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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20717412 - 10/17/14 08:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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so grow a mushroom in total darkness and the same iso one in proper light and you tell me they dont derive energy from the light!
I never said chloroplasts, you did... they're mushrooms, not a plant you know.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20717484 - 10/17/14 08:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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so grow a mushroom in total darkness and the same iso one in proper light and you tell me they dont derive energy from the light!
I never said chloroplasts, you did... they're mushrooms, not a plant you know.
Yeah space...i was hoping you of all would know that...chloroplasts are the only way any organism can derive energy from light....and mushrooms do not have them. and before you were claiming light = big flat caps when i clearly said genetics has more influence
Everything in this statement is wrong:
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spacechildo said: its not about being a pinning trigger its about light being very important for getting fat nice shrooms with big caps. mushrooms derive energy from light.
Light is important, but as a pinning signal (secondary. fae - primary)
"While sunlight provides an energy source for plants, mushrooms derive all of their energy and growth materials from their growth medium, through biochemical decomposition processes."
"This does not mean that light is an irrelevant requirement, since some fungi use light as a signal for fruiting." .....which means a pinning trigger

You give good advice around here but this time spread misinformation?
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20717563 - 10/17/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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grow a tub in total darkness then. you're way off this time.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?terms=is+lights+important+in+fruiting
read 'em and weep. there's a lot to mushrooms that we dont know yet. plants need chloroplasts, shrooms do it in a different yet unknown way to us.
where do you get all those BS quotes from? some random stoner you know? quotes from several TC's here:
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Zalitosis said: You don't need much light at all. The mushrooms don't need light to live like normal plants, it just tells them which way to grow. As long as they are getting some sort of light through the holes, they will grow just fine.
Wtf do people keep repeating this bullshit? We've known for many years it's wrong.
Mushrooms grown in proper light will be double or more in weight and other qualities people desire. Mushrooms don't need as intense light as plants but they do need very bright light to reach full potential. Nobody finds mushrooms in dark areas in nature.
Lighting requirements of mushrooms. RR
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PussyFart said: Also...........
Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.
You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.
You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.
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Really? Even shroomery doesn't seem to put much stock in it on its main page. http://www.shroomery.org/5124/Do-mushrooms-need-light-to-grow-and-how-much
Roger rabbit doesn't really talk about it much except for its help of pins...he even states that some mushrooms don't even need light to grow!
Assuming that we are referring to P cubensis they benefit from light.
Here are a few quotes where RR states that light is important.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7532252#7532252
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Light is extremely important to good mushroom formation, and it's nothing to do with which way is up. Gravity takes care of that function. The post quoted above is only one of many times I've typed that.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11517910#11517910
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I beg to disagree that light is just a pinning trigger. If you doubt this, run lights until you get a pinset, and then shut them off. The fruits will be small and under-formed compared to a control group exposed to light the whole time. That has all the hallmarks of deriving energy from the light.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11004204#11004204
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Light is required not only for pinning, but for proper mushroom development as well. Mushroom mycelium derives energy from light. Mushrooms grown without sufficient lighting are weak, thin and have little weight compared to mushrooms grown with proper lighting. That's why I have over 400 watts of 6500 Kelvin LED lighting in my grow room. It's as bright as daylight in there, and the walls are painted bright white to reflect the light around the room.
SO, .... Yes, really......
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nooneman said: They should have light at every stage of the process. They need signifigant amounts of light in the right spectrum. Don't colonize in darkness, don't pin in darkness, don't grow in darkness. Use light in the right spectrum the whole way. 12/12 is a good schedule.
Yup! Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Suspend a small full spectrum florescent light over the top of your fc, on the outside. put it on a timer to come on 12/12 or even 10/14 if you wanna save power. then, forget about it. Of course, your fc needs to have a clear top. Light actually aids in the grow of mycelium during colonization of the substrate as well.
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This is just flat-out wrong, and not based on fact other than the part about mushrooms not being plants.
This is not even a controversy. Too many mushroom farms have put in bright LED strings or 6500K fluorescent lamps after reading about work done at Mountain Mushroom Farm. Fungi Perfecti also now colonizes and fruits substrates exposed to 6500K light for 12 hours per day from start to finish. All have reported increases in yield far beyond the costs of the lights or electricity.
In fact, I ran some tests several years ago with 400 watt MH lamps with a color temperature of 4500K. Yields were well above what was achieved with fluorescent lamps. More research is needed to find the upper limit of effectiveness as far as brightness is concerned. Full spectrum works better than any individual frequency.
As I've said for years, some mushrooms will grow in total darkness, just not well. Furthermore, since most of the members around here have never grown anything but cubes, it should be noted they rarely grow in the shade. I've picked thousands of pounds of wild cubes from the very middle of cow pastures in Texas without anything but a few blades of grass for shade. RR
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20717682 - 10/17/14 08:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not arguing that light isn't important.
Dude unless you have a 300W hps/MH with a ballast virtually none of this applies to OP and most growers.
You are aware of that right?
that OPs 23 watt bulb is still going to be 23 watt at the end of the day
so your implying that it's worth it for OP to blow five hundred on overkill lighting?
