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Offlinerommstein2001
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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: infidelGOD]
    #2077326 - 11/06/03 04:10 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Its obvious then our young ones are just getting stupid. hehe <<<

That was really offensive. On the offence even when not attacked, I see?


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: rommstein2001]
    #2077388 - 11/06/03 04:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

:wtf:


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2077397 - 11/06/03 04:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I think the democrats are a dying party imo, I think they are dieing cause they cant unite like the republicans do. Democrats are to busy quarreling with each other to unite and try to defeat the Republicans.


And plus a factor with young people being less liberal has to do with their parents also. Their Parents influence most of their political ideals. Parents who grew up in the 70's and 80's are probably more likely to be conservative anyway.


Or itleast thats what i think correct me if im wrong.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2077432 - 11/06/03 04:54 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Frankly, I'm glad the Democrats aren't united. They're the party of diversity and I like it that way. The Republicans are united because they're basically representing the same group of people: rich, white, religious, conservative business-owners(most of them are at least one of those things anyway). The Democrats represent pretty much everyone else. If they became united, they'd be leaving out major parts of their constituency.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #2077502 - 11/06/03 05:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

I think the democrats are a dying party imo



You are correct.


Quote:

I think they are dieing cause they cant unite like the republicans do.



Nah, it's because mainstream America has grown tired.

Tired of light prison sentences.
Tired of high taxes.
Tired of illegal immigrants.
Tired of bilingual education.
Tired of losing control of property rights.
Tired of PC shenanigans.
Tired of.... well tired of pretty much everything the Democrats stand for.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2077537 - 11/06/03 05:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Nah, it's because mainstream America has grown tired.

Nah, don't just list the things you're tired of and say "mainstream america" is tired of them. That's ludicrous.

Mainstream america didn't even vote this prick into power.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: Xlea321]
    #2077553 - 11/06/03 05:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You wouldn't know mainstream America if it bit you on the ass, any more than I could claim to speak for average Brit.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: wingnutx]
    #2077594 - 11/06/03 06:00 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Neither would you - which is why it's silly to say "mainstream america" supports your own personal right-wing agenda. The last election wasn't exactly resounding proof of what "mainstream america is tired of" was it.



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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: Xlea321]
    #2077626 - 11/06/03 06:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Southpark Republicans are coming into their own. THAT is mainstream as hell.

Thank you Andrew Sullivan :smile:



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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: Xlea321]
    #2077774 - 11/06/03 06:59 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"I have a fantastic idea: let's stop all this rhetorical left-right bullshit and actually discuss issues."

YES!!!!!!!!!!

this book I read called the unconcious civillization talks all about that, and about the fact we dont have TRUE capitalism anymore etc.....

check this shit out !!!!!!!

http://www.batemanideas.com/saul.html
http://www.geocities.com/radiochomsky/unconscious-civilization.html

this book is great



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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: silversoul7]
    #2078027 - 11/06/03 08:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
The Republicans are united because they're basically representing the same group of people: rich, white, religious, conservative business-owners(most of them are at least one of those things anyway).




RICH> I've yet to meet any real "rich" conservatives. Everyone rich I've ever met has been a liberal democrat. I don't consider $50k per year rich either, $50k with 4 kids, a wife, and a house just big enough to keep it all will leave most families that size making it from paycheck to paycheck

White> While you are right, the majority are white, But do you REALLY think that's why we're organized?

Religious> There are quite a few right winged people that aren't religious. You are taking what you see on TV as truth. The truth is not many of the conservatives believe in keeping the 10 commandments in court houses or any other church/state merge.



Business owners> And I've only yet met 1 conservative business owner, and he had to close down shop and is now living off of $20k per year. If the majority of us owned businesses it'd have to be a very much smaller party.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: rommstein2001]
    #2078122 - 11/06/03 08:42 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Alright, I'm generalizing a little too much, but my point is that Republicans generally have the same interests in mind(at least more so than the Democrats).


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: Phred]
    #2078132 - 11/06/03 08:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

the conservativism of fox news and southpark is of the worst sort.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: ]
    #2078208 - 11/06/03 09:15 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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the conservativism of fox news and southpark is of the worst sort.




southpark? conservative??? what are talking about?

and expand what you meant by that, what 'sort' of conservatism.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: Tao]
    #2078227 - 11/06/03 09:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

South Park is neither liberal nor conservative. It's countercultural.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: Tao]
    #2078234 - 11/06/03 09:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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southpark? conservative??? what are talking about?




I second that. I only seeing them moking conservative views... and just making fun of them.

Its hallarious because you're like...did cartman just say that?! Its so stupidly right-winged that its funny... and I don't think they are doing it because they are getting a point across, they are doing it on sarcasam.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: Tao]
    #2078239 - 11/06/03 09:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

what are talking about?

southpark is not politically correct. i suppose for some, this is enough to label it "conservative". i'd say only that it doesn't push the same liberal values as most broadcast television, but that's not saying much. silversoul is right in that it's really not liberal or conservative.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: Xlea321]
    #2078444 - 11/06/03 10:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The last election wasn't exactly resounding proof of what "mainstream america is tired of" was it.

the fact that the dems couldn't put anyone up who could beat bush in a landslide says alot. if they couldn't win decisively against dubya, i don't know who they're going to win against. unless they can find themselves another smooth-talker, i don't think we'll be seeing another democrat president for a while.





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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: ]
    #2078506 - 11/06/03 10:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

why is the democratic party dying?

because for far too long, they have relied on votes bought with stolen money to get themselves into office.

because their policies do not build, they merely re-appropriate. their policies are not sound economically, and people are starting to realize it. at the end of the day, that's what most people are concerned with.


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Re: The young are becoming less liberal [Re: ]
    #2078547 - 11/06/03 10:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

whereas trickle-down economics is a flawless economic policy....... :P


mushmaster--its not about what will maximize our already-sufficient incomes, its about helping people in danger of starvation, homelessness and not receiving health-care. i dont vote for them because i want anyone's money, i'll be fine economically when i have a career, i just believe that we as a society should pool some of our already-sufficient money together to help those in need, and i use my vote to show that idea. your obsession with economic freedom and maximizing potential blinds you from a much greater cause: the basic needs of impoverished individuals' lives.


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