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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: weaksause]
#20706415 - 10/15/14 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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PF did a LOT of weird stuff. he didn't give his cakes air nor water 
and the un disputable BEST way to give your cakes fresh air is by the SGFC. but as pf's no hole sealed aquarium showed cubes can grow in the worst conditions possible. this guy fruited his in the trash can doesnt mean you should do it tho...
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20706431 - 10/15/14 01:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: PF did a LOT of weird stuff. he didn't give his cakes air nor water 
and the un disputable BEST way to give your cakes fresh air is by the SGFC. but as pf's no hole sealed aquarium showed cubes can grow in the worst conditions possible. this guy fruited his in the trash can doesnt mean you should do it tho...
well no air and or no water would mean ded cakes, idunno too much about pf sides the tek in high times
yeah i agree, ofc you should try to optimize conditions. the post i quoted claimed there was no FAE cuz it wasnt a SGFC,which means he was confused (cuz fae exists w/o a sgfc) and that SGFC was necessary with pf tek, which clearly it isnt the namesake of the tek didnt use them
you're claiming his spray shield aquarium was the worst conditions possible now, that's false
ofc worse conditions are easily conceivable
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: weaksause]
#20706439 - 10/15/14 01:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I really dont get what you're trying to say 
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weaksause said: there are a number of acceptable ways to give cakes FAE
define acceptable please. if you feel the trash can or aquarium is acceptable maybe keep that to yourself? try a sgfc and see the difference. I know I have.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20706490 - 10/15/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: I really dont get what you're trying to say 
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weaksause said: there are a number of acceptable ways to give cakes FAE
define acceptable please. if you feel the trash can or aquarium is acceptable maybe keep that to yourself? try a sgfc and see the difference. I know I have.
not sure how you managed to grab that meaning lol
acceptable i guess now you bring it up would be individual obv. acceptable for an average home cultivator is not acceptable for a shroom farm. i dont think a spray shield aquarium would be acceptable for me, nor would an unmodified garbage can. although many people found the aquariums acceptable, so maybe 10 yrs ago i'd have too.
monotub is acceptable, GH acceptable, outdoor acceptable ... i mean i'm a noob here, i'm sure that' apparent ... but even i can quickly think of different ways of providing FAE. noone needs a SGFC there are plenty of options 
it's a great ingenious device, no doubt. but it's not the only option. far from it:)
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: weaksause]
#20706506 - 10/15/14 02:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you can't put 8-12 cakes in a huge monotub and expect good results. you come off pretty harsh for a newb..if you'd been around longer you'd know there's close to 0 FAE in a closed tote like that, and not facepalm when another member gives good advice
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20706547 - 10/15/14 02:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey, sorry i dont mean to be discouraging or harsh but when someone says something inaccurate i may give a facepalm, lol. no negativity meant at all
stareatclouds said:
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There is no free air exchange because you aren't using a shotgun fruiting chamber which is a must-have for PF Tek cakes.
no, sorry that's incorrect he doesn't have fae because it's a closed tote, and a sgfc isn't a must have for pf cakes
i think my dude stareatclouds simply didnt clarify, so i clarified following what stareatclouds said is fine, duh. it's wrong though
a monotub has close to zero fae? i disagree with that:( you can dial in a monotub full of cakes no problem with a fan pointed at the wall, and generally good house conditions what am i missing? i'm here too learn so lmk i don't like some of the all or nothing statements, like u must use a sgfc
there's a number of ways to fruit cakes
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20706611 - 10/15/14 02:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I never said a monotub has close to 0 fae. I said a closed tote like this. a sgfc is pretty much a must for pf-cakes. if you want decent results. which I guess we all want. GH's arent newb friendly and not to be expected to be built either.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20706647 - 10/15/14 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: I never said a monotub has close to 0 fae. I said a closed tote like this. a sgfc is pretty much a must for pf-cakes. if you want decent results. which I guess we all want. GH's arent newb friendly and not to be expected to be built either.
its not even close to pretty much a must, u dont even need a fc u can fruit in vitro u can fruit in upside down quart jars, u can slurry and spawn to bulk, u can fruit in a closed aquarium, if ur like me and u sit around fanning all day u can fruit in 2 liter bottles u can fruit outside, i mean th elist goes on
maybe ur the type to follow the fads, im the type to think out of the box and dont like to follow fads. there's a place for both types, right? 
sorry thought i was confused about a monotub obviously a closed space doesnt freely exchange air didnt need to be here at all to know that:)
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: weaksause]
#20706705 - 10/15/14 02:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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in vitro = no FAE. "in upside down quart jars" sounds like no FAE. slurry and spawning isnt fruiting, its spawning. closed aquarium = no FAE. coke bottle = either no fae or sgfc design.
as I said cubes are sturdy fucker that can fruit in a trash can, but that doesnt mean you should do it.
the PMP's are the thing between aquarium and sgfc. history shows what works best!