RR is referring to commercial shitaake growing this is a simple pf tek...
KISS method
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: Mushiez]
#20717683 - 10/17/14 08:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: its not about being a pinning trigger its about light being very important for getting fat nice shrooms with big caps. mushrooms derive energy from light.
No, mushrooms do not have chloroplasts they cannot in any way chemically derive energy from light. Light is a pinning signal & during colonization has a role in metabolic rate, that's it. Big flat caps have nothing to do with it especially with MS. It's all in the DNA. That's why clones look homogenous..and MS carries hundred of different morphologies.
Genetics genetics genetics
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: Mushiez]
#20717705 - 10/17/14 08:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mushiez said: I'm not arguing that light isn't important.
Dude unless you have a 300W hps/MH with a ballast virtually none of this applies to OP and most growers.
You are aware of that right?
that OPs 23 watt bulb is still going to be 23 watt at the end of the day
so your implying that it's worth it for OP to blow five hundred on overkill lighting?
RR is referring to commercial shitaake growing this is a simple pf tek...
KISS method
NO, I'm saying that its really important that he uses that 23w 6500k light, because mushrooms derive energy from light
its needed to grow proper fruits and get big caps. idk what you think you just read but no one suggested a large expensive hps lamp.. thats for plants..
now please stop these moronic statements and let OP have his thread back. light is important. read the link. do the searches. taste the science.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: PurePleasure]
#20717772 - 10/17/14 09:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: its not about being a pinning trigger its about light being very important for getting fat nice shrooms with big caps. mushrooms derive energy from light.
No, mushrooms do not have chloroplasts they cannot in any way chemically derive energy from light. Light is a pinning signal & during colonization has a role in metabolic rate, that's it. Big flat caps have nothing to do with it especially with MS. It's all in the DNA. That's why clones look homogenous..and MS carries hundred of different morphologies.
Genetics genetics genetics

Mushrooms don't derive energy from light. They do not photosynthesize. That's it. The difference is metabolic. It's circadian. I don't care which TC said it, or if jesus said it. Show me an NCBI publication and we'll talk. Out.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: Mushiez]
#20717797 - 10/17/14 09:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What are you even arguing? It's like you're acknowledging that mushrooms produce healthier fruits with a proper light cycle, but it's not due to energy from the light, it's something else? Ok, well, whatever it is, I'll still put lights on my chamber.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: Mushiez]
#20717802 - 10/17/14 09:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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have you ever grown a tub in darkness vs a tub in proper lighting? 
all the evidence I ever needed...
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stareatclouds said: What are you even arguing? It's like you're acknowledging that mushrooms produce healthier fruits with a proper light cycle, but it's not due to energy from the light, it's something else? Ok, well, whatever it is, I'll still put lights on my chamber.
exactly! mushiez' the only one who talks about photosynthesis, I'm saying its for some reason we yet do not know!
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stareatclouds said: What are you even arguing? It's like you're acknowledging that mushrooms produce healthier fruits with a proper light cycle, but it's not due to energy from the light
Exactly this. Right, Space. We don't know for sure yet. To test it one would need genetically identical monotubs, control vs light. It could even be that light changes genetic expression. There's a really cool branch of research study out there called epigenetics. It explores the role of the environment on DNA expression. Sorry OP for the debating
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I don't have chloroplasts but I get things essential to my health like vitamin D from sunlight. They may not get energy from the sun in the way plants do but mushrooms do require light to mature properly. That's why enoki mushroom grown in the dark have almost no caps. I once grew cubes in my yard waste bin in total darkness. The resulting fruits were pale whit with small caps. they looked much different from the cubes I grew on a 12/12 light cycle using the same isolate. It has also been documented that cubes grown in the dark have low or no potency.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20717919 - 10/17/14 09:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: PF did a LOT of weird stuff. he didn't give his cakes air nor water 
and the un disputable BEST way to give your cakes fresh air is by the SGFC. but as pf's no hole sealed aquarium showed cubes can grow in the worst conditions possible. this guy fruited his in the trash can doesnt mean you should do it tho...
the pf tek was designed back in the day when everyone hand fanned for fae. so he was getting plenty of fresh air it was just alot of work.
tubs used to be like this.
perlite in the bottom. drip shield which was a plastic plexiglass laid in the tub at an angle. you would mist that instead of the sides so that the cakes didn't get mist on them. then people would add a bottle with water and use fish tubing to push fresh air in using a bubbler stone in the water.
those were some old methods. but he was giving the cakes plenty of fresh air but it required you to fan it 3 times a day which is a nightmare.
plain and simple indirect light coming in through the window with the binds almost shut is enough to fruit and get great results. you don't have to use any type of lighting if you don't want to. its personal preference. you can still easily get full canopy flushes using indirect sunlight.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: Mushiez]
#20717938 - 10/17/14 09:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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we KNOW for sure that light during fruiting gives way larger fruits. WHY it is so doesnt matter. we know its not because of photosynthesis. words doesnt matter, results do. for best results, add direct bright 6500k lights during fruiting!
why do you think mushroom farms like RR's uses so much light if it wasnt important?
