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An experiment for the Democratic party
    #2075473 - 11/06/03 01:09 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to conduct a small, quick experiment, all you lefties have to do is tell me what the liberal party is for. Why does it exist?


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
    #2075547 - 11/06/03 01:30 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The liberal party? You mean the Democratic party? They're the party of diversity. There are some things they generally tend to stand for, but they represent so many different groups that it's hard to say that they stand for any one thing, other than diversity.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
    #2075557 - 11/06/03 01:33 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yes I mean the Democratic party, sorry. I mean, if it's an organized party it has to have a central belief system or ideals or it's not an organized party at all, so what in your opinions are they?


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
    #2075572 - 11/06/03 01:36 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I forget who it was that said this: "I belong to no organized political party. I am a Democrat." So the Democrats aren't organized. What's your point?


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
    #2075613 - 11/06/03 01:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

That makes no sense to me. A bunch of people banding together in the name of not being organized? Anyway I have no point to make YET, at least not untill I get a few replies.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
    #2075646 - 11/06/03 01:54 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Well, as I said, the main theme is diversity, and from that comes tolerance and understanding, which is why the Democrats have championed causes like civil rights. Of course, sometimes they take it too far, like with affirmative action or "PC" language, but it's still the same theme.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
    #2076135 - 11/06/03 06:07 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Liberal Democrats are generally more concerned with civil rights, free speach, diversity, social programs, keynsian economic ideas, more restrictions on big bussiness, environmental issues, public health and saftey issues, separation of church state, education, federal over state power, govt funded medical care, more progressive taxes that take the burden off of the poor, support for the arts, gun control, research grants, pro-choice legislation, larger taxes for corporations, and less privitisation of government programs than their republic counterparts. However, both parties are very complicated and political views vary among their constituents.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Demiurge]
    #2076172 - 11/06/03 07:00 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The purpose of the democratic party is to channel the support of the working class, minorities, and the oppressed into the dead end policies of the capitalist system. Every protest you see, there is a democrat (usually Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson) attempting to get votes for the party that does the same shit when they get to power. The only reason why people still vote democrat is because it is seen as a "lesser evil", not because they think it'll actually bring changes. For that, you need a socialist revolution.

The DPs pretensions to be against war, or racism are so false. Al Sharpton (or Jesse Jackson) once filed a "friends of the court" brief in New York supporting the Ku Klux Klan! How disgusting! And of course, the DP was completely for the war on Iraq (as long as it had UN support), even though it fraudulently tried to channel the anti-war support to their party.



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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Demiurge]
    #2076297 - 11/06/03 09:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Dont call the Democraps "liberals" or "lefties". Those that do fall into that category deserve some credit, such as Dennis Kucinich. At the same time, however, it is foolish for them to remain attached to the Democratic party while its leaders quietly orchestrate what amounts to a corporate merger with the Re-poops. The progressive Democratic caucus in Congress should bolt and form a new party if they wish to have two parties in the future.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
    #2076546 - 11/06/03 11:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

generally socially minded, pro choice and pro union.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
    #2076731 - 11/06/03 12:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Why does it exist?

illusion of choice


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2077227 - 11/06/03 03:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

^^^^
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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2077287 - 11/06/03 04:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Well the experiment hasn't turned out well, but I'll tell you what I believe anyway. The democratic party has no core belief system. In the 1950's 60's and 70's it was racial equality, now it is Minority empowerment. When it was about giving money to the little people, it is now about greed<<Please note that statement is a personal opinion. I have nothing to back that up, although I can back up the racial claims.>> Although you say you are about taxing the rich and relieving the poor, do you even realize that $30 grand and under with 1 child gets back more than they put in? $50k and under with 3 children and a wife get back more than they put in. In fact, the "top 1%" pay 90% of the taxes. [/endrant]


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
    #2077403 - 11/06/03 04:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Democrats should get their shit together!


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: rommstein2001]
    #2077404 - 11/06/03 04:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

damn double post sorry.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2077418 - 11/06/03 04:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The way I see it, the Democrats are more of a coalition than a party, and I like it that way. It's generally more liberal than the Republicans, but they don't have these mindless mantras that the Republicans have. It's a party for just about anyone who isn't happy with the Republicans. Since we know that the chances of a third-party candidate winning in this country are slim to nil, at least we can work for change within the Democratic party.


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
    #2077447 - 11/06/03 04:59 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

eh i must say you prove a good point


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2079358 - 11/07/03 02:44 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I agree completely with silversoul7. Well stated!


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: silversoul7]
    #2079405 - 11/07/03 02:55 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

What I want to know is when are we gonna do away with this worthless system?


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Re: An experiment for the lefties [Re: Shroomism]
    #2079423 - 11/07/03 03:00 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe when we find a better system. Unfortunately that hasn't happened. As Winston Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst system possible, except for all those others that have been tried." Or something like that.


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