And to say I follow fads is the most ridiculous thing I've heard since last time *poor-user who wont be mentioned here* made a post.
If you knew all the fucked up shit I did to my cakes before I found the shroomery you'd know why I say you seriously need a SGFC for best results. 
read some more, then try doing it, and come back and discuss.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20706743 - 10/15/14 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: in vitro = no FAE. "in upside down quart jars" sounds like no FAE. slurry and spawning isnt fruiting, its spawning. closed aquarium = no FAE. coke bottle = either no fae or sgfc design.
as I said cubes are sturdy fucker that can fruit in a trash can, but that doesnt mean you should do it.
the PMP's are the thing between aquarium and sgfc. history shows what works best!
And to say I follow fads is the most ridiculous thing I've heard since last time *poor-user who wont be mentioned here* made a post.
If you knew all the fucked up shit I did to my cakes before I found the shroomery you'd know why I say you seriously need a SGFC for best results. 
read some more, then try doing it, and come back and discuss.
aight wasnt saying al those methods facilitate fae, saying they are alternatives to sgfc. yo, i dk what i said to make it seem like i was suggesting NOT doing a sgfc. i certainly think it's valid!!
the upside down quart jar is called chronic tek, good option if u want cleanest possible prints
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20706815 - 10/15/14 03:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you gotta take out the cakes to drill the tub. try thinking stuff through before you say them dude 
What the fuck are you talking about? No you dont....... i was talking about getting a different tub since that one has some bigger holes in it. I do think my shit through, why dont you take to time out to think about what i say... it looks like that tub already has a 1 sq foot hole in the lid, genius.
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Edited by PurePleasure (10/15/14 03:07 PM)
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: PurePleasure]
#20706846 - 10/15/14 03:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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weaksause said:
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spacechildo said: in vitro = no FAE. "in upside down quart jars" sounds like no FAE. slurry and spawning isnt fruiting, its spawning. closed aquarium = no FAE. coke bottle = either no fae or sgfc design.
as I said cubes are sturdy fucker that can fruit in a trash can, but that doesnt mean you should do it.
the PMP's are the thing between aquarium and sgfc. history shows what works best!
And to say I follow fads is the most ridiculous thing I've heard since last time *poor-user who wont be mentioned here* made a post.
If you knew all the fucked up shit I did to my cakes before I found the shroomery you'd know why I say you seriously need a SGFC for best results. 
read some more, then try doing it, and come back and discuss.
aight wasnt saying al those methods facilitate fae, saying they are alternatives to sgfc. yo, i dk what i said to make it seem like i was suggesting NOT doing a sgfc. i certainly think it's valid!!
the upside down quart jar is called chronic tek, good option if u want cleanest possible prints 
well cleaneast possible prints sounds like another no FAE fc.. but what everyone thinks but doesnt say in each sentence is "to get the best results" or "to get decent results"
otherwise you wouldnt need anything but spores grains and water to grow. when the grains contam throw them in the trash, wait for a shroom to appear  but I think we actually agree but aren't saying it the same way. and btw, fruiting cakes in vitro, where would you have room to get any decent shrooms? you'll just have some squeezed shrooms against the glass!
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you gotta take out the cakes to drill the tub. try thinking stuff through before you say them dude 
What the fuck are you talking about? No you dont....... i was talking about getting a different tub since that one has some bigger holes in it. I do think my shit through, why dont you take to time out to think about what i say... it looks like that tub already has a 1 sq foot hole in the lid, genius. 