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: Mushiez]
#20717952 - 10/17/14 09:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: its not about being a pinning trigger its about light being very important for getting fat nice shrooms with big caps. mushrooms derive energy from light.
No, mushrooms do not have chloroplasts they cannot in any way chemically derive energy from light. Light is a pinning signal & during colonization has a role in metabolic rate, that's it. Big flat caps have nothing to do with it especially with MS. It's all in the DNA. That's why clones look homogenous..and MS carries hundred of different morphologies.
Genetics genetics genetics
said it perfectly...no photosynthesis, it's possibly the same reason they are a reflective gold by nature. I believe the pinning trigger by light mean could indicate the mycelium wants the fruits to be easily seen by cattle for reproductive purposes.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: eatyualive]
#20717956 - 10/17/14 09:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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eatyualive said:
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spacechildo said: PF did a LOT of weird stuff. he didn't give his cakes air nor water 
and the un disputable BEST way to give your cakes fresh air is by the SGFC. but as pf's no hole sealed aquarium showed cubes can grow in the worst conditions possible. this guy fruited his in the trash can doesnt mean you should do it tho...
the pf tek was designed back in the day when everyone hand fanned for fae. so he was getting plenty of fresh air it was just alot of work.
tubs used to be like this.
perlite in the bottom. drip shield which was a plastic plexiglass laid in the tub at an angle. you would mist that instead of the sides so that the cakes didn't get mist on them. then people would add a bottle with water and use fish tubing to push fresh air in using a bubbler stone in the water.
those were some old methods. but he was giving the cakes plenty of fresh air but it required you to fan it 3 times a day which is a nightmare.
plain and simple indirect light coming in through the window with the binds almost shut is enough to fruit and get great results. you don't have to use any type of lighting if you don't want to. its personal preference. you can still easily get full canopy flushes using indirect sunlight.
I've used my share of glass aquariums and drip shields back in the days, but there's no question shrooms grown with proper constant FAE gives way better results! sunlight is god as far as light goes, but you cant do it in the dark! or, you can of course, but it will give you puny looking shrooms. did you see this, a guy threw his cakes in the trash can and they still fruited:
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20717957 - 10/17/14 09:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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When i did pf tek 12 years ago i had ultra sonic humidifiers tubed to an ass of coolers with drip shields and wire at the bottom. I've never had a sgfc or used perlite.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: sooperdooper]
#20717971 - 10/17/14 09:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mushiez said:
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spacechildo said: its not about being a pinning trigger its about light being very important for getting fat nice shrooms with big caps. mushrooms derive energy from light.
No, mushrooms do not have chloroplasts they cannot in any way chemically derive energy from light. Light is a pinning signal & during colonization has a role in metabolic rate, that's it. Big flat caps have nothing to do with it especially with MS. It's all in the DNA. That's why clones look homogenous..and MS carries hundred of different morphologies.
Genetics genetics genetics
said it perfectly...no photosynthesis, it's possibly the same reason they are a reflective gold by nature. I believe the pinning trigger by light mean could indicate the mycelium wants the fruits to be easily seen by cattle for reproductive purposes.
we're not talking pinning triggers we're talking fruit growth. and of course there's no photosynthesis, mushiez is the only one who's tlaking about that in regard to musrhooms.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20718007 - 10/17/14 09:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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sooperdooper said:
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spacechildo said: its not about being a pinning trigger its about light being very important for getting fat nice shrooms with big caps. mushrooms derive energy from light.
No, mushrooms do not have chloroplasts they cannot in any way chemically derive energy from light. Light is a pinning signal & during colonization has a role in metabolic rate, that's it. Big flat caps have nothing to do with it especially with MS. It's all in the DNA. That's why clones look homogenous..and MS carries hundred of different morphologies.
Genetics genetics genetics
said it perfectly...no photosynthesis, it's possibly the same reason they are a reflective gold by nature. I believe the pinning trigger by light mean could indicate the mycelium wants the fruits to be easily seen by cattle for reproductive purposes.
we're not talking pinning triggers we're talking fruit growth. and of course there's no photosynthesis, mushiez is the only one who's tlaking about that in regard to musrhooms.
Which could also be the reason for large caps. (More light + gold color + big caps = more visible) Meh...just a theory
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: sooperdooper]
#20718034 - 10/17/14 10:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This shit is debatable until the cows come home. Light is beneficial. How? Who the fuck knows? Will they grow w/out light? Yes. How well? Someone try it and report back. And new uses are always being discovered. Remember this? http://news.psu.edu/story/283430/2013/08/05/research/ultraviolet-flashes-can-create-vitamin-d-enriched-mushrooms
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: azur]
#20718075 - 10/17/14 10:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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a LOT of people have tried and reported back. the SE is riddled with under-developed shrooms grown in the dark 
you can easily tell if a grow has gotten enough light by the looks of the caps. why do you think people cut their lids and replace with see-through glass or plastic?
My grows done in dark buckets with clear cut out lids always look punier than the ones grown in see through tubs.
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