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Re: adderall [Re: Legend]
    #20748301 - 10/24/14 04:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Cor is shit, barr/teva (same) are the sweet ones. less side effects for most people.





How do I know what brand I have? The bottle says D-amphetamine salt com xr 10mg

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Re: adderall [Re: blackdust]
    #20748304 - 10/24/14 04:34 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

never-mind, says MFG TEVA

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Re: adderall [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #20748400 - 10/24/14 05:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Amphetamine can exist as dextroamphetamine or levoamphetamine, but not simply as amphetamine.

Same thing with methamphetamine. There's levomethamphetamine or dextromethamphetamine.



Sorry if I skimmed over this being covered, but what about speed? As far as I've heard it's called amphetamine sulphate.




That's incorrect. There's just no such thing as amphetamine and methamphetamine because each can only exist in the levo or the dextro form and both of these forms is totally different from the other.

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Re: adderall [Re: Dr.Dankhead]
    #20748414 - 10/24/14 05:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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If we listened to big Pharma, everyone has ADHD these days.




I -- myself -- used to say the exact same thing about the 'extreme extent' to which psychiatrists like to diagnose individuals with  'ADD' and 'ADHD' in this day and age.

And -- I still believe there may be a chance that there is still  -- to some extent, anyway -- over-diagnosing with the labels 'ADD' and 'ADHD' by at least some psychiatrists.

However -- from birth until I turned 37 years old this year in July, I never considered myself to have 'ADD' or 'ADHD' and considered myself 'basically normal' albeit with a far, far more difficult life than just about anybody I knew.  Once I turned 37 -- a few months ago -- I was finally diagnosed with having 'ADHD' (which came about through doing an 'ADHD' test on the 'Vyvanse website' and finding that I fit the 'ADHD-label' completely and entirely) and then -- finally -- my psychiatrist also agreed that I -- without question -- have 'ADHD' and -- also without question -- need 'Vyvanse' to function normally.

Anyway -- based on my own memory of what life was like for myself when struggling for years and years before finally getting on 'Vyvanse' not long ago (and -- also -- having spent time in more than one psych ward and having seen the true extent to how horrible 'ADD' and 'ADHD' affects certain individuals), I realized that not all 'ADD-diagnosed' and  'ADHD-diagnosed' individuals of various ages (from very young to somewhat older) are all being diagnosed incorrectly, as these individuals in the psych wards with 'ADD' and 'ADHD' were just -- as far as my memory serves me -- literally devastated from the 'ADD' and 'ADHD' and acting entirely abnormally and just being 'walking-wrecks' who -- anybody would agree -- had none other than (and have none other than) genuine 'ADD' and 'ADHD'.

Once aware of my own 'positive ADHD diagnosis' (as well as my having seen the extent of what genuine 'ADD' and 'ADHD' has done to people / does to people -- even aside from myself -- in psych wards) I have come to the realization that maybe not all 'ADD-diagnoses' / 'ADHD-diagnoses' are accurate, but that 'ADD' and 'ADHD' can be -- without question -- actual, serious problems that can be no less than entirely-devastating to an individual / to individuals with bad-enough 'ADD' or 'ADHD' and who either is -- or are -- not being properly medicated for the illness or even being medicated whatsoever (since so many psychiatrists refuse to prescribe stimulants to their patients, even when their patients are legitimately struggling with actual 'ADD' / 'ADHD' and are not the types of patients who would ever abuse the stimulants, much less even think like that).

Anyway -- in conclusion -- 'ADD' and 'ADHD' are both very real illnesses, both of which can -- without question -- be truly devastating to the diagnosed patient(s) as well as those in the diagnosed patient's life / diagnosed patients' lives.  The illnesses may be over-diagnosed to some extent with some -- or many -- patients, but, the illnesses are -- without a doubt -- very real (when properly diagnosed or not yet properly diagnosed) and -- to some extent -- somewhat destructive to very destructive at least some of the time.

