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An experiment for the Democratic party
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I'd like to conduct a small, quick experiment, all you lefties have to do is tell me what the liberal party is for. Why does it exist?


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Edited by rommstein2001 (11/06/03 02:01 PM)

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
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The liberal party? You mean the Democratic party? They're the party of diversity. There are some things they generally tend to stand for, but they represent so many different groups that it's hard to say that they stand for any one thing, other than diversity.


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
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Yes I mean the Democratic party, sorry. I mean, if it's an organized party it has to have a central belief system or ideals or it's not an organized party at all, so what in your opinions are they?


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
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I forget who it was that said this: "I belong to no organized political party. I am a Democrat." So the Democrats aren't organized. What's your point?


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
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That makes no sense to me. A bunch of people banding together in the name of not being organized? Anyway I have no point to make YET, at least not untill I get a few replies.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
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Well, as I said, the main theme is diversity, and from that comes tolerance and understanding, which is why the Democrats have championed causes like civil rights. Of course, sometimes they take it too far, like with affirmative action or "PC" language, but it's still the same theme.


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
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Liberal Democrats are generally more concerned with civil rights, free speach, diversity, social programs, keynsian economic ideas, more restrictions on big bussiness, environmental issues, public health and saftey issues, separation of church state, education, federal over state power, govt funded medical care, more progressive taxes that take the burden off of the poor, support for the arts, gun control, research grants, pro-choice legislation, larger taxes for corporations, and less privitisation of government programs than their republic counterparts. However, both parties are very complicated and political views vary among their constituents.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Demiurge]
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The purpose of the democratic party is to channel the support of the working class, minorities, and the oppressed into the dead end policies of the capitalist system. Every protest you see, there is a democrat (usually Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson) attempting to get votes for the party that does the same shit when they get to power. The only reason why people still vote democrat is because it is seen as a "lesser evil", not because they think it'll actually bring changes. For that, you need a socialist revolution.

The DPs pretensions to be against war, or racism are so false. Al Sharpton (or Jesse Jackson) once filed a "friends of the court" brief in New York supporting the Ku Klux Klan! How disgusting! And of course, the DP was completely for the war on Iraq (as long as it had UN support), even though it fraudulently tried to channel the anti-war support to their party.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Demiurge]
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Dont call the Democraps "liberals" or "lefties". Those that do fall into that category deserve some credit, such as Dennis Kucinich. At the same time, however, it is foolish for them to remain attached to the Democratic party while its leaders quietly orchestrate what amounts to a corporate merger with the Re-poops. The progressive Democratic caucus in Congress should bolt and form a new party if they wish to have two parties in the future.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
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generally socially minded, pro choice and pro union.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
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Why does it exist?

illusion of choice

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: infidelGOD]
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^^^^
:smile: :smile: :smile:

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: DoctorJ]
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Well the experiment hasn't turned out well, but I'll tell you what I believe anyway. The democratic party has no core belief system. In the 1950's 60's and 70's it was racial equality, now it is Minority empowerment. When it was about giving money to the little people, it is now about greed<<Please note that statement is a personal opinion. I have nothing to back that up, although I can back up the racial claims.>> Although you say you are about taxing the rich and relieving the poor, do you even realize that $30 grand and under with 1 child gets back more than they put in? $50k and under with 3 children and a wife get back more than they put in. In fact, the "top 1%" pay 90% of the taxes. [/endrant]


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
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Democrats should get their shit together!

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
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damn double post sorry.

Edited by The_Red_Crayon (11/06/03 02:44 PM)

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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The way I see it, the Democrats are more of a coalition than a party, and I like it that way. It's generally more liberal than the Republicans, but they don't have these mindless mantras that the Republicans have. It's a party for just about anyone who isn't happy with the Republicans. Since we know that the chances of a third-party candidate winning in this country are slim to nil, at least we can work for change within the Democratic party.


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
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eh i must say you prove a good point

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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I agree completely with silversoul7. Well stated!


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
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What I want to know is when are we gonna do away with this worthless system?


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Shroomism]
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Maybe when we find a better system. Unfortunately that hasn't happened. As Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst system possible, except for all those others that have been tried." Or something like that.


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
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Can't find a better system if we keep using the same one that doesn't work.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Shroomism]
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So what are going to do? Just overthrow the government and live in anarchy and chaos until someone figures out something better? I think we need to have a new system in mind before we try to replace the old one.


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
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Quote:
So what are going to do? Just overthrow the government and live in anarchy and chaos until someone figures out something better? 



That works...  :grin:

No seriously.. I have this book that has a new Constitution for the people of Earth.. best shit I ever read. Unfortunately it's somewhere else so maybe I'll get it later. Basically is like.. We the people or Earth.. in order to form a more harmonious union.. free will..blah blah..no borders.. blah blah.. embrace humanity.. blah blah.. send murderers to greenland where they will be learned instead of locked away and taught how to kill better.. blah blah.. no intrusion of government.. major decisions will be made by all citizens via control pads..like who wants to be a millionaire style.. the only government will be a council of 12 wise dudes who are really chosen by the people instead of some phony election, and the only power they will have is to make final decisions when the people can't decide.. grow food.. blah blah.. barter system..blah blah.. 


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Shroomism]
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Doesn't sound like whoever wrote that book was a government major. :smirk:


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
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I dont think going through a period of anarchy to find a better system is the best way! I think the present system just needs to keep mutating. Increased democracy is what we need. Votes on individual issues rather than personalities.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
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That's because the government sucks  :smirk:
No..but I'm sure I skewed it a lot.. I am tired as fuck, and I haven't read it in a good year.. I could be fucking it all up. Whatever


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Shroomism]
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Well, I might consider reading it, but it sounds like another one of those whacked-out utopias that don't work in real life, like communism or laissez-faire capitalism.


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire

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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
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In my eyes, this government system has corrupted past the point where diplomacy and politics can fix it, I'm just waiting till I can organize the revolution. :wink:
But yeah, that whole global community idea doesn't sound like it would pan out. Something like that would require quite a large and centralized government, as well as several also large but more local governments. Abuse of power would soon follow.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
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Personally I think anarchy would be the best choice, although not the commonly percieved anarchy. There would have to be people with power punish the murderers, organize detective agencies for finding murders and thieves, etc. Anarchy only in the aspect of freedom. What's yours is yours, if you want to give it to someone that's your choice. Either that or a decentralized socialistic community, as in many very small communities, such as american indiana style. I'm not really too big on that though.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
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>>the only government will be a council of 12 wise dudes who are
>>really chosen by the people instead of some phony election

Since when has the general public supported anyone with a even scrap of wisdom or intelligence? I'd rather throw the election to a flock of sheep then find out who the general public thinks is "wise" enough to govern my ass.

And "the only government?" Those 12 wise dudes must be android super-humans or something to manage an entire nation by themselves.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Demiurge]
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Demiurge said:
Those 12 wise dudes must be android super-humans or something to manage an entire nation by themselves.


You're on to something there, take it to it's logical conclusion.


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