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cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2
    #2071929 - 11/05/03 12:36 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

ok, so a bunch of shit has happened since my previous thread on this topic dissapeard into the underbelly of the shroomery....

we left off with me talking this cute jehovah chick into confusion at the bus station and getting a date out of the deal....

well, i took her out to lunch and after thinking about it decided to avoid any spiritual/philosophical debate for the time being...i already damaged her ego quite a bit at our little chat at the bus station, so i give her some time to recover before round 2...

so we talked, about her likes, dislikes, family, school....yadda yadda yadda...just basically got to know her a bit (i figure this might help in gaining her trust which may help me down the road :grin:)

we have talked on the phone a bit since then, briefly covering some issues, not too heated of debates, but i wanted to keep her wheels turning a bit until i feel a little more confident that she can handle some of the really "weird" shit i want to eventually talk with her about...

so, she keeps calling me, and we keep talking...and today she has invited me to go to her church next week for a youth bible study (ages 16-24) and when asked what the topic will be on, she said "the bible"

well no shit? your gonna talk about the bible at a bible study? well ill be damned!

but more specifically, how "god" "made sure" that the bible was copied/translated correctly, and how he "kept" us from adding, removing, changing, tweeking, simmplifying certain passages.... which by my surprise was not the original topic....it was changed for little old me!!!! (this was one of our more heated topics at the bus station...)

wow, im shocked! heres my chance, title fight! ding ding....

gloves are on, as i head into the very place i probably shouldnt....i dont know what has gotten into me, i normaly would not think of such a thing....but i kinda turned this into a little project :grin:

im sure it has alot to do with how cute she is....im such a sucker :smirk:

but im actually really excited about this...going into a room of a bunch of religious people and debating with them on their beliefs! if you dont hear from me in a while, call the authorities....they may end up thinking im the anti christ and burning me at the stake or some shit! 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: silversoul7]
    #2071974 - 11/05/03 12:54 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

ever see that movie dogma ( i think thats what its called ) anyway i like it when, fuck, i cant remember that black comedians name....

anyway, when hes says beliefs are dangerous, they get you killed.... so he has ideas instead :grin:

anyway, that popped into my head just now....

oh ya, im stoned too- can ya tell?

lol :stoned: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: silversoul7]
    #2071981 - 11/05/03 12:57 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

oh ya.... :grin: you just saved me hours of wondering what the fuck his name was.... 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Signo]
    #2072073 - 11/05/03 01:29 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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1. There is no philosophy. There is no playa.





i suppose...i mean, i dont plan on walking in there and changing all thier minds and shit, but i have never really been the type to debate on spiritual/philosophical issues in the past... i think that to each their own, and that these kinds of things are more productive when kept on an individual basis...

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Dude, if you go in there you are gonna get ganged up by all of those people. If you really need to go in there, you should just fake like they have shown you the true path and eat up there bullshit like they are valiums. This will help you get into the pantalones of a certain girl who is more important than arguing with a bunch of devout Christians.




yes, you make a good point there...i thought long and hard on how to handle this....on the one side, i have this really cute chick that i have managed to to get to start asking why, and after getting to know her i think she really wants to let go of alot of this religious bull shit and venture onto a more personalized path....but then invites me to her layer, to meet and talk with a whole bunch of people who arent ready to start asking such questions....

so i go in there and buy all their bull shit to get into said chicks pants....or do i go in there ready for a fight?

if i just buy all thir bullshit, i think that all the progress i made with her before hand may be lost....then im stuck with a chick that doesnt approve of half the shit i do, and those kinds of chicks arent fun....im not about ready to change my life for this chick...and theres no way in hell im gonna get into them anytime soon, theres lots of walls to break down first

but if o go in there, stating my ideas and debating with them, they may end up getting their grubby lil paws on her afterwards, brain washing her into thinking im the devil or some shit....

so i think im just gonna try to find a happy medium....if thats even possible


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Signo]
    #2072095 - 11/05/03 01:34 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

and yes, they are technically christians.....they are just a little more weird about how they go about showing their faith


like this, it really cracks me up....

celebrating all holidays, christmas, easter, thanxgiving....even your birthday are sins...they believe that it is a form of self worship and/or worshiping the false religions....i mean damn, no birthdays? dont you think "god" would allow you to celebrate the greatest gift he gave you, your life?

oh, and they dont call him god, they call him jehovah....his "true" name


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Annom]
    #2072352 - 11/05/03 04:30 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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The mission of jehovah's witnesses is to "save" people. The only thing they do in life is trying to make other people jehovah's. If you tell them to shut up they won't listen because they are so "friendly" and they need to save you.





sounds just like most of the christians i know

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  bet she's trying the same thing on you, maybe in a jehovah's witness board somewhere there is a thread called "i met a cute sinner at the bus station!"





