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InvisibleTerrapinSunrise
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black-ish caps on matured fruits
    #2068319 - 11/03/03 05:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

hey fellas,

so my friend was reading the "black caps" post in the "general" section of the forum and became curious about something. he just harvested a flush of koh samui and dried them. after drying, he noticed that some of the mature fruits have incredibly dark caps - they seriously look black, while others are the usual light caramel color.

i was really high last night i was getting paranoid about these "black" caps being on mature mushrooms (they look like the color of aborts but they are NOT aborts because the veil has torn and they matured fully) because it sounds like this is rather unusual. does anyone have any thoughts on this? has anyone also experienced such phenomena? my main concern is if they are safe to eat - i'm paranoid that something like contams are responsible just because i've never seen black caps on mature fruits before (there are no signs of contams on the fruits or the cake itself - it flushed just fine too). obviously they are not rotten - they were dried quickly using dessicant. i'm hoping it is just some sort of EXTREME bluing reaction in koh samui, but then why are some of the fruits caramel and some black?? anybody have any input to ease my mind as to whether they are safe to eat? THANKS a lot. peace, everyone.


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Re: black-ish caps on matured fruits [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #2068352 - 11/03/03 06:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Its probably spores. The can be a lot of droppage in the drying box, were they stacked up or flat? Aborts themselves are not bad, but once a mushroom has aborted it is vulnerable to contams, if they are black and slimey when picked chuck em, if they look clean they are perfectly good to eat. Since you say they were dried quickly i very much doubt they went rotten, my money is on spore droppage, harmless.


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Re: black-ish caps on matured fruits [Re: psilomonkey]
    #2068570 - 11/03/03 08:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

well let's consider spore droppage. wouldn't the spores come off by blowing on the caps or rubbing them or something? it's only the caps that are black - so if it was due to spores why didn't the spores fall on the stems at all (they were stacked messily in a tiny dessicant chamber for 2 days). when they were picked, my friend noticed that they were very much like any ordinary cubensis - they were not slimy or gross in any way. some of the mature fruits' caps were light (while still on the cake) while some were a brownish/reddish/darkish color. after drying, though, the darker ones' caps turned a midnight blackish color.

i'm just ridiculously afraid of dosing shrooms and dying because of some contaminant that i couldn't notice. it is just a fear, as i have never once had any contaminated cakes or contaminated mature fruits.
but, is it possible for a cake to be "secretely" contaminated and somehow pass this contamination into the bodies of the picked fruit without showing any signs? this is my concern and it stems from not knowing much about contams. nonetheless i am baffled by these black caps - i don't see how anything is different in this grow, aside from the strain (these are koh samui).

if anyone has more thoughts, please help me figure this out.

peace.


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Re: black-ish caps on matured fruits [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #2068586 - 11/03/03 08:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think psilomonkey already hit the nail on the head with this one. Definitely sounds like spores, If they aren't rotten or otherwise contamed then they should be good. Try rubbing the spores off a fresh cap, if it does rub off then it is spores, they're a little tricky to remove completely once they have dried. Btw, if your caps are that loaded with spores, I suggest picking them earlier, this will be to your benefit.

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Re: black-ish caps on matured fruits [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #2068588 - 11/03/03 08:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

if it rubs off, it's spores. give it a try. if it was bruising, it'd be pretty wierd for the stems to be unaffected i think.

while you were high, you didn't have a black marker pen did you?

i'd probably eat em, but if you have a pic, that would be nice. spores:

look at the top of the one on the right.  :rolleyes: 


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Re: black-ish caps on matured fruits [Re: shirley knott]
    #2069263 - 11/04/03 02:21 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i was just doing searches on "black caps" and i found one post that said something about cobweb mold causing caps to turn black. is cobweb mold invisible or something, because i don't see any anywhere? and don't contams like cobweb mold smell really bad? if i don't smell anything bad or see any contam at all, then it couldnt be cobweb mold causing these black caps (?)

i'm so fucking confused. peace.


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Re: black-ish caps on matured fruits [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #2069587 - 11/04/03 08:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Dude I honestly wouldn't worry about it, especially since theres no odd smell, and it just happened to some of them, and not like an infection that would take over all ... I had some caps too that where very dark on the top and spread down the cap, slowly getting lighter..  all shrooms arent the same , im sure its just some little fluke in the genome or something... chill out and enjoy the fruits. :wink:


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Re: black-ish caps on matured fruits [Re: TerrapinSunrise]
    #2069893 - 11/04/03 11:23 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Don't worry about the black caps. I have no idea what it is but I have eaten several shrooms with black caps with no bad effects. Also if you've ever bought or know someone who has bought mushrooms off the street take a look at the bag. Normally at least half of the caps are black. I think it's just something that happens with aging and or drying.


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Re: black-ish caps on matured fruits [Re: OmegaRed]
    #2070131 - 11/04/03 05:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

hey, thanks a lot guys; the last two posts have helped ease my mind. i was just so boggled by the fact that i've never seen such a thing happen before. i've never bought them off the street so i normally only see "homegrown" ones that are fresh or recently dried.

i wonder if koh samui in particular is just weird. my friend's cake has a few more sprouting from it and one of the maturing shrooms' cap is darkening. koh samuis are so odd though - they are all twisted and fat as fuck. get this - these little funguys are pinning directly off of existing pins!! no joke - i've never ever seen pins growing off of other pins (aborting pins)- it's fucking ridiculous.

oh well. thanks again. i'm going to stop worrying and start tripping (probably gonna save them for the new years umphrey mcgee show in chicago!). peace.


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