As I said before, however -- I do not agree with psychiatrists EVER giving anybody under 18 years of age (or, even more preferably, under 21 years of age) these strong amphetamine / amphetamine-compound stimulant drugs.  Really -- not ever.  :shrug:



Look at the length of that post:)

Vyvanse must really be strong lol;)

I do agree that it can be an illness but people are only starting to recondnize add and ADHD as something that needs treatment,

People have had it for hundreds of thousands of years and survived just fine.. Now days if your kids having attention issues in school first answer to that is ADDS "let's get him/her on meds for it"
Instead of actually getting to the root of the problem..like me, I feel like my attention was amxiety based. So medication was needed but not in the form of adderall.

Doctors these days would rather be wrong and prescribe you drugs and ask questions later, then admit to not knowing the solution for the individuals problem.. There was at least 4 times I went to ER for stomach cramps (severe) and they prescribe me opiates before doing ANT tests,
I was sent home that day wihtout one test done, and they asked if I wanted to pursue tests.

Basically giving me meds so they don't look dumb, and asking if I really need some sort of treatment.




Interestingly, I write just as long of posts / replies / etc. with or without Vyvanse and / or any other stimulants.  That is just how I express myself, I guess. :shrug:

As for people having ADD / ADHD for hundreds of thousands of years without problems surviving, I feel fairly certain that -- if they did indeed have ADD / ADHD -- at least some of them, if not many of them, DID probably have problems in their lives (including 'just surviving') because of ADD / ADHD.  As a Harvard graduate who majored in 'Chemistry and Chemical Biology' (undergrad) as well as in 'Chemical Physics' (graduate) myself, I see ADD / ADHD as being -- to a great extent, anyway -- simply actual abnormal chemical problems in the body (and, most of all, in the mind) of the individual who actually has ADD / ADHD, and are not just illnesses that can be solved with therapy or other 'non-medicinal routes of treatment' (aside from an individual / individuals just simply accepting having ADD / ADHD and 'managing the illness' simply by letting one's chemical make-up stay the way it is without medicinal treatment (such as stimulant therapy with -- for example -- Vyvanse, like I -- myself -- take every day).

I simply don't see a reason for an individual to just accept suffering from a chemical problem in their mind / body without directly treating it with one or more medicines that have a high likelihood of greatly improving the individual's life just because people in the past may have just accepted the detrimental effects of these illnesses without directly treating the illnesses with medicines like we have in today's day and age.

That's just my opinion, of course, as I am not an actual , licensed 'doctor' or 'psychologist' or 'psychiatrist'.  However, I do believe in what I said in this post / reply, mainly because of my specific majors (and mostly straight-A report cards every single semester) at Harvard in 'Chemistry and Chemical Biology' and -- especially -- 'Chemical Physics' (with Harvard being known -- as I am pretty sure almost everybody in the United States knows -- as one of the best universities in the United States). 

I should note that -- during the semester prior to earning my graduate degree in 'Chemical Physics', I had a class where all the students were asked to come up with a unique subject / topic to create a professional research project around simply for the purpose of learning something never-before known and / or proven to any extent.  I chose to research various snakes for either having -- or not having -- a natural occurrence of a known amphetamine / amphetamine-compound in the blood of at least one -- if not more -- of the snakes, having read a published theory that some snakes likely have one or more naturally-occuring amphetamines / amphetamine-compounds in their blood (based on guesses on the part of the scientist who came up with that theory).

Anyway -- once again -- that theory was somewhat of a long-shot (due to the reasoning for the potential accuracy and truth of the theory being based on nothing but guesses) -- a 'long-shot' before I chose to do my research project based on the theory, anyway -- to prove (or disprove) the theory until my research in that class proved the actual, natural occurrence of a more-than-active (and high enough) blood-dose-ratio of 'lisdexamfetamine dimesylate' (a.k.a. 'Vyvanse' -- the same exact amphetamine-compound that I, myself, take for my ADHD, amazingly!) in two adult, female 'Gaboon Viper' snakes (and ONLY in those two adult, female 'Gaboon Vipers', as I only had two adult, female Gaboon Vipers altogether for my direct study for the research project aside from all the other types of snakes that I studied.

