threat of identification. Your enemy is aware of your existence but not your presence. In this manner, you are hidden not only in space but in society as well.
This is an important distinction to comprehend. From this, we can approach stealth as a matter of layered encounters.
The first layer, closest to you, is your physical presence and action. The outer layer is your identity. One may detect you (that is to say they perceive you as a threat and know your location) without identifying you, and one may also identify you without detecting you (you are known as a threat and possibly hunted, but you have not been found.
A random burglar in the night is detected by the homeowner.
An employee who stole money from the register is identified by the employer.
That is all for now.
Would you like to read more about this topic?
You may choose only one


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: Ginkophage]
    #20765794 - 10/28/14 09:18 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I'm more interested in being found, however I will read what you have to say.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: Jufin]
    #20765816 - 10/28/14 09:25 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You want to be found? I don't understand your comment.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: Ginkophage]
    #20766343 - 10/29/14 12:21 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

I recently released an album and want it to be found on a mass scale.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: Jufin]
    #20769120 - 10/29/14 05:27 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Here is a tip. If it is dark and you see someone who you dont want to notice you. Do not move at all, or make any noise. Even if they can see you, but its dark out their brain will not recognize you. However the moment you move their eyes will immediately latch on to you.

Its the same principal of above but if you see some one and they will not see you for a second or two, and its still dark out hard to see. What you want to do is dive for cover quietly, then proceed to not move or make any noise.

Additionally if you are white always turn your face away, since your white face will stick out. It is also good to squint the eyes if there are moving lights, because your eyes may reflect some light if hit right.

Also if you are traveling at night among trees, and there are cars driving on a road parallel to the direction you are walking. Their headlights will cause the shadows of the trees to move a certain way. You want to walk in a way as to mimic how the shadows of the trees change as the cars drive by, this will create the illusion that you are a shadow.

I have much personal experience with traveling unseen at night, these tactics do work 99% of the time for me.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: SteelPanther]
    #20774206 - 10/30/14 07:25 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

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SteelPanther said:
Here is a tip. If it is dark and you see someone who you dont want to notice you. Do not move at all, or make any noise. Even if they can see you, but its dark out their brain will not recognize you. However the moment you move their eyes will immediately latch on to you.

Its the same principal of above but if you see some one and they will not see you for a second or two, and its still dark out hard to see. What you want to do is dive for cover quietly, then proceed to not move or make any noise.

Additionally if you are white always turn your face away, since your white face will stick out. It is also good to squint the eyes if there are moving lights, because your eyes may reflect some light if hit right.

Also if you are traveling at night among trees, and there are cars driving on a road parallel to the direction you are walking. Their headlights will cause the shadows of the trees to move a certain way. You want to walk in a way as to mimic how the shadows of the trees change as the cars drive by, this will create the illusion that you are a shadow.

I have much personal experience with traveling unseen at night, these tactics do work 99% of the time for me.




Very good. I haven't heard of the tree shadow trick before. Moving at night is obviously a key skill related to stealth movement in general. I'm going to try and focus primarily on general philosophy for now. I'm also going to deal more with the "not being identified" aspect of stealth, as this seems to be a lesser known and more powerful skill set.
a man trying to pick mushrooms unseen may do so under the cover of darkness, moving quietly, sticking to cover, and paying attention to his environment. Alternately, he may walk in and pick the mushrooms in broad daylight if he has the ability to do so.
The difference here is that in one of these scenarios detection is an issue--being seen picking mushrooms sneakily at night is guaranteed to raise alarm. However, some instances may require the individual to pick at night for maximum concealment (such as in a cow field without permission), so both skill sets are important.
I will add before moving on that I have been in cow fields many times in broad daylight; actually I prefer it (I have gone night picking maybe 5 or 6 times, and day picking over a hundred times in the past decade). The same tactics apply, and a skilled individual may choose to go during the day for higher yields despite the risk. This is why I emphasize the philosophical aspect of nijutsu--there is not a one-size-fits-all book of tricks to deal with every situation.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: Ginkophage]
    #20774661 - 10/30/14 08:56 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

So, as of this post I have 6 people interested to hear more. That's good for a chapter at least :wink:

Before starting, let me emphasize that my classroom is an open forum for discussion. As long as the conversation is moving forward then we are building on what we know. From this point forward posts must be relevant to the topic at hand, but discussion is encouraged.

