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InvisibleDazedSol
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Ethno versus Entheo
    #2068567 - 11/03/03 08:21 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Alright.... if 'entheogen' is literally translated to 'the god within'(or something similar), then what is this ethno-(ethnogen,ethnobotony,etc)?
According to my crappy Webster dictionary....ethnology is the study of the different races of men....
How is that relevent to our teacher plants/fungi? Obviously, traditional uses by certain cultures/races come to mind....but why is the prefix ethno- used to describe our entheogens with?

Is the ethno just a bad spelling that caught on? It just seems to be used interchangeably with one another.....

Should this not be the entheogarden? :wink:

Whats your take on this?


 


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: DazedSol]
    #2068585 - 11/03/03 08:32 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

because its a ethnic garden. plants from other cultures used in our garden here. hmm good Q though

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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: the man]
    #2068813 - 11/03/03 10:23 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

haven't it happened before? am i having a deja vu?
the ethnobotany is the science that studies the botany according different ethnies, some plants of those might just be medicinal or whatever, others might be what we call entheogenic plants.
isn't it? i might be wrong.


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: DazedSol]
    #2068933 - 11/03/03 11:19 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

ethno = people
ethnobotannicals are all plants that man has found a use for
fruit, vegetables, medicines, getting high, even trees for timber


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: DazedSol]
    #2068946 - 11/03/03 11:30 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

From the The EG FAQ


What is the difference between an Ethnobotanical and an Entheogen?

An Ethnobotanical by definition is a plant that is used by humans/specific groups of people (more specific).

The word roots are:
Ethn, -o (G): A nation

Botan, = a (G): Pasture, grass, fodder

The roots don't spell out exactly what the words mean in English as say "Philadelphia's" roots do, but the word roots give one an idea why we're using these words. A nation: People, Pasture: plants, A nation of people using plants, or in more crude and blunt terms A nation of plants or a pasture nation.

An Entheogen is by definition a plant that produces God-like states, or plants contain the gods. "God Engenderer"

The roots are:

En (G): In, into

theo (G): Run: a god

gen (G): Bear, produce

The roots provide a more straight forward clue as to the meaning of the word than Ethnobotnical's roots. "God Engenderer"

So all entheogens are ethnobotanicals, but not all ethnobotanicals are entheogens.



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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: neuro]
    #2069646 - 11/04/03 09:23 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

garden a has crops from here & there grown for this & that...
garden b has crops that will open your eyes & blow your mind...
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of course the 2 types of garden can co-exist :wink: ...


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: DazedSol]
    #2072841 - 11/05/03 12:24 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

HEre is Ott's paper on entheogens. Followed by his original article on the name with R. Gordon Wasson and others who wrote the original name and presented it at a conference oin mushrooms and hallucinogens in the late 1970s.

Here are the two original papers on the naming of the word Entheogen.

AFTER CLICKING TO ENLARGE, GOT TO VIEW AT THE TOP OFD THE SCREEN AND CLICK ON FULL SCREEN TO READ. i HAVE TROUBLE WITH TEXT SO IT IS SMALL FOR ME BUT SHOULD BE EASY TO READ FOR PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE EYECLASSES OR VISION PROBLEMS LIKE I DO.

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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: DazedSol]
    #2073457 - 11/05/03 03:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Got it :laugh:

Thanks for the replies all.....


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: DazedSol]
    #2073472 - 11/05/03 04:02 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Great post, I wondered about this myself.


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: DazedSol]
    #20490078 - 08/28/14 07:59 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

"Ethno" is a prefix that relates something to humans. So Ethnobotany would be the study how plants relate to or affect humans.

"Entheo" translates to "god within" in Greek. So Entheobotany would translate literally to "god within plants."

Entheobotany is basically an offshoot of Ethnobotany, and even more obscure / misinterpreted.


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: Eleusi5]
    #20490714 - 08/28/14 10:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Eleusi5 said:
"Ethno" is a prefix that relates something to humans. So Ethnobotany would be the study how plants relate to or affect humans.

"Entheo" translates to "god within" in Greek. So Entheobotany would translate literally to "god within plants."

Entheobotany is basically an offshoot of Ethnobotany, and even more obscure / misinterpreted.




This is spot on, I agree with the new dude.


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: 1234go]
    #20490752 - 08/28/14 10:49 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Proper necro thread revival.


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: prismism]
    #20490840 - 08/28/14 11:04 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

prismism said:
Proper necro thread revival.




HA, proper necro. Didn't even notice.


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: 1234go]
    #20490952 - 08/28/14 11:29 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

mjshroomer.


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: prismism]
    #20496255 - 08/30/14 03:59 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Am I the only one who thought one was just a misspelling for the other?


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Re: Ethno versus Entheo [Re: BlackWidow]
    #20496329 - 08/30/14 05:11 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

No you aren't the first and I doubt you'll be the last.


Wikipedia entry>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen

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The neologism entheogen was coined in 1979 by a group of ethnobotanists and scholars of mythology (Carl A. P. Ruck, Jeremy Bigwood, Danny Staples, Richard Evans Schultes, Jonathan Ott and R. Gordon Wasson). The term is derived from two words of ancient Greek, ἔνθεος (entheos) and γενέσθαι (genesthai). The adjective entheos translates to English as "full of the god, inspired, possessed", and is the root of the English word "enthusiasm." The Greeks used it as a term of praise for poets and other artists. Genesthai means "to come into being." Thus, an entheogen is a drug that causes one to become inspired or to experience feelings of inspiration, often in a religious or "spiritual" manner.[8]

Entheogen was coined as a replacement for the terms hallucinogen and psychedelic. Hallucinogen was popularized by Aldous Huxley's experiences with mescaline, which were published as The Doors of Perception in 1954. Psychedelic, in contrast, is a Greek neologism for "mind manifest", and was coined by psychiatrist Humphry Osmond; Huxley was a volunteer in experiments Osmond was conducting on mescaline.

Ruck et al. argued that the term hallucinogen was inappropriate owing to its etymological relationship to words relating to delirium and insanity. The term psychedelic was also seen as problematic, owing to the similarity in sound to words pertaining to psychosis and also due to the fact that it had become irreversibly associated with various connotations of 1960s pop culture. In modern usage entheogen may be used synonymously with these terms, or it may be chosen to contrast with recreational use of the same drugs. The meanings of the term entheogen were formally defined by Ruck et al.:








Here's a link to the article that first mentioned the term Entheogen>>http://www.entheomedia.org/entheogen.htm


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