"that one" doesnt have "some bigger holes" that cant be taped shut. it doesnt take much brains to figure out what you're saying it just takes a lot to not facepalm your every post.. and you really should try to think through your stuff before you say shit. just look at them ratings, I'm not the only one who tells you to 
1sq foot hole? you better get your eyes checked man, just earlier you thought a 66qt tub was a small tray that'd fit in a sgfc
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: spacechildo]
#20706886 - 10/15/14 03:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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weaksause said:
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spacechildo said: in vitro = no FAE. "in upside down quart jars" sounds like no FAE. slurry and spawning isnt fruiting, its spawning. closed aquarium = no FAE. coke bottle = either no fae or sgfc design.
as I said cubes are sturdy fucker that can fruit in a trash can, but that doesnt mean you should do it.
the PMP's are the thing between aquarium and sgfc. history shows what works best!
And to say I follow fads is the most ridiculous thing I've heard since last time *poor-user who wont be mentioned here* made a post.
If you knew all the fucked up shit I did to my cakes before I found the shroomery you'd know why I say you seriously need a SGFC for best results. 
read some more, then try doing it, and come back and discuss.
aight wasnt saying al those methods facilitate fae, saying they are alternatives to sgfc. yo, i dk what i said to make it seem like i was suggesting NOT doing a sgfc. i certainly think it's valid!!
the upside down quart jar is called chronic tek, good option if u want cleanest possible prints 
well cleaneast possible prints sounds like another no FAE fc.. but what everyone thinks but doesnt say in each sentence is "to get the best results" or "to get decent results"
otherwise you wouldnt need anything but spores grains and water to grow. when the grains contam throw them in the trash, wait for a shroom to appear  but I think we actually agree but aren't saying it the same way. and btw, fruiting cakes in vitro, where would you have room to get any decent shrooms? you'll just have some squeezed shrooms against the glass!
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spacechildo said:

you gotta take out the cakes to drill the tub. try thinking stuff through before you say them dude 
What the fuck are you talking about? No you dont....... i was talking about getting a different tub since that one has some bigger holes in it. I do think my shit through, why dont you take to time out to think about what i say... it looks like that tub already has a 1 sq foot hole in the lid, genius. 
"that one" doesnt have "some bigger holes" that cant be taped shut. it doesnt take much brains to figure out what you're saying it just takes a lot to not facepalm your every post.. and you really should try to think through your stuff before you say shit. just look at them ratings, I'm not the only one who tells you to 
1sq foot hole? you better get your eyes checked man, just earlier you thought a 66qt tub was a small tray that'd fit in a sgfc 
Bro...... Look at the lid. That tub is screwed when it comes to making a sgfc unless you have another lid. you cant buy just the lid. let me guess, you think he should put 1 foot long strips of tape on it and drill holes in them? or should he drill holes in the glass and leave it taped on the lid  and a 66 qt tray would fit in my sgfc.. there isn't just one universal size of a sgfc.... pull your head outta your ass and open up you ears, maing...
-------------------- If you aren't happy with what you have now, how could you be any happier with more? (Get your SGFC high.)

Edited by PurePleasure (10/15/14 03:24 PM)
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: PurePleasure]
#20706900 - 10/15/14 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh go dunk some more trays in your SAB wont ya, in the meanwhile you can think over why you think he should wait another day to give those cakes a SGFC...
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: weaksause]
#20707089 - 10/15/14 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP if you want to use humidifiers and stuff like that just get a martha greenhouse. They don't work with cakes, though.
You could grow in a bucket, an opaque bin, a cut open coke bottle, hell you can even grow without a FC at all -- if you can pay enough attention to them. The SG is just the most efficient way for someone with a full time job and a dozen cakes to do it. And ya, those cakes need more air.
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: Quexl]
#20707425 - 10/15/14 05:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Holy fucking shit this thread
OP, Build a damn SGFC and mist/fan your cakes and you will do fine. It's not rocket appliances
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: Big Bear]
#20710647 - 10/16/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Built shotgun fruting chamber last night humidities currently at 99 temp at 72 and seems to have no more white fuzz growth fanning when I wake before work and twice more after work spread out by a couple hours thanks you guys
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: Mikecom]
#20711034 - 10/16/14 01:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Show us pics
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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: Mikecom]
#20711143 - 10/16/14 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mikecom said: Built shotgun fruting chamber last night humidities currently at 99 temp at 72 and seems to have no more white fuzz growth fanning when I wake before work and twice more after work spread out by a couple hours thanks you guys 
-------------------- If you aren't happy with what you have now, how could you be any happier with more? (Get your SGFC high.)

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Re: White fuzz on Brf cake advice [Re: PurePleasure]
#20711904 - 10/16/14 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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2x2 grid all around elevated
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