Home | Community | Message Board

World Seed Supply
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   North Spore Boomr Bag   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlineintelligentlife
Noaidi
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/18/10
Posts: 2,627
Loc: EU
Last seen: 7 years, 5 months
Re: Etiolation and Propagation [Re: LSoares]
    #20737402 - 10/22/14 10:27 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

LSoares said:
Quote:

Mostly_Harmless said:
GoOnThen put up a good thread concerning what can be gotten away with when rooting trichs : Breaking The Rules

Quote:


Ok the point of the thread.

I took a number of cuttings of my plants and laid them out on the bench in my shed.

I then dipped the cut ends in sulfur

I then potted them up into damp mix







I stand corrected, then. Sorry. :$

(however, I wonder if it's wise to do so this late in the season - I have a feeling that k.b.g is in the northern hemisphere)




I have several trichocereus cuttings planted this late. I have kept them empty pots, after 2months, now I have add some moist coco coir to all. I let them be in small clay pots and look them at spring, they should have roots all when grow season starts.. Temps are pretty low but it's ok, I don't need cuttings stars to etiolate.

Some nurseries may also do some late season cuttings in EU. They plant them over winter and usually during spring they can be watered and at some point.

End season cuttings can be taken, planted to soil and just wait, my cuttings are planted along rooted plants, I let hem be over winter and hibernate, some of those have been already grown roots of some sort, some probably doesn't grow roots till next season.

Winter cuttings can be taken, at least I have done that, and have already some small pots with big cuttings.. It's easy after first sunny days to check by taking the plant off from small pot and plant to bigger one.

With bridgesii I haven't tried any of cuttings, those are some t. pachanoi cuttings I have now along dormant plants and wait spring. Some time go cuttings were drying and so on..

This is trichs may not grow over that time(what should be that way) and they will start their grow when season starts. I don't see I have better place to keep them than dormancy area. They don't stretch and are already waiting next summer, I am sure they all have roots at spring, they were long time in empty pots, now I have just filled these pots with soil and coco coir and basically "forgot" those cuttings to small pots over winter.

Some nurseries plant their cuttings early winter and late winter when sun starts to shine they have already rooted specimens for sale..

Anyway, I have once planted san pedro without drying it, I planted it to moist soil and it worked. Back then I didn't know how to root cactus, later on I read about they should be calloused.

I think high temps(similar to guide above in the link says) some +35C or more may help cuttings. I think that's critical info as well at GoOnThen -thread.

I would say in damp climate cuttings should be calloused and if taken during winter, they are easy to forget for some time to empty pot, pot can be filled later with soil.. With this way those cuttings have got always roots when new summer comes. But there re so much different ways to root cuttings we can't say one way is best over another, every information is good, as long as it can be understand.

I fill my empty pots with columns always with soil after I know callous is proper. I have had before non-rooted cuttings in soil over winter and sometimes it takes time and few cuttings root very late, but in general; if I plant cutting to empty pot, I usually pour soil for cuttings and forgot them. Spring time they are almost all rooted and when I give some water at March-May or so, cuttings usually goes firm and I know they have roots.. I don't still mean another way is worse or better.

Just wanted to say I have cuttings without roots and they are in +18C or so, waiting next summer when I can water them.. usually those grow roots over winter(or start grow them when it starts to get warm again) so at spring time they are easy to start grow. Only thing is I need to transplant them to bigger pots till they have grown small "cake" of roots to small pot, narrow clay pots support cuttings and pressure are usually caused towards ribs, plant diameter is bigger than clay pot base always. Without soil this takes longer time to cause plants root but it's possible as well, I use clay pots just because callous never have much pressure, cuttings are "too fat" to fit in the base of clay pots.:yesnod:

Edited by intelligentlife (10/22/14 10:35 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekactus.brand.g
Registered: 08/22/14
Posts: 6,886
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
Re: Etiolation and Propagation [Re: intelligentlife]
    #20742043 - 10/23/14 08:34 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah,I always root all my cacti by just putting them in dry soil.The key is to have bone dry soil,and not let them get any moisture until they root.It works every time for me:thumbup:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineintelligentlife
Noaidi
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/18/10
Posts: 2,627
Loc: EU
Last seen: 7 years, 5 months
Re: Etiolation and Propagation [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #20742318 - 10/23/14 10:23 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

kactus.brand.g said:
Yeah,I always root all my cacti by just putting them in dry soil.The key is to have bone dry soil,and not let them get any moisture until they root.It works every time for me:thumbup:




I did pretty ok with this method below, one out of four have already done roots, maybe two, I haven't check nor care them since so there may be some more rooted plants, but I don't water them. Also they feel ok.

