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 Shroomism
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 Re: An experiment for the lefties  [Re: silversoul7]
#2079475 - 11/07/03 01:19 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Can't find a better system if we keep using the same one that doesn't work.
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Shroomism]
#2079623 - 11/07/03 02:25 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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So what are going to do? Just overthrow the government and live in anarchy and chaos until someone figures out something better? I think we need to have a new system in mind before we try to replace the old one.
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
#2079663 - 11/07/03 02:44 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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So what are going to do? Just overthrow the government and live in anarchy and chaos until someone figures out something better?
That works... 
No seriously.. I have this book that has a new Constitution for the people of Earth.. best shit I ever read. Unfortunately it's somewhere else so maybe I'll get it later. Basically is like.. We the people or Earth.. in order to form a more harmonious union.. free will..blah blah..no borders.. blah blah.. embrace humanity.. blah blah.. send murderers to greenland where they will be learned instead of locked away and taught how to kill better.. blah blah.. no intrusion of government.. major decisions will be made by all citizens via control pads..like who wants to be a millionaire style.. the only government will be a council of 12 wise dudes who are really chosen by the people instead of some phony election, and the only power they will have is to make final decisions when the people can't decide.. grow food.. blah blah.. barter system..blah blah..
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Shroomism]
#2079679 - 11/07/03 02:51 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Doesn't sound like whoever wrote that book was a government major. 
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
#2079772 - 11/07/03 03:13 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I dont think going through a period of anarchy to find a better system is the best way! I think the present system just needs to keep mutating. Increased democracy is what we need. Votes on individual issues rather than personalities.
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
#2079788 - 11/07/03 03:18 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's because the government sucks
No..but I'm sure I skewed it a lot.. I am tired as fuck, and I haven't read it in a good year.. I could be fucking it all up. Whatever
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Shroomism]
#2081426 - 11/07/03 03:19 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I might consider reading it, but it sounds like another one of those whacked-out utopias that don't work in real life, like communism or laissez-faire capitalism.
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
#2082020 - 11/07/03 07:02 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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In my eyes, this government system has corrupted past the point where diplomacy and politics can fix it, I'm just waiting till I can organize the revolution. 
But yeah, that whole global community idea doesn't sound like it would pan out. Something like that would require quite a large and centralized government, as well as several also large but more local governments. Abuse of power would soon follow.
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
#2082045 - 11/07/03 07:07 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Personally I think anarchy would be the best choice, although not the commonly percieved anarchy. There would have to be people with power punish the murderers, organize detective agencies for finding murders and thieves, etc. Anarchy only in the aspect of freedom. What's yours is yours, if you want to give it to someone that's your choice. Either that or a decentralized socialistic community, as in many very small communities, such as american indiana style. I'm not really too big on that though.
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
#2084150 - 11/08/03 01:53 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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>>the only government will be a council of 12 wise dudes who are
>>really chosen by the people instead of some phony election
Since when has the general public supported anyone with a even scrap of wisdom or intelligence? I'd rather throw the election to a flock of sheep then find out who the general public thinks is "wise" enough to govern my ass.
And "the only government?" Those 12 wise dudes must be android super-humans or something to manage an entire nation by themselves.
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Demiurge]
#2084156 - 11/08/03 01:57 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Demiurge said:
Those 12 wise dudes must be android super-humans or something to manage an entire nation by themselves.
You're on to something there, take it to it's logical conclusion.
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