So, there you go -- research that proves that at least one type of snake (adult, female Gaboon Vipers, to be specific) has a known amphetamine-compound known by the trade-name 'Vyvanse' (chemical name: lisdexamfetamine dimesylate) normally prescribed for those with ADHD and -- ironically -- which I, myself, am now taking for my ADHD -- turning out to be naturally-occuring in their blood and at a dose that is more than adequate considering the size of the Gaboon Vipers in my research project.

Also -- my research project (along with the results) were professionally published in a monthly at Harvard while I was a graduate student there and -- since then -- have likely been published somewhere else in addition to the monthly, so that the research and results would not likely be lost and would -- instead -- be easy to find and bring up for those interested).

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Re: adderall [Re: s240779]
    #20748510 - 10/24/14 05:38 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Da2ra said:
Amphetamine can exist as dextroamphetamine or levoamphetamine, but not simply as amphetamine.

Same thing with methamphetamine. There's levomethamphetamine or dextromethamphetamine.



Sorry if I skimmed over this being covered, but what about speed? As far as I've heard it's called amphetamine sulphate.




That's incorrect. There's just no such thing as amphetamine and methamphetamine because each can only exist in the levo or the dextro form and both of these forms is totally different from the other.



:facepalm:

No.

There is no such thing as methamphetamine? Are you crazy?

They even have it in legal, pill form.


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Re: adderall [Re: mikeisapro]
    #20748831 - 10/24/14 06:51 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

You just didn't understand me. Did you read my quoted post as well? Technically it's dextromethamphetamine, although I gather that levomethamphetamine is usually found as a byproduct in batches of speed. Levomethamphetamine is actually avilable in the U.S. as an over-the-counter inhaler. So, technically you have to indicate whether you're talking about dextro or levo for both amphetamine and methamphetamine...

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Re: adderall [Re: s240779]
    #20751220 - 10/25/14 11:12 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Just switched from ritalin 20mg 2x daily to adderall 10mg 3x daily.  Must say I like the adderall way better in terms of how it makes me feel or rather, not feel.  Ritalin always made me feel cracked out and put me in a bad mood.  I feel like adderall puts me in a positive mood and feels smoother.  That's taking as prescribed.

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Re: adderall [Re: refried]
    #20751262 - 10/25/14 11:23 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Just switched from ritalin 20mg 2x daily to adderall 10mg 3x daily.  Must say I like the adderall way better in terms of how it makes me feel or rather, not feel.  Ritalin always made me feel cracked out and put me in a bad mood.  I feel like adderall puts me in a positive mood and feels smoother.  That's taking as prescribed.





I agree. I was on concerta and did not enjoy the side effects. Adderall is so smooth. With concerta, I could feel each time release of the medicine so I was up and down all day.

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Re: adderall [Re: refried]
    #20751407 - 10/25/14 12:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Just switched from ritalin 20mg 2x daily to adderall 10mg 3x daily.  Must say I like the adderall way better in terms of how it makes me feel or rather, not feel.  Ritalin always made me feel cracked out and put me in a bad mood.  I feel like adderall puts me in a positive mood and feels smoother.  That's taking as prescribed.




Ritalin was somewhat enjoyable / decently enjoyable when I tried it a long time ago (to see how it was as a recreational drug), having gotten the Ritalin from a friend for whom it was prescribed.

