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Rose
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Hashfinger]
#20756718 - 10/26/14 06:53 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your chances of failure are high enough if you try and do it exactly as shown. I promise.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#20756874 - 10/26/14 07:26 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rose said: Your chances of failure are high enough if you try and do it exactly as shown. I promise.
Wait what? Come again? Am I high or am I high?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Rose]
#20756880 - 10/26/14 07:27 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rose said: Your chances of failure are high enough if you try and do it exactly as shown. I promise.
Fo sure. 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#20757235 - 10/26/14 08:44 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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most people read and do it and then post pictures, the PF tek directions are great but most people cant follow every single direction, most people will make great cakes and then fuck the fruiting chamber part all up if they even get that far. Just asking basic questions = you'll probably have a hard time, the info you need is out there if you can't research well enough to pull off a PF tek on your own then I would suspect I don't have the highest hopes
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta]
#20757284 - 10/26/14 08:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: most people read and do it and then post pictures, the PF tek directions are great but most people cant follow every single direction, most people will make great cakes and then fuck the fruiting chamber part all up if they even get that far. Just asking basic questions = you'll probably have a hard time, the info you need is out there if you can't research well enough to pull off a PF tek on your own then I would suspect I don't have the highest hopes
All of the methods for acquiring the right substrate and nutrients, incubation and/or fruiting temps and humidity, air-exchanges, etc., is outlined in detail in The Mushroom Cultivator by Paul Stamets. The book is a wealth of information and has some great reference charts. When you get down to the bones, does it really matter exactly how you do it so as long as you're satisfying what the mushrooms need to thrive?
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Hashfinger]
#20757298 - 10/26/14 09:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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TMC is pretty dated. it's very relevant in some ways and complete trash in others. It's suggestion that 86F is a good temp for colonization is bad info. it's nearly 45 years old.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta]
#20757305 - 10/26/14 09:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: TMC is pretty dated. it's very relevant in some ways and complete trash in others. It's suggestion that 86F is a good temp for colonization is bad info. it's nearly 45 years old.
Truth. Advances have been made since that book was published.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TheMustardTiger]
#20757333 - 10/26/14 09:10 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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we still don't have everything dialed out perfectly, if you think you're done learning or optimizing then you're fucked. there's cheap ways to do the best possible things for yields too so it's not like you're buying high tech shit.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: TheMustardTiger]
#20757334 - 10/26/14 09:11 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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TMC is pretty dated. I never read it but things like incubation as bodhi stated, or pictures of normal casings being labeled as "overlay" tend to mess more people up that not. Fact is that the best collection of current relevant info on cubensis cultivation exists right here on the boards.
Cubes are pretty damn hardy tho. I did my first cake grow before I knew about this place under the guidance of a friend of mine. When I look back at the things he had me do and it blows my mind that I even got a cake to colonize, let alone fruits. But cubes are tough and I had a harvest then caught the bug
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Pastywhyte]
#20757358 - 10/26/14 09:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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cubes grew in fish tanks with drip shields. they're easy to grow but for the same price as that shitty tank you can put them in a cheap SGFC and they'll do way better. things have come a long way since then. Cubes don't even get overlay is another thing too.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta]
#20757418 - 10/26/14 09:29 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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True that, my last pan grow could teach people what the fuck overlay actually is
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13shrooms
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: Hashfinger]
#20757512 - 10/26/14 09:48 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: One brand I like to use for gardening comes pre-composted and pasteurized. Now, who knows if normal bacteria will still be present but yeah its not just straight poo's out of the barn. Lol. What are your thoughts on coffee grounds or soaking grain in coffee teas before sterilizing?
If you're going to use rye or birdseed, I would recommend adding some coffee to the soak water. Using coffee as a bulk substrate seems to work well too. 
Whatdya think about just mixing brf, spent coffee grounds, and verm?
crumble your cakes to coir verm and dont case.
you want double the amount of substrate as you have cakes.
look at this tek and instead of using the grain jars use your crumbled cakes as spawn. 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595#11916595
of course you will have to scale it down for the amount of spawn you have unless you have more than 24 cakes ready to go for a whole monotub.
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Hashfinger
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: 13shrooms]
#20757554 - 10/26/14 10:03 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: One brand I like to use for gardening comes pre-composted and pasteurized. Now, who knows if normal bacteria will still be present but yeah its not just straight poo's out of the barn. Lol. What are your thoughts on coffee grounds or soaking grain in coffee teas before sterilizing?
If you're going to use rye or birdseed, I would recommend adding some coffee to the soak water. Using coffee as a bulk substrate seems to work well too. 