I'm going to back up from the sample post and start at the beginning:




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When we talk about nijutsu, we are dealing with a word that invokes strong imagery for most people worldwide. This image, this black-clad shinobi scaling castles and assassinating VIPs with the flip of a wrist... that is not what I'm teaching. The skills required of the shinobi of feudal Japan were tailor-made for the era. A Ninja had to be able to make black powder, impersonate a traveling merchant, and engage sword-wielding badasses with iron claws. They developed these skills and many others out of a central philosophy.
Ninjutsu roughly translates to "Skills of Perseverance". The original ninja was a Navy SEAL, 007, and survival expert rolled into one because that's what was needed for him to succeed in his mission.
He was an expert at surviving under any circumstances. He was centered, balanced, and aware of the bigger picture and how he fit into it. Many eastern philosophies emphasize going with the flow. Many western philosophies emphasize going against it. Ninjutsu teaches us that one must be willing to go with the flow, against it, cross-ways, or any combination of these in order to achieve one's ultimate goals with the greatest certainty.

How does this relate to the Art of Stealth? Why are the two so integrally linked?
Ninjutsu is a way of life, but ninjas are a product of society. They understand that the will of an entire civilization is an awesome power to the individual, and the only way to overcome that force (especially when it is directed against you) is to step outside of it--to become invisible.
We must recognize that in dealing with groups of people however large or small, even most individuals, we are dealing on some level with the entity that is our/your government and it's People. To act invisible to the will of another person who is acting in tandem with the will of society, is to be free of both.
By living his life outside of this force, the ninja is free to act as he sees fit.


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The first step toward invisibility can be one of two things: lowering your profile (silhouette) or centering your being.

Becoming centered should be first, but lowering one's exposure to scrutiny can be done easily and without much skill. You just need some facts and then act on those facts, so we're going to talk about that first.

1.) Scramble Your Communications!

The modern ninja needs to be tech savvy. This is a VITAL skill, and it will be emphasized and expanded on later. For now, you must do what you can with some simple steps. First, get the Tor Browser. Use it whenever possible. Download NoScripts! and leave it on by default (you should only turn it off for specific things, not the other way around). These two things alone will decrease your internet profile considerably. Next, for the love of god stop using social networking sites to advertise your every thought and desire. Erase all personal information, use blurry photos, and only use your network of choice for staying in touch with friends and loved ones. Communicate by other means whenever possible.

Get a disposable phone. For the time being, these phones are totally anonymous (but the U.S. Government will probably "fix that problem" before too long). These phones are generally cheaper anyway and always cost less to use. You can get some badass smart phones without a contract.

2.) Get Out of the Line of Fire!

Stop driving your car everywhere. Anytime you can walk, ride a bike, or take a bus is one more time the cops didn't pull you over. It's their number one tool in harassing you. Walking will effectively eliminate this.
Stop telling the government where you are all the time, and I'm not talking about your iPhone. Get a roommate and don't get on the lease. If that becomes unmanageable, move somewhere else and resume. If you are a homeowner then this will be impossible for you but there are some tricks you can still use (see Drop Box below). Don't update your driver's license when you move! Eventually you may have to do this, but stall for as long as possible.
Get a Drop Box for your mail. This is like a P.O. Box except it's a real address. Have all your mail sent there instead of your house.
The most invisible option is to become homeless. Obviously this isn't for everyone, but it can be done comfortably. For some people, the government is breathing down the back your neck and you may need to do this. For everyone else, I strongly recommend that you take some time out of your life, even if for a weekend at a time, and sleep outside like a homeless person. practice both urban and wilderness survival techniques. Much more on that later.
Work for yourself. This is also a very difficult step to make, but one which most people dream about and few people regret. Do it. Go out into the world and learn how to "kill and eat".

