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why?
    #2070695 - 11/04/03 08:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

why are US troops to be in iraq for so long?

they're talking now like we're going to be there for a while. but why?

how long does it really take to hold free elections and support the new democratically elected constitutional government until it can form a military of its own? (if that is indeed our intention. i can't think of any other rightous intention).


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Re: why? [Re: ]
    #2070704 - 11/04/03 08:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

US troops are going to be in Iraq permanently now. They'll probably even build a base there.


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Re: why? [Re: trendal]
    #2070709 - 11/04/03 08:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I hate to say it,but I think it's true. I think we are going to have a permanent position in Iraq.


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Re: why? [Re: ]
    #2070737 - 11/04/03 08:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Why?

Why are US troops to be in Iraq long term/permenantly?

Because of course, that's the nature of imperialism! How decieved and manipulated are the voters there anyways?!?

Will America please do itself and all of us a favour?...vote in governments interested in building a civilization. The age of kings should of passed long ago.


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Re: why? [Re: ]
    #2070989 - 11/04/03 09:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Because we have to make sure that the new government will respect Halliburton's oil contract, allow us to build military bases there, and be a generally agreeable puppet government.


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Re: why? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2071009 - 11/04/03 09:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Ding! What has he won, Johnny? :tongue2:

The question is how long can coalition troops withstand the increasingly more sophisticated terror attacks.


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Re: why? [Re: Zahid]
    #2071019 - 11/04/03 09:51 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
Ding! What has he won, Johnny?



If Ashcroft had his way, I'd get the electric chair.


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Re: why? [Re: monoamine]
    #2071450 - 11/04/03 11:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

US military occupation of the muslim holy land
(Saudi Arabia) is a driving force behind much
of the anti american sentiment driving these
extremist groups.

funny how the war on terror works that way.


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Re: why? [Re: ]
    #2071476 - 11/04/03 11:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

3 reasons:

1. O
2. I
3. L



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Re: why? [Re: afoaf]
    #2071483 - 11/04/03 11:48 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

afoaf writes:

US military occupation of the muslim holy land
(Saudi Arabia) is a driving force behind much
of the anti american sentiment driving these
extremist groups.


"Occupation" is not an accurate word. There were US troops stationed on Saudi soil at the invitation of the Saudi regime in order to deter Hussein from invading, yes, but they weren't "occupying" Saudi Arabia.

As for it being a driving force, we'll see. Now that the US is withdrawing those troops and leaving the Saudis to their own devices, there should be a decrease in the number of extremist groups if your theory is correct.

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Re: why? [Re: Phred]
    #2071561 - 11/05/03 12:12 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

us military bases on the arabian peninsula,
including Qatar, UAE, Somalia and Saudi
Arabia surely can't make muslims happy.

don't confuse driving force with sole purpose.

there are a whole host of things that would
have to happen to quell this latest incarnation
of terrorism and decrease the number of
extremist groups.

israel comes to mind.



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Re: why? [Re: afoaf]
    #2071578 - 11/05/03 12:19 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

israel comes to mind.




I think if we told Israel to fuck off and fend for itself,there would be a great decrease in anti American sentiment among Muslims.


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Re: why? [Re: afoaf]
    #2071596 - 11/05/03 12:23 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

And the Muslim Holy Places located in Qatar, UAE, and Somalia would be.....?

And no, I don't confuse "driving force" with "sole purpose". If it was "sole purpose", then we would expect to see not just a reduction in extremist behavior, but a complete cessation.

there are a whole host of things that would
have to happen to quell this latest incarnation
of terrorism and decrease the number of
extremist groups.

israel comes to mind.


Well, Israel has been there for fifty-five years, and it isn't going anywhere, so I guess we'll just have to see how the US withdrawal from Saudi Arabia changes things.



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Re: why? [Re: Phred]
    #2071609 - 11/05/03 12:30 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps if we stayed out of the whole situation it would help matters? (Israel)


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Edited by monoamine (11/05/03 12:31 AM)


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Re: why? [Re: monoamine]
    #2071615 - 11/05/03 12:32 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Do you mean no entangling or permanent alliances? Do you mean taking the advice of our first and third presidents? How about Eisenhower's advice to beware of the military industrial complex?


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Re: why? [Re: Evolving]
    #2071631 - 11/05/03 12:38 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

I mean taking what conservatives propose (smaller government,no meddling in foreign matters) and not being totally hypocritical about it.

It's fine to send humanitarian aid,but the weapons gotta go. (or money to buy weapons,whatever)


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Edited by monoamine (11/05/03 12:39 AM)


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Re: why? [Re: monoamine]
    #2071636 - 11/05/03 12:40 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

monoamine said:
Quote:

israel comes to mind.




I think if we told Israel to fuck off and fend for itself,there would be a great decrease in anti American sentiment among Muslims.



Ya, and it would make the religious right in this country totally shit their pants. I'd pay to see the look on their faces if that happened.


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Re: why? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2071646 - 11/05/03 12:43 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Oh,it's never going to happen,but if our government really did want to fight terrorism,it would be a good start.

But,I mean,they read from the same 2000 year old,infallible book,so they have to stand up for one another.


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Re: why? [Re: monoamine]
    #2071653 - 11/05/03 12:47 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Muslims read the Bible too.


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Re: why? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2071657 - 11/05/03 12:48 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Really? Is this a normal thing?


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