So what I did was:
-I cut trichocereus pachanoi plants diameter of 5-8cm. height 20-30cm etc.
-I dried callous over 24hours.
-I plant those cutting to narrow clay pot(the way callous doesn't touch bottom of clay pot)
-I add rooting hormone Clonex with paintbrush to callous after one week of drying.
-I waited one month and add little bit moist coco coir to those clay pots(first I check callous was ok, one out of 4 was already put out roots)
-I am waiting and keep plants in those small clay pots and see do they have small "root cake" next spring.

What I have find out is t. pachanoi (and relatives) grow roots in dry, some soil and moisture will promote rooting when contact to callous and skin below.. There may be some bacteria in soil trigger rooting as well.(correct if i'm wrong)

There are my cuttings atm.. Early spring I will repot them to bigger pots, they probably grow some roots over this time and maybe over winter, who knows, but usually at spring time with this method, cutting will have roots. Fat cuttings may take time. I have two different new san pedro clones, those cuttings with pups have same size new growth and some small pups coming. Two head san pedro have two more small pups coming from aerole, these plants just don't grow at all.

Cuttings from South America(Peru) and Spain, I don't know much more about these pachanoi plants, new clones to me I received late grow season, I haven't had time to let them grow. Only I know about these beautiful pachanoi's I have been kept in dry over month before add coco coir and soil for them, transplant time next summer! I just don't know what form they grow in my climate, I'm so thrilled to wait summer and grow new clones, always! :crazy2:

Plant at second picture are originally from Spain, behind it in picture is cutting from Peru. Cutting with two heads are as well from Peru. That one with two heads have 8 ribs and two small pups as well more! also that one visible at second picture have some pups around the basal-log section.
:datass:

I have so many different t. pachanoi variety at the moment. Too much if I say so. :awesome:

Spanish pachanoi have randomly some 1-3cm long spikes at base of cutting. Randomly visible here or there, Peruvian cuttings have very nice spines, some very clear spikes, bigger spines than any of my "spineless pachanoi" plants. Seems these "true pachanoi's" may have +8ribs, some Ecuadorian pachanoi plants have also very big number of ribs. Anyway, same clones have ribs from 6 to 8 when I had them. new growth is just 6 ribs with every cactus from that patch I received. :yesnod:

It's always fun to have more clones, these will be ok over winter in these pots and ready to transplant at spring with roots! :headbang:


--------------------

Edited by intelligentlife (10/23/14 10:35 AM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekactus.brand.g
Registered: 08/22/14
Posts: 6,886
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
Re: Etiolation and Propagation [Re: intelligentlife]
    #20742429 - 10/23/14 10:58 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

intelligentlife said:
Quote:

kactus.brand.g said:
Yeah,I always root all my cacti by just putting them in dry soil.The key is to have bone dry soil,and not let them get any moisture until they root.It works every time for me:thumbup:




I did pretty ok with this method below, one out of four have already done roots, maybe two, I haven't check nor care them since so there may be some more rooted plants, but I don't water them. Also they feel ok.

So what I did was:
-I cut trichocereus pachanoi plants diameter of 5-8cm. height 20-30cm etc.
-I dried callous over 24hours.
-I plant those cutting to narrow clay pot(the way callous doesn't touch bottom of clay pot)
-I add rooting hormone Clonex with paintbrush to callous after one week of drying.
-I waited one month and add little bit moist coco coir to those clay pots(first I check callous was ok, one out of 4 was already put out roots)
-I am waiting and keep plants in those small clay pots and see do they have small "root cake" next spring.

What I have find out is t. pachanoi (and relatives) grow roots in dry, some soil and moisture will promote rooting when contact to callous and skin below.. There may be some bacteria in soil trigger rooting as well.(correct if i'm wrong)

There are my cuttings atm.. Early spring I will repot them to bigger pots, they probably grow some roots over this time and maybe over winter, who knows, but usually at spring time with this method, cutting will have roots. Fat cuttings may take time. I have two different new san pedro clones, those cuttings with pups have same size new growth and some small pups coming. Two head san pedro have two more small pups coming from aerole, these plants just don't grow at all.

Cuttings from South America(Peru) and Spain, I don't know much more about these pachanoi plants, new clones to me I received late grow season, I haven't had time to let them grow. Only I know about these beautiful pachanoi's I have been kept in dry over month before add coco coir and soil for them, transplant time next summer! I just don't know what form they grow in my climate, I'm so thrilled to wait summer and grow new clones, always! :crazy2:

Plant at second picture are originally from Spain, behind it in picture is cutting from Peru. Cutting with two heads are as well from Peru. That one with two heads have 8 ribs and two small pups as well more! also that one visible at second picture have some pups around the basal-log section.
:datass:

I have so many different t. pachanoi variety at the moment. Too much if I say so. :awesome:

Spanish pachanoi have randomly some 1-3cm long spikes at base of cutting. Randomly visible here or there, Peruvian cuttings have very nice spines, some very clear spikes, bigger spines than any of my "spineless pachanoi" plants. Seems these "true pachanoi's" may have +8ribs, some Ecuadorian pachanoi plants have also very big number of ribs. Anyway, same clones have ribs from 6 to 8 when I had them. new growth is just 6 ribs with every cactus from that patch I received. :yesnod:

It's always fun to have more clones, these will be ok over winter in these pots and ready to transplant at spring with roots! :headbang:





Very nice man:thumbup: I'll comment more when I return,be back soon:jah:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekactus.brand.g
Registered: 08/22/14
Posts: 6,886
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
Re: Etiolation and Propagation [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #20743162 - 10/23/14 01:59 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

So yeah,man,you sure do have an extensive collection of Cacti!
Those are some prime specimens:thumbup:
Your method of rooting sounds pretty sure fire as well:thumbup:I'm just too lazy to go through all those extra steps when me myself have never had to use them.
Mine always stay potted up in bone dry soil for the first couple of weeks,then I gradually start adding small amounts of moisture to the soil.Normally I wait a month or so,then I'll give a nice little tug.If they stay in place,and don't really move,then they have roots.If they move around and pop right up with no resistance,then they still need time.Normally I can guess right on when to do this,and a good majority of the time,there are roots:grin:
Here she is outside getting some sun and warmth,and her monstrous buddy,which should be about ready for a root check in the near future:sunny:




Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlineintelligentlife
Noaidi
 User Gallery


Registered: 10/18/10
Posts: 2,627
Loc: EU
Last seen: 7 years, 5 months
Re: Etiolation and Propagation [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #20743292 - 10/23/14 02:27 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Nice!

But you really should compare my climate to yours, i can't grow so fat trichs compared to warm places. I am sure mine will going to be some kind of bonsai trichs over the year. Maybe I can keep them 2-3months outdoors and rest of the time at very bright spot in house.

Those cuttings isn't plants I have grown, just obtained them, but I have taken some pics from plants what I have been grown several years from small seedling/cutting:


trichocereus camarguensis





I have also only one bridgesii(it's very hard to grow that species at arctic circle. Others do fine.


Rest plants I have some lophs and others growing at the shade of trichocereus columns, sun shines from very low angle and goes round the sky at summer. These columns casts nice shadow indeed.:thumbup:






I'm indoor grower anyway.:eskimokiss:
------------------------------------------

There are actually picture from Peruvian pachanoi pup what I cut off from big branch and rooted.. This isn't cut away from those cuttings above in pictures, it's just same clone offshoot already rooted.:yesnod:

Spikes is very easy to see and their nice coloration range from brown-red to white-grey, and also easy to see how spine coloration goes with this peruvian pachanoi clone by their colours. They all have similar spines, some 4-6 spines and about half of them are brown, rest is more whitish, very rarely this clone grows big central spine length of one inch or more... Especially if it receive lots of sun.
Size of this cutting is about 15cm, 6inches... It's under fluoro light atm.. I let it grow roots, then let it go dry and move to dormancy area and wait next summer..  I may throw funny theory about: what comes to mescaline, every plant what have had some sort of this coloration on their spines have been potent ones.. But I don't say spines tell anything about potency.

I am just not interested anymore to ingest mescaline, been there, done that.. It's enough:nyan:

It's always fun to have new specimens to garden.. I like how variable trichocereus species is, so much different plants and clones.. In here around EU, there isn't any Predominant Cultivar clone, also most pachanoi are pretty magikal.
:jah:

This t. pachanoi is relatively spiny compared to other Southern american pachanoi plants. Some spikes are bigger, some smaller.. very nice specimens indeed. I can't wait how fast these plants grow.

So far fastest grower I have is one and only big T. Bridgesii.. One summer that plant grew some 35cm(14inch) and thickness of it is just nice typical 4-5cm. So far not any pachanoi nor cuzcoensis haven't grow so much over one summer.. Best of all, I have never ingested bridgesii, lol.. :strokebeard:

I don't see my rooting tek is hard.. Only I need is narrow clay pots and clean knife, idea is I can plant cuttings to pot without soil and no need to wait callous because it never touch the bottom of pot. I can reduce the pressure to callous very easy with this way. After there is enough callous, I pour rocks and some coco coir for them.. next summer those should be rooted cuttings.

That's very nice specimens you have there.. Is that one TBM penis cactus? I have two of them, one had 30cm long "penis" I cut it off and sold as cutting forwards.. lol :awesome:

Edited by intelligentlife (10/23/14 05:05 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleMrGiraffe

Registered: 04/04/14
Posts: 3,149
Re: Etiolation and Propagation [Re: intelligentlife]
    #20743960 - 10/23/14 05:15 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

That trichocereus camarguensis looks pretty effin sweet, I dig the spines on it.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinekactus.brand.g
Registered: 08/22/14
Posts: 6,886
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
Re: Etiolation and Propagation [Re: intelligentlife]
    #20745413 - 10/23/14 10:33 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

intelligentlife said:
Nice!