If the Man wants to harass you, he will either do it in your car, at your home, or at your place of work. Eliminate these three things and you are nearly invisible already. For most of us, elimination is not an option at this point. Make it an option. You may not ever have a need to go this far, but you will always feel better knowing you have that option. Always live as closely as possible to that level of invisibility.

Now let's talk about the other first step, centering yourself:
Most of you on this site have some experience with Psilocybe mushrooms. Good. These are a magnificent tool for finding balance in your life.
The importance of doing this cannot be overstated. For practical reasons, being at peace will increase your awareness. You will be more alert, more active, and better able to cope with difficult situations. This is not optional.
A good way to start is to practice "forced calm". Find time (in fact start now) to make yourself calm. It sounds easy, and it is. That's why it's a good first step. The more you force it, however, the more resistance your mind will create. Something will annoy you. Something will make you angry. Something will not go your way. When you first start practicing this skill you will find that it doesn't calm you down very much at all (especially with anger), but you still need to force yourself to act calm. Just try looking calm. Don't say or do things that show your conflicting emotion. Looking the part is the first step in learning the skill. Our body takes cues from our mind and vice versa. If you force your body to be calm, then it is a natural physiological response for your mind to follow suit. Concert musicians will sometimes take blood-pressure medication before a show to relieve stress. The drug only effects the body directly, but by lowering their blood-pressure they get a sense of calmness in the body that reinforces that feeling in their mind.
At first your mind may win the fight, but with practice you can overcome your emotions and return to a state of peace. After a while you will notice that you are slower to upset and quick to get over it. You will stop fuming over a bitter moment within minutes instead of stressing all day over it. You will start to notice other things too. Life will slowly begin coming into focus again.
Eventually, after battling yourself and your habits with your new learned "forced calm" for some time, you will find that your affect has changed. The calm is no longer forced. It has become your default state. This is your goal. The skill will remain useful, but you do not need to struggle with learning it anymore.
The ninja is always calm, even under the most intense situations. Even adrenaline does not panic him, but instead fuels his mind into a hyper-aware supercalm. Armed only with himself, the ninja is a deadly enemy.

That is all for now.


Edited by Ginkophage (10/30/14 09:01 PM)


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: Ginkophage]
    #20774823 - 10/30/14 09:31 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

For those of you who would rather study on your own, I am making a list of skills (an analog of the famous "18 ninja skills" of old) that are essential to practicing stealth.

1.) Urban Survival - procurement, homeless living, city navigation, etc...

2) Wilderness Survival - bushcraft, hunting/fishing/trapping, botony/mycology, navigation, prudence, etc...

3.) Pharmacognosy - for this list, Pharmacognosy means a combination of drug knowledge and herbalism. Herbalism was emphasized in the old list and is still important knowledge today, but modern medicine is even more powerful and one should have at least a 'working knowledge' of pharmacology and various RX drugs.

4.) Improvised Weaponry & Combat - situational awareness, environmental awareness (seeing paths and objects), fighting techniques, this deals with using unconventional tactics to surprise and overwhelm your enemy (i.e. throwing a harmless stack of papers in your opponents face as a last-second distraction, etc...)

5.) Par Kour - running and jumping and climbing like a ninja...

6.) Firearms Proficiency - learn how to operate a rifle, then learn to shoot it, then learn to clean it, then repeat these steps with handguns

7.) Communications Technology - everything from cellphones to the internet, extremely vital ninja skills in the modern era

8.) Social Engineering - making your interviewer believe you are a Ph.D scientist, convincing a cop you are a mildly retarded country boy, reading people and their body language, spotting an undercover cop or security guard, a million other insanely powerful abilities, etc...

