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Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation
    #20641450 - 09/30/14 06:00 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I read in Stamets' Mycelium Running that he was successful in using cordyceps to rid his home from an ant infestation.

I was wondering if anyone has had any success in trying this themselves. I'd be particularly interested in hearing about anyone's experience using cordyceps (or any other fungi) against bees.

A friend's house has a recurring bee infestation, and she's wary of using pesticides. I mentioned Stamets, and her interest was piqued. I'd love to give her some more information.

Your help is appreciated.

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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: Kosher]
    #20641906 - 09/30/14 07:27 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

No. Read moar. It only works on a few (or maybe even one?) species of ant.


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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20642139 - 09/30/14 08:17 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)


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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: Ghatti]
    #20642548 - 09/30/14 09:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Great. Thanks for that.

So the article you posted seems to suggest that cordyceps infects wasps all over the world, from Germany to Thailand to Cuba.


"Since Torrbia fist noted the appearance of infected wasps in
Cuba in 1749 (see Samson, Evans & Latgé, 1988) there have
been many reports of Cordyceps infecting wasps around the
world."

and further:

"Mains (1958) re-described Cordyceps sphecocephala from a
substantial collection of specimens from North America and
concluded that there was much variation in the overall
morphology which manifested itself in the many different
names given to what, essentially was a single species."

Do you know of anyone using this as a form of pest control?

I suppose it would be worthwhile to confirm that my friends' infestation is indeed bees and not wasps.

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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: Kosher]
    #20642576 - 09/30/14 10:04 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: azur]
    #20642874 - 09/30/14 11:58 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

Several different cases have been documented

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-kerala/honeybees-found-infected-with-rare-fungus/article727728.ece

This isn't a paper but makes mention of hosts
https://www.anbg.gov.au/fungi/ecology-invertebrates.html

Also been known to attack spiders so I really don't see why a bee would be out of the question.

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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: Ghatti]
    #20643454 - 10/01/14 07:52 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

there are many species of cordyceps around the world.  each species may or may not have a particular target host or preference.  the particular insects composition (nutrition), habitat, and life cycle can all come into play



  we know more about their medicinal properties than we know about their relationship with insects.  have you tried contacting anyone at Aloha Medicinals?


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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20656354 - 10/04/14 07:10 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

whats wrong with having free honey?

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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: Kosher]
    #20657127 - 10/04/14 11:22 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Kosher said:
I read in Stamets' Mycelium Running that he was successful in using cordyceps to rid his home from an ant infestation.





Stamets did not use Cordyceps on the ants - he used Metarhizium anisopliae.

He formed a mycopesticides company a few years ago to commercialize it.  Unfortunately the company doesn't even have a web page and appears to be defunct. 

Like most of the stuff in Mycelium Running, it sounds great on paper or in a ted talk, but doesn't appear to work very well in the real world.


I suggest conventional pesitcides.  They work well and don't cause health problems as long as you don't lick your walls.



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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #20659316 - 10/04/14 10:29 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Kosher said:
I read in Stamets' Mycelium Running that he was successful in using cordyceps to rid his home from an ant infestation.





Stamets did not use Cordyceps on the ants - he used Metarhizium anisopliae.

He formed a mycopesticides company a few years ago to commercialize it.  Unfortunately the company doesn't even have a web page and appears to be defunct. 

Like most of the stuff in Mycelium Running, it sounds great on paper or in a ted talk, but doesn't appear to work very well in the real world.


I suggest conventional pesitcides.  They work well and don't cause health problems as long as you don't lick your walls.








hey Alan, I was thinking.. do you have any beef with paul stamets?

:getstoned:

im sorry i dont have anything to contribute in this thread, im just interested on the topic..

maybe if you want the bees to go away, maybe just smoke the hell out of them,,,


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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: pablokabute]
    #20660256 - 10/05/14 07:51 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't imagine much beef, he just sees stamets for what he is, a capitalist.

True that a lot of his "mushrooms can save the world" ideas are cool but like stated aren't practical in everyday aspects.

What is practical he is already marketing at a high mark up.

"lets save the world, but only so I can enjoy my money".    That's my take on it anyways.

I think he had a true passion at one time but in order to fund himself he has given up most of what made him a large asset.


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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: pablokabute]
    #20660275 - 10/05/14 08:04 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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hey Alan, I was thinking.. do you have any beef with paul stamets?




No, we are friends.

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I wouldn't imagine much beef, he just sees stamets for what he is, a capitalist.

True that a lot of his "mushrooms can save the world" ideas are cool but like stated aren't practical in everyday aspects.

What is practical he is already marketing at a high mark up.





I have no problem with capitalists.  I think capitalism is the best economic system - the only one that really works. 

Stamets has done great things for the mushroom world.  Half the people that are into mushrooms are into them because of him.  He is the worlds best mushroom salesman.

The only annoying thing is that he oversells impractical ideas.  I am a member of the bay area radical mycology group, and we basically implement all of the Stamets ideas.  It's a bit of an uphill battle... 

