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Offlineschorts
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various containers for bulk substrates
    #2073412 - 11/05/03 03:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

soo, because I'm at the stage where I need to be doing this, I've been thinking about the things that I can use as bulk substrate containers. a while back somebody brought up using andersen flats (its a plant thing, they go under potted plants and such) that are 5 inches deep and have a plastic mesh on the bottom... and that got me thinking about using 4 inch potted plant containers. (I may try 6"ers later) they have a 4" diameter and are about 6" deep. taken in combination with the fact that 2 1/2 pint CAKES will produce more fruit than a 1 pint cake will, it seems like a very good possibilty to me that the same thing would apply for bulk substrates.

any comments?

(I've also done some thinking about double expansion such as edible growers are apt to do... aka: agar > grain > grain > substrate, but doing substrate as the last two steps [because whats ready to go right now is BRF. I know, i know. anybody have something to say on BRF > white millet? I'll be going BRF > poo > poo... but its the thought that counts =])


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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: schorts]
    #2074469 - 11/05/03 09:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

4" by 6" isn't enough space to require bulk, IMO. Maybe suitable for a casing, unless you want to pasteurize your straw in a teacup (ok -- maybe a large mayonaise jar, at the most.) Usually casings are bigger than this....

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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: micro]
    #2076230 - 11/06/03 08:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

actually i have no idea what your question is. Let me tell you that I am using foil pans filled about two thirds full of cow manure spawned with wbs. Currently I have about 100 of these. It's getting to get a bit out of hand. I am wondering if while I reduce the number of containers yet maintain the same volume of substrate - how will this affect my yields. Say for instance 100 containers each filled with 2 quarts of substrate versus 10 containers filled with 20 quarts of substrate. I know that the biggest factor is surface area and depth of fill. I have never grown anything with substrate deeper than 3 - 4 inches. anybody else have any insight?


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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: o0PapaSmurf0o]
    #2076501 - 11/06/03 11:02 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

IME, I've noticed that twice the number of casings (or bulk or whatever) will produce more than twice the substrate depth in half the number of casings.

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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: micro]
    #2077109 - 11/06/03 03:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

thats exactly what i was talking about. I've heard that said about cakes before, but not casings. good to hear! =)


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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: micro]
    #2077198 - 11/06/03 03:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

ahh, but you see, its bulk because I plan to do 20-30 of them.

yes, I could do the same _volume_ of substrate in larger trays, but I think the yields would be less.

I suppose that the only thing that I would really like an answer on is this:
do you think that a 4" diameter by 6" deep round pot with four holes in the bottom could make a suitable container?

should I plug the holes?

there are any number of things that I could do to minimize the nutrients that are near those holes... it seems like a bad idea to have nutritious substrate directly in contact with the bottom of the terrarium.

and also, I don't plan on using any straw. a good friend of mine reports that he kept a casing going, _without contamination_ for nearly seven months, at wich point it had shrunk so much that it simply refused to fruit. talk about low maintinance!


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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: schorts]
    #2078542 - 11/06/03 10:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I would plug those holes for sure. And I think the biggest factor is surface area. If you had less containers but maintained the same surface area I believe your yields would be the same.


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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: o0PapaSmurf0o]
    #2080052 - 11/07/03 07:43 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I have fruited from a similer pot(deeper) with the drainage holes unblocked. I had a layer of gravel in the bottom.


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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: walk]
    #2081161 - 11/07/03 03:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

woopsie... I picked up the pots today and they are 6" diameter 4.75" deep. coincidentally, they are made by andersen dye and mfg company... same as the andersen flats. anyway, they have six holes radiantly around the bottom, and the holes are about a centimeter across. The edges are rough, so should help prevent losses. my latest temptation is fusing a small wire across the holes... it's worth a shot.


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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: schorts]
    #2081451 - 11/07/03 05:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

FYI, Anderson makes a number of sizes of both pots and flats- and the flats and pots are designed to go together. They've got one that's nice and big with high sides- that's quite the nice idea. They're also almost across the street from the Acropolis. What a shame. I might have to go and get some. Yes, they do sell to the public (though they say they are wholesale only), but have to act like you know what you want when you get there.

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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: justsmurfy]
    #2083003 - 11/08/03 03:57 AM (13 years, 30 days ago)

I used to make comercial kits and this is how I did it... (Big trade secret LOL)
Using 1/3 perelite at the bottom (pre soaked to saturation in H2O2 solution) 1/3 collonized grain and coco fiber for the casing)1.5 liter containers worked well for this purpose. The type you get take out food in. They are great, have lids, and can be stacked in the fridge. What I found is that the larger the container the bigger the fruits but also, more waste if contaminated. Still with that said 1.5 liter plastic containers worked pretty well over all. If you can get your hands on metal shelves ( bookcase style) and drape with plastic you got a great setup.


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Re: various containers for bulk substrates [Re: ]
    #2084725 - 11/08/03 07:43 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

If you are looking for cheap plastic then go a furniture shop and ask for the plastic bags that their beds come in(They have never made me pay).

schorts Id use stones rather than wire 'cos im a cheap bastard.

Ivan did you make "comercial kits" using grain as the substrate and not expanding to bulk? What do you mean by comercial kit?


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