9.) Incognito - related to Social Engineering but more old fashioned. This deals specifically with impersonating another individual (or stereotype), and is important enough by itself to have its own category

10.) Proximal Stealth - hiding, moving quietly and/or unnoticed, elegance & finesse, using cover and darkness, all skills and tactics dealing specifically with being invisible to the senses.

Each of these 10 skill sets is a discipline unto itself and should be considered thoughtfully.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: Ginkophage]
    #20830542 - 11/13/14 06:21 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Is this thread about how to sneak around, or is it about how to keep off the radar? That is, are you explaining how to lay low from government/state or people in general?

I would like it if you gave a lesson on freeganism and where to find quality food for free - whether it be out of a dumpster or from a small potato plot.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: Ginkophage]
    #20893007 - 11/26/14 12:29 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

OP, please add some more. I have been following this thread and find it very interesting


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #20894581 - 11/26/14 07:43 PM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I just found this thread..awesome. Please give us more, very intersting.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: kmetric]
    #20912761 - 12/01/14 02:59 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

If I have free time and have the mental energy to post Il post some stuff in this thread. What kind of stealth are you guys most interested in?


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: SteelPanther]
    #20913552 - 12/01/14 05:47 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I've always found knowledge like this, useful to have. I read a book or two on social engineering and urban exploration, but I'm always seeking new knowledge, so I'll definitely be following this thread. :yesnod:


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #20915471 - 12/02/14 01:56 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

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4HO-DMT said:
OP, please add some more. I have been following this thread and find it very interesting




book suggestions welcomed as well


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: t00th]
    #20915880 - 12/02/14 07:41 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Just a quick thing, I know its not much but I figured I'd post it in here this morning. If you are driving, don't do anything to stand out, literally. If most of the cars are going a certain speed, a certain distance from each other, you should do the same. If you see a cop out of the corner of your eye do not turn your head to look, or even think about the cop, go on as if it is not there.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: SteelPanther]
    #20938441 - 12/06/14 04:09 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I am very interested in hearing more!


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: Groo]
    #20938480 - 12/06/14 04:17 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

To be completely honest I am not going to spend any time thinking about what to post here. If I use a technique and happen to be thinking about it, and remember to come on here Il post it, but if some people ask some questions about situations Il reply. I just have so much stuff in my head, and other things I'm focusing on so if no one asks about a certain situation or anything, I won't be thinking about it.

Il say this since I happen to be thinking about it. If you are picking up or selling drugs and you are meeting some one in public you want to do this: If you are driving park your car somewhere and get out for a walk. Walk far enough that anyone who could have seen you get out of your car can no longer see you, now meet the other person and get in their car. Drive according to all laws so you don't get pulled over, and do the transaction in the car. The person who got in the car should exit the car somewhere new, once again so no one from earlier can see you exit the car. Now walk out of sight from anyone who could see you get out of the car and walk back to where you started.

This ensures that no one sees whats going on. Some people see you get out of your car for a walk, some people see you get in a car, some people see you get out of a car and walk somewhere, and some people see you returning from your walk. Overall the only things it looks like you are doing is taking a walk, or leaving/getting dropped off by friends.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: SteelPanther]
    #20938554 - 12/06/14 04:32 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Just a short piece of advice for any situation where you have to scope out an area beforehand. Always take a different car to scope it out than the car you are going to drive when you actually do whatever. Remember, for anything illegal you do, speed is your friend, the faster you do something ( as fast as you can do it well ) the less likely you are to bee seen or caught.

If ever seen doing something you shouldn't be doing do not get anxious or nervous. Go on as if you are supposed to be doing that, but obviously do not do anything unnecessary that reveals more details about yourself.  Do whatever you need to do to seem normal but do not do anything that makes you more unique. If you have to look at people, look at them and seem normal but if you don't have to look at people try and keep your face turned away, or even partially turned away. Now some situations are completely different, if its clear that some one will ask if they saw anyone doing what you did keep your face turned.