I found that -- while somewhat enjoyable -- the euphoria and pleasurable effects were not nearly as great as with amphetamines and -- also -- the euphoria and pleasurable effects didn't last even close to as long as with a recreational dose of Adderall, Dexedrine or methamphetamine.  And -- also -- the comedown from Ritalin was horrible to go through, causing very severe dysphoria and unhappiness, as well as anxiety and intense cravings for more Ritalin (the cravings reminded me of cocaine in terms of how intense -- and hard to deal with -- the cravings were during the comedown from each and every dose).

Due to all the negative things about taking Ritalin recreationally, I stopped taking it for good pretty much as soon as I started taking it in the first place.  It really is -- simply -- not worth all the negative things about taking it just for a little euphoria and pleasurable effects.

Ritalin = :thumbdown:


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Re: adderall [Re: s240779]
    #20751409 - 10/25/14 12:06 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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You just didn't understand me. Did you read my quoted post as well? Technically it's dextromethamphetamine, although I gather that levomethamphetamine is usually found as a byproduct in batches of speed. Levomethamphetamine is actually avilable in the U.S. as an over-the-counter inhaler. So, technically you have to indicate whether you're talking about dextro or levo for both amphetamine and methamphetamine...



Ah, yes you are correct sir.

They are just the right or left handed isomer of the same thing though...it's still silly to say "there's no such thing as methamphetamine"


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Re: adderall [Re: Amphetamine Viper]
    #20751413 - 10/25/14 12:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, methylphenidate is terrible.

The duration of the high is so short, and the comedown is a bitch.

Gotta love amphetamines though. They last a long time :grin:


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Re: adderall [Re: mikeisapro]
    #20753983 - 10/26/14 05:00 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Ritalin is better then ethylphenidate though. Trust me , don't try it !

I am going to buy some Ritalin from friend soon. Eph is horrible!

Never tried stims really other then eph. It's pure caustic acid.

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Re: adderall [Re: Moonshoe]
    #20753993 - 10/26/14 05:24 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I love tweaking on amp, just gotta make sure I use it in moderation. I try not to use it more than a couple times a month, but lately I have been doing meth once a week or so.

It's mainly those damn side effects of not eating or sleeping. After being awake for 2 days only eating little food, it is generally the last thing on my mind to do more.

Adderall is the only drug I have ever overdosed on, really wasn't a good feeling. Vomiting, dizziness, twitching limbs, and pains in my chest.

I stopped doing it for a while after that.

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Re: adderall [Re: Rhizohunter]
    #20754001 - 10/26/14 05:36 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I never go a night without sleeping but tonight I am not able to sleep because I stupidly did eph.

I hate stims for the insomnia and other side effects. Being unable to sleep is horrible.

Eph is nowhere near as torturous as cocaine was though. Its all the same bad shit but just not nearly as intensley dysphoric.


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Re: adderall [Re: Moonshoe]
    #20754007 - 10/26/14 05:39 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah I never go a night without sleeping but tonight I am not able to sleep because I stupidly did eph.

I hate stims for the insomnia and other side effects. Being unable to sleep is horrible.

Eph is nowhere near as torturous as cocaine was though. Its all the same bad shit but just not nearly as intensley dysphoric.





i got seriquel and weed if I need to get knocked out but I never have any problems

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Re: adderall [Re: blackdust]
    #20754012 - 10/26/14 05:43 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I have benzos and maybe should take some right now to sleep but I drank enough tonight that I dont want to do any incase of CNS depression problems.

I will end up sleeping all day tomorrow. Such a waste of a day. I hate ethylphenidate!


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Re: adderall [Re: Moonshoe]
    #20754019 - 10/26/14 05:57 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah I have benzos and maybe should take some right now to sleep but I drank enough tonight that I dont want to do any incase of CNS depression problems.

I will end up sleeping all day tomorrow. Such a waste of a day. I hate ethylphenidate!




I learned many years ago that 30 - 40 mg of addy is all I need in a day. Sure, I don;t get as high (if we can call 40mg as getting high) but I can get the shit I need done with these dosages without side effects.

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