But you really should compare my climate to yours, i can't grow so fat trichs compared to warm places. I am sure mine will going to be some kind of bonsai trichs over the year. Maybe I can keep them 2-3months outdoors and rest of the time at very bright spot in house.

Those cuttings isn't plants I have grown, just obtained them, but I have taken some pics from plants what I have been grown several years from small seedling/cutting:


trichocereus camarguensis





I have also only one bridgesii(it's very hard to grow that species at arctic circle. Others do fine.


Rest plants I have some lophs and others growing at the shade of trichocereus columns, sun shines from very low angle and goes round the sky at summer. These columns casts nice shadow indeed.:thumbup:






I'm indoor grower anyway.:eskimokiss:
------------------------------------------

There are actually picture from Peruvian pachanoi pup what I cut off from big branch and rooted.. This isn't cut away from those cuttings above in pictures, it's just same clone offshoot already rooted.:yesnod:

Spikes is very easy to see and their nice coloration range from brown-red to white-grey, and also easy to see how spine coloration goes with this peruvian pachanoi clone by their colours. They all have similar spines, some 4-6 spines and about half of them are brown, rest is more whitish, very rarely this clone grows big central spine length of one inch or more... Especially if it receive lots of sun.
Size of this cutting is about 15cm, 6inches... It's under fluoro light atm.. I let it grow roots, then let it go dry and move to dormancy area and wait next summer..  I may throw funny theory about: what comes to mescaline, every plant what have had some sort of this coloration on their spines have been potent ones.. But I don't say spines tell anything about potency.

I am just not interested anymore to ingest mescaline, been there, done that.. It's enough:nyan:

It's always fun to have new specimens to garden.. I like how variable trichocereus species is, so much different plants and clones.. In here around EU, there isn't any Predominant Cultivar clone, also most pachanoi are pretty magikal.
:jah:

This t. pachanoi is relatively spiny compared to other Southern american pachanoi plants. Some spikes are bigger, some smaller.. very nice specimens indeed. I can't wait how fast these plants grow.

So far fastest grower I have is one and only big T. Bridgesii.. One summer that plant grew some 35cm(14inch) and thickness of it is just nice typical 4-5cm. So far not any pachanoi nor cuzcoensis haven't grow so much over one summer.. Best of all, I have never ingested bridgesii, lol.. :strokebeard:

I don't see my rooting tek is hard.. Only I need is narrow clay pots and clean knife, idea is I can plant cuttings to pot without soil and no need to wait callous because it never touch the bottom of pot. I can reduce the pressure to callous very easy with this way. After there is enough callous, I pour rocks and some coco coir for them.. next summer those should be rooted cuttings.

That's very nice specimens you have there.. Is that one TBM penis cactus? I have two of them, one had 30cm long "penis" I cut it off and sold as cutting forwards.. lol :awesome:





Wow man,you have so many plants! Yeah,I forget,your climate is Arctic right?I don't know how ya do it bro.It really doesn't get too cold here for winter,but it's too cold for me.I like warmth,and if I could have it my way,I would live in place that's warm all year round.Your cacti seem to do amazingly well indoors:thumbup:Living in a cold climate didn't stop you from your passion:grin:
Yeah that's a TBM cutting,I traded the rooted one it came from.
I love this plant by the way,it's fantastic!


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2  [ show all ]

Shop: MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   North Spore Boomr Bag   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Other causes of etiolation? JohnAdams 1,094 10 06/10/09 01:54 PM
by JohnAdams
* Preventing Etiolation Acaterpillar 1,250 5 10/12/11 10:29 PM
by naum
* Etiolated pedros for seedling graft stock? waixingren 1,300 7 11/07/08 10:35 PM
by kadakuda
* Atropa belladonna propagation?? psylo33o 1,612 2 08/26/02 04:54 AM
by neuro
* Revised: Add a "How to grow..." article here pls***~~~
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
World Spirit 66,506 119 10/29/11 07:34 PM
by karode13
* The Ethnobotanical Gardens Encyclopedia
( 1 2 all )
neuro 156,667 23 02/14/09 03:25 PM
by Dr. uarewotueat
* Micro propagating sshAmen 1,108 7 01/18/10 12:47 PM
by Fleadh
* Dionea muscipula - growing and propagation? felixhigh 819 6 10/09/03 11:50 AM
by neuro

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Mostly_Harmless, A.k.a
5,464 topic views. 0 members, 9 guests and 3 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.029 seconds spending 0.007 seconds on 15 queries.