Another tip, wear clothing types you don't normally wear. If you have anything identifying about you such as tattoos or muscles cover them up. I am muscular so I wear long sleeved shirts if I want to be more discrete. Also keep in mind facial hair can drastically change your appearance, along with your hair. Get creative if you want to disguise yourself. I have had situations where I looked like a completely different person.

Listen to your gut. If your gut tells you to get the hell out, do it. If it tells you something isn't right, something isn't right. Subconsciously you know whats going on before your conscious mind knows.

These are just thins that came to mind right now, sorry if they are not useful for you guys reading this. Like I said before, give me something to go on.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: SteelPanther]
    #20945253 - 12/07/14 10:35 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Could you recommend some good books on this topic and similar topics to it?


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: hectorftw]
    #20948197 - 12/08/14 04:23 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

sorry no, I only learn these kinds of things from experience


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: XUL]
    #21037570 - 12/28/14 11:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

XUL said:
Is this thread about how to sneak around, or is it about how to keep off the radar? That is, are you explaining how to lay low from government/state or people in general?

I would like it if you gave a lesson on freeganism and where to find quality food for free - whether it be out of a dumpster or from a small potato plot.



i was thinking the same thing. i'll re-read this in the morning when i'm not drinking.

But for now, there's a book called "Evasion" that reminds me of your post. The publishers CrimethInc talk about this kind of material. I think they were more of an anarchist type of mindset.

It worked out nicely for me though since i was already a street kid at the time of reading it. The story is pretty detailed about the guy's experiences on how to travel, steal, dumpster dive, and do other things. All on first hand account. I also share his love for bagels. :grin:

Interesting book.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: nannybooboo]
    #21159985 - 01/21/15 09:50 PM (9 years, 8 days ago)

Social engineering in particular stands out to me. I just received two of Christopher Hadnagy's books. Reading them now. I'll be following this thread.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: shaun0fthedeaD]
    #21161236 - 01/22/15 06:25 AM (9 years, 8 days ago)

Dakota fire holes are used for stealth when camping.

It is a fire hole with a tunnel that leads to another hole so that the smoke is more dissipated.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: XUL]
    #21164820 - 01/22/15 08:33 PM (9 years, 7 days ago)

How to be Invisible is a good book on how to reduce your "footprint" as much as possible.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: AcidAstronaut]
    #21211792 - 02/01/15 03:58 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

To walk more silently, when your lead foot is about to touch the ground allow the heal to touch gently without making noise. When it has full contact with the ground push off with your back foot as you lower your leading foot along the outer side of it. This is so that as you relieve weight from the back foot you are smoothly putting that weight into your front foot which is already on the ground.

There are many other ways to walk quietly but I just felt like I would post this


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: SteelPanther]
    #21286077 - 02/16/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 11 months ago)

This thread has great potential I am interested to hear more random stealth tactics.
Also more specifically are there any encryption programs that anyone could suggest for bitcoin transfers and messages?


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: AGUARES]
    #21286942 - 02/17/15 09:05 AM (8 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry I don't know tech stuff


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: SteelPanther]
    #21350700 - 03/02/15 04:34 AM (8 years, 10 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #21579978 - 04/22/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

moar


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: AGUARES]
    #21719840 - 05/25/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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AGUARES said:
This thread has great potential I am interested to hear more random stealth tactics.
Also more specifically are there any encryption programs that anyone could suggest for bitcoin transfers and messages?




Hi, bit of a late reply but if you're still looking for encryption programs then gpg4win is quite a popular one. Used by very many successfully and there are a few good tutorials to get you nicely acquainted with it.


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Re: The Art of Stealth [Re: HyperboreanDream]
    #21719845 - 05/25/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Also like to say just come across this thread and found it very interesting. Will be keeping my eyes peeled for - hopefully - any more info that's to come.  :peace:


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