Whatdya think about just mixing brf, spent coffee grounds, and verm?
crumble your cakes to coir verm and dont case.
you want double the amount of substrate as you have cakes.
look at this tek and instead of using the grain jars use your crumbled cakes as spawn. 
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595#11916595
of course you will have to scale it down for the amount of spawn you have unless you have more than 24 cakes ready to go for a whole monotub. 
That is in essence what I had in mind, only way smaller scale. Thanks that was a helpful read! Nice photos too.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion Here Only Please [Re: bodhisatta]
#20757782 - 10/26/14 11:15 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: TMC is... nearly 45 years old.
I preordered it in '83... ...slightly well used by this point
I suspect it's more about a way of thinking about cultivation than anything else. Experiment and learn. 
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: PrimalSoup]
#20758472 - 10/27/14 06:16 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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You should head over to the mushroom cultivation forum and start a thread. Most people are going to tell you to use this technique: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11585613 (PF Tek)
And when using it for the first time, there is no need for creativity or anything like that, just follow the procedures. Casing, spawning to bulk, and everything else that doesn't involve PF tek is best down once you've finished at least one good PF project (and the yields can be pretty awesome, still have some from a PF 2 years ago). The main reason for this is you'll understand the process more, as well as the mushroom life cycle and all that. I actually find the grain/spawning stuff to be *easier* than PF cakes but besides requiring a PC, you need to know how to pastuerize, how to prepare grain, what to do at each step, etc. It's easy stuff but it's a process that needs to be learned. I actually do not discourage new people who wanna start with a mono or something right away... If you know what you're doing, awesome. But I would suggest to just do it the easy way, start with PF tek.
You said something like "I won't be shotgunning". You do need to use a SGFC (bin with holes and perlite at the bottom) to fruit cakes. It's quite easy to make.
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Fractal420]
#20758481 - 10/27/14 06:22 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never understood why people crumble cakes. Cakes are annoying to make and if you made one just fruit it! If you're gonna use as spawn, why not use a grain? The absolute only way I can see this happening is if someone doesn't have a PC, doesn't wanna order those pre-sterilized bags (they're like 6 bucks and 2 lbs of WBS), or use that "fractional" technique for sterilizing their grain, if it's like that, I understand. Or if someone just has no idea how to prepare grains and just does not want to learn, I don't see why that would be though
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Fractal420]
#20758505 - 10/27/14 06:36 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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he didnt have a pc so I recommended crumbling cakes for bulk. I did it my 1st grow and it worked great. its an easy step into bulk without buying a pc.
and with D5050s coir tek it doesnt get any easier without a pc or grains to prep. yes I agree cakes are a pain to prep but you use what you got right?
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: 13shrooms]
#20758682 - 10/27/14 08:32 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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^i get what you mean, it's a step. After finishing PF tek I thought "okay what should I do to challenge myself at learning mycology but also stay within the realm of my abilities. Aka "what's the next step after PF" and to me that was grain and spawning to bulk. I didn't do anything else with cakes besides use them as cakes, because I remember reading that there's no point when grains are meant* for this purpose (being "crumbled" to begin with), from RR or something. And I just followed the grain prep stuff, learned grains but actually I didn't think to use a monotub till more recently. I'd just colonize Rye/Gyp and spawn run in a container, and fruit in an SGFC instead of the typical mono. It's SO much more maintenance, but somehow I still think it's probably somehow better than monotub for the mushrooms (although mono is still really really awesome, for no work at all, so...I'm not knocking the tubs they're amazing, I just feel like they grow faster and probably have a "better time" in an SGFC than the sort of neglectful tub setting for some reason, it's like leaving your kid to grow up with all the food and water they need, but just that...no guidance or love...lol..)
If that makes sense to anyone. But monos are so awesome and useful and I don't really do anything actively now but if I do I don't see myself using aN SGFC much for cubes).
But point is, my step was continuing SGFC stuff with coir and rye bricks. So, everyone has something like that. I understand why it's a stepping stone. People can't just jump from PF straight into a monotub, usually
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Edited by Fractal420 (10/27/14 08:34 AM)
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Fractal420]
#20758775 - 10/27/14 09:27 AM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. I guess was convinced a SGFC was when you used a gallon ziploc with some perlite in there... But yeah I'm going to just do PF cakes I have an eerie feeling the syringe could be bunk... So we'll see if I can get a few jars prepped and knocked up today. I will try and get pics going in a new thread. I am no stranger to mycology. I thoroughly understand the mushrooms' life cycles and have never ventured into growing mushrooms because I always was able to find them in the wild!
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Re: Strain Thread-Strain Discussion HERE ONLY Please [Re: Hashfinger]
#20759422 - 10/27/14 01:09 PM (9 years, 4 months ago) |
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well then what you need are these videos 
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
just sample clips but they get the point across
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