:lol: ya, i bet that is a good possibility! i love it, i laughed so hard at that one....anyway, more power to her....for some reason i found alot of amusment in this whole situation....weather or not she drops her beliefs isnt really that important to me, but the fact that she, and the rest of the christian types i know, are following them so blindly bothers me, i mean, dont they ever stop and ask why?...maybe im :devil: but this is all like a game to me.... 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: longshot]
    #2072362 - 11/05/03 04:43 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

yes i agree...and in fact i am very interested...i want to know how they can believe in something as strongly as they do, based soley on the fact that it was simply "taught" to them...i mean, if i believed everything i was taught, my math skills would be so fucked up right now....i had some of THE worst math teachers ever....when a student had a problem, they asked me, another student and not the teacher... :tongue:

an explanation is all im really looking for....and if it gets too bad, see ya! and hes gone....lol they better not try to pull some exorcist bull shit and try to get the demons out or nothin :razz: i like my demons :devil: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: gnrm23]
    #2073721 - 11/05/03 03:04 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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historical note: JWs were on hitler's list of special groups to be exterminated...





lol, i dont find this too hard to believe....

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other religions are not wrong just a different version of hers.




yes, this is something we have gone over quite extensivly....and yes, it is easier said than done :grin:


well, next tuesday is when the party begins, so dont worry madtowntripper, as soon as i get back, ill let you know how it went at the cult meating :grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #2074492 - 11/05/03 07:05 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

hey, thats not a bad idea....i didnt even think of that! i think i will....is there any way i could put that on the computer so you guys could listen to it? i think that would be cool....im not really the best with computers, so i dont know how to do stuff like that....


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: iamhimheisme]
    #2074542 - 11/05/03 07:17 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

why cant he keep people from having abortions.......?

well, if my understanding of the whole christian thing is correct and up to date, i think this has alot to do with the fact that he gave us free will....he gave us the power to do as we please from day one, dont eat from that tree if you know whats good for you! so what did we do, same thing any kid does when you tell him not to do something....we did it!

so this free will thing, applies to us writing the bible, having abortions, crashing planes into buildings....all of the things we do every day...i think he got cut out of the loop by giving us free will... hes not "allowed" to interfer with our day to day life in that sence...otherwise free will would be complete bullshit...imagine that, god has "rules" he must follow! :shocked:

thats gonna be my main argument anyway.... :grin:
   


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Jaredo]
    #2075415 - 11/05/03 10:50 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

posibility of me being converted = 0.000% not gonna happen, im just in this for a little fun, see what kind of trouble i can conjur up :grin:

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This rule applies to direct family, as well. Change your mind about your beliefs after being baptised? Kiss your family goodbye.





thats fucked up....but what she decides to do is her own decision, im not out to necessarily change her mind about her beliefs (as they are trying to do to me) but rather open her, and them, up to the possibility that maybe they really dont KNOW for sure that they are right and i am wrong...i know ive made some progres with her already, and if she feels to stick with the religion thats fine by me... im not out to "convert"

but they are, and im not goin down without a fight! im sick and tired of these people coming up to me and talking their bullshit...i usually just scare them away, but enough is enough!

i will infiltrate their compound and plant my seeds of doubt! before ya know it, the whole religion might turn into pot smoking, shroom eating hippies, spreading peace and love instead of bullshit lies, deception, and manipulation....and i, being the one who started it all, will be held high as their savior, maybe even as the second coming of christ! :lol:

lol, no really....im just having some fun here...if it gets to a point where i think i may be causing a little too much trouble, as in family disowning this chick, ill admit to them that i am actually the spawn of satan, and release her of my evil spells.... 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: thescientist]
    #2075562 - 11/05/03 11:34 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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you doing any research?





yes....

though i cant recite the bible page by page, i have read it through numerous times and get the jist of it...the thing with the bible i dont get, is how people can be so SURE that their translation of the text is what was meant by "god"....

i mean come on people, the book didnt come magically floating out of the sky...the thing was written by people! many different people, over the corse of a very long time....even if it was gods word at the start, how can you be so sure it still is? and some parts are to be taken literally, while others are metaphores....who the fuck decides this shit? anyway, yes im doing research, not only on the bible but on the differences in jehovah witness and other conventional christians...these guys got some weird fucking ideas...



