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Re: what mainstream/some-what mainstream religion are you associated with? [Re: zZZz]
    #20685518 - 10/10/14 06:56 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Hm. I gotta look into this

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Re: what mainstream/some-what mainstream religion are you associated with? [Re: lowbrow]
    #20685538 - 10/10/14 07:02 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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No.  But probably a little more accurate than a layman's opinion.

Where do you think modern morality came from?




You're backpedaling in order to rescue your argument. We weren't talking about modern morality. We were talking about morality in general.


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Re: what mainstream/some-what mainstream religion are you associated with? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #20685573 - 10/10/14 07:13 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

we'll we've already established that morality came from god, so there is nothing further to discuss about the topic. now it's time heal.


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Re: what mainstream/some-what mainstream religion are you associated with? [Re: zZZz]
    #20686507 - 10/10/14 10:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I would say that morality predates religion, but I think there is no way to know until we build a time machine (or hyper-real-computer simulations) and go back to the dawn of civilization. 

I think that if there is a god, the great majority of hard evidence shows that he is not really intervening in humans like religion makes him out to be.  So we found that it was better, more conducive for survival to cooperate on a basic societal level.  Many non-religious organisms do this.  Over time, due to a complicated set of (un)fortunate circumstances, we had a great leap of intelligence where a lucky mutation gave us critical thinking skills.

At this point we start to think "why?" and some part of the opportunist element invented religion because they have an inflated sense of self importance.  All religions tend to say that the ones with the secret knowledge are closer to god, and are therefore more important.  To me this is insulting to the people who actually struggled, and worked, and fought for us all to be here today.

So I guess I do get into a little bit of ancestor worship.  I like that as a religion and did actually have a "religious experience" once that got me to quit taking heroin, but I still call myself agnostic because I don't think any god I care about would mind, and it just makes things easy.

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Re: what mainstream/some-what mainstream religion are you associated with? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #20686571 - 10/10/14 11:08 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I think that morality is an essential component of the Homo sapiens' emotional toolbox, an adaptation crucial to its survival strategy. It is extolled by religion and often co-opted by religion, but it was the religion that was built around the morality, not the morality around the religion, as zealots like to say and areligious people surprisingly often like to believe.

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Re: what mainstream/some-what mainstream religion are you associated with? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #20686609 - 10/10/14 11:20 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah well to me morality and cooperation go hand-in-hand.  Religion seems more about co-opting people.

It also speaks to the connection between conservatism in the US being all about "survival of the fittest" competition and Christ simultaneously.

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Re: what mainstream/some-what mainstream religion are you associated with? [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #20686620 - 10/10/14 11:23 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah well to me morality and cooperation go hand-in-hand.  Religion seems more about co-opting people.

It also speaks to the connection between conservatism in the US being all about "survival of the fittest" competition and Christ simultaneously.




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Re: what mainstream/some-what mainstream religion are you associated with? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #20686892 - 10/11/14 01:00 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Morality certainly predates religion.
It even predates modern language.


Perhaps in the beginning, the verbal concept of "morality" could not be understood or express from lack of language, but it was most certainly felt.

Everyone is born and conditioned into a set of habits that determines how they conduct themselves. Morality is not an exception to this procedure.

Happiness, and misery. Decisions on how you interact with others, and where you draw your boundaries. Actions you may deem good or bad.
These things happen whether or not you learn the definition of morality.



Morality is an amalgamation of emotion and logic, being applied to circumstances.

Both things, we are inherently born with.




As complexes of the mind, they are deeply seeded roots that are simply feeding into one grand tree.





When at first observed, the tree is seen and suddenly the roots are forgotten;
The observer only contemplates what they perceive;
Which lies above the ground.

That, which is only most apparent to them!






But this is the case for so many things;


So many things.



May all be happy.
Be happy.


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