Mushrooms do save the world - every day.  But they do so whether or not you throw spawn at the problem.  If you spill oil or many other chemicals, natural mushrooms and bacteria in the soil will break it down eventually. 

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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #20670411 - 10/07/14 08:39 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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  They work well and don't cause health problems as long as you don't lick your walls.






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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: Uhurungus]
    #20674080 - 10/08/14 06:35 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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pablokabute said:
whats wrong with having free honey?




It turns out that the 'bees' are actually hornets, so no free honey :frown:


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Stamets did not use Cordyceps on the ants - he used Metarhizium anisopliae.

He formed a mycopesticides company a few years ago to commercialize it.  Unfortunately the company doesn't even have a web page and appears to be defunct. 

Like most of the stuff in Mycelium Running, it sounds great on paper or in a ted talk, but doesn't appear to work very well in the real world.


I suggest conventional pesitcides.  They work well and don't cause health problems as long as you don't lick your walls.






Thanks for the info and the suggestion. My friend said that this infestation is a recurring problem, and that they have used exterminators in the past, but that the hornets have returned year after year.

I was thinking that this might offer a more permanent solution without the use of nasty chems. From the responses, it seems that solutions like this are still a ways off, if they are ever to be practical.


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The only annoying thing is that he oversells impractical ideas.  I am a member of the bay area radical mycology group, and we basically implement all of the Stamets ideas.  It's a bit of an uphill battle... 





Cool! Do you have any links to what sort of stuff your group is implementing and the successes/failures of said projects? I'm very interested in seeing the practicality of using mushrooms to "save the world".

Thanks again for your input :grin:

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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: Kosher]
    #20674581 - 10/08/14 09:58 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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Cool! Do you have any links to what sort of stuff your group is implementing and the successes/failures of said projects? I'm very interested in seeing the practicality of using mushrooms to "save the world".






There are Radical Mycology groups in several cities, and a convergence in the midwest coming up soon.  The most active one is in the Portland area.

Our Bay Area Radical Mycology group has a mailing list you could join, that's where most of the stuff gets posted.  Also a facebook group that is less active.

We meet once a month, though the projects are sporadic.  They happen when someone takes the initiative to make something happen, which is typically on a rather random schedule. 

The last real project was 1 - 2 years ago, a biofiltration system for bacterial runoff from a farm in the Oakland hills.  They installed a bunch of bunker spawn in a stream.  Unfortunately we never did any testing upstream and downstream of the project, so I have no idea how well it worked.  Probably not very well since once you have mycelium underwater, it quickly goes anarobic and dies.  I have no idea why people think it's such a good idea to filter water with mycelium.  Sounds good in theory I guess.

Filtration could maybe be done sporadically, but I don't think it is useful in places where the water is flowing all the time. 

Ken Litchfield's idea for a mycofilter is the best I have heard - That is to take a truckload or more of wood chips and dump them in a stream that is contaminated with bacteria.  The natural mycelium in the environment would colonize the wood chips, and even without mycelium, the huge mass of wood chips would be an effective bacteria filter.  It's easy, free and takes very little energy or time.    Much better than generating a lot of mushroom spawn that would just die anyway due to being underwater.  Someone should try that.


Another thing our group is working on is to break down the wood from tree thinning with saprotrophic mushrooms.  The east bay rangers said some pine trees were a fire hazard, and chopped them down.  We convinced them to leave them there on the ground so we could break them down with mushrooms.  They are being inoculated with various species that like Monterrey Pine.

Sometimes we have spawn parties, where everyone shows up and spawns oyster bags and drills holes in logs and inoculates with saprotrophs.

One more thing that I have been doing with them is trying to teach them how to do DNA sequencing.  I've invited several of them into my lab for a day, and we go through the whole process from DNA extraction to PCR and then dropping off the PCR products for sequencing.  One goal is to discover new species that occur in our area, and another is to determine exactly what species of edibles and medicinals they are cultivating.



If anyone has any suggestions for projects we could work on, let me know!


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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #20675550 - 10/08/14 01:54 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

We know mycelium can thrive in oxygenated liquid via lc's. What would be interesting is to find the minimal point of O2 saturation required to sustain growth. Then you could see if the underwater filtration idea is even feasible with a few simple measurements.

Maybe some form of natural water turbulence maker (ie small falls say 2 in or something else to churn and aerate the water directly before it reaches your mycelial filter?)

Depending all upon the speed of the water and its characteristics this could easily be done with logs, stick, and rocks.


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Re: Using cordyceps to fight insect infestation [Re: maddchef]
    #20675563 - 10/08/14 01:57 PM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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We know mycelium can thrive in oxygenated liquid via lc's. What would be interesting is to find the minimal point of O2 saturation required to sustain growth. Then you could see if the underwater filtration idea is even feasible with a few simple measurements.

Maybe some form of natural water turbulence maker (ie small falls say 2 in or something else to churn and aerate the water directly before it reaches your mycelial filter?)

Depending all upon the speed of the water and its characteristics this could easily be done with logs, stick, and rocks.



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