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    #2077501 - 11/06/03 03:22 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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  They don't harm others in any way. They don't go to war, they don't do anything ill-mannered really.

I think there is alot of hostility towards them for no apparent reason.





i will agree with you completly on this one....these people are quite friendly, and i have never had any encounters with them where they were rude, mean or any way otherwise hostile towards me

the part that upsets me is there persistance in their persuit to "save" me...they never let up. i have gotten to my breaking point on this issue...i live in an area where there are alot of JW around... every week i get a knock on the door, after repeatedly asking them to stop coming over. i figure its no use, so i may as well at least listen to what they have to say, and have some fun with it at the same time...

before my little chat with this chick at the bus station a while back, ive never really talked with or debated these types of issues...and to tell you the truth, i got a kick out of it! it was fun seeing the puzzled look on her face as she fumbled through the bible trying to find the answers....she couldnt give me a straight answer to any of my questions, and i think that my encounter got her thinking a little...(either that or shes puttin on a show to try to get me in, in either case, im having fun with it and dont mind talking with such a work of art, i mean this chick is HOT! :grin:)

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  Well...I think you can question their beliefs, and not necessarily be hostile towards them.




exactly, im going about this as respectfully and with as much class as possible...like i said, i dont "dislike" these people, i just want to see what they are all about. i mean, who knows, they may have some inteesting things to say, i should at least give them a shot, right?
   

ummikko, your conversation went EXACTLY as the one i had with this chick, except after a while she replaced the "because the bible says so" answers with "hmmmm, i dont know" and to me thats a good sign....she is at least willing to stop trying to prove herself right all the time, and give my ideas rational thought...i have enjoyed talking with her about my ideas. she may be the exception, and im not expecting to go in there and have them all stand up and praise me for thinking for myself, but it will be fun none the less....

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They aren't stupid and they don't blindly follow there religion. I assume it has enhanced there lives, and that is why they do it.
 




i can agree with you that  they arent stupid, i never once thought this....

but when i say they blindly follow their religion, i am reminded of my chat at the bus station...."it is true cause the bible says so"
sounds a little bit like blind faith to me, but then again im not so easily persuaded....their unwillingness to accept others ideas as possibility, and to believe whole heartedly that THEY are the ONLY one right religion, seems a little blind to me....i guess most religions are a little blind taken in that context, which is probably why i dont consider my self to be of any one particular religion....i think every religion has at least something to offer, and most have the same basic structure of morals and ethics, so i come into this with as open a mind as possible.....



     


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Qlop]
    #2078088 - 11/06/03 06:29 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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They will most likely kick you out. I am not joking.




well, i guess they have that right, since thewy invited me in the first place...i wont be upset if they kick me out

i will listen to what they have to say, and give them a chance to answer my questions....what ever happens,  happens.... either way im not really concerned what happens...i just think that this will be kida fun, something to add to my weird shit ive done list :grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #2078666 - 11/06/03 09:14 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

:grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: shirley knott]
    #2083649 - 11/08/03 10:30 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

lol, not yet but im working on it! :grin:

i think it may take some time to get her consider the posibility that she actually might not go to hell for sex before marriage! :smirk: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2083653 - 11/08/03 10:33 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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The same can be said of Nazis and the KKK. 





:lol: i like that.... :grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: Voodoo]
    #2083882 - 11/08/03 12:10 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

*takes notes ...144,000.....*

got it :grin: 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: ummikko]
    #2084128 - 11/08/03 01:46 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

no, probably not....but the thought did briefly cross my mind.... :lol:

would be kinda funny to see the reaction i get 


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Re: cute jehovah's witness chick at the bus station #2 [Re: shirley knott]
    #2084391 - 11/08/03 03:18 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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i'm gonna bet $100 you don't even get an over-the-jersey feel.




im sure your right....and im sure ill get bored of this whole situation about 10 minutes into this little meeting on tuesday, but i decided to give it a shot...im having fun, and for a goody goody JW, she sure dresses like a slut! :grin: 


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