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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: Citizen X] * 1
    #20676010 - 10/08/14 04:01 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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So let me get this straight, you're not a tradesmen, not licensed, have no schooling/degree in your field and you're calling working apprentices who are going to school and other licensed tradesmen unskilled?
  :shutthefuckup:




He's got so much money, and so many friends on the internet, he can say whatever he wants


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: Citizen X]
    #20676038 - 10/08/14 04:10 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

If one has really solid skills and work ethic, one doesn't need union protection.  I remember when I was in a union.  I did the bare minimum to get by and got a decent paycheck for it.

Now I get paid based on what I have to offer...and that pay comes out to many times what I used to get paid when I was in a union.  Also, I know there is a direct correlation between how hard I work and how much I make.

Sure, not everyone can be exceptional...but why reward mediocrity?


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: Citizen X]
    #20676233 - 10/08/14 04:48 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Citizen X said:
So let me get this straight, you're not a tradesmen, not licensed, have no schooling/degree in your field and you're calling working apprentices who are going to school and other licensed tradesmen unskilled?
  :shutthefuckup:



I am a master carpenter the likes of which you cannot even understand.  I have been doing this job for decades. Construction management does not require classrooms and they in fact teach bullshit.  You are a credentialist


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20684220 - 10/10/14 02:11 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Zappa don't need no fancy book learning, he can measure 2x4s with the best of the high school dropouts.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20684354 - 10/10/14 02:37 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Zappa don't need no fancy book learning, he can measure 2x4s with the best of the high school dropouts.




I'm also a carpenter and I find that insulting. ..

you obviously know nothing about carpentry, a good carpenter needs intelligence and ingenuity,  freeform problem solving.  Its not just about stacking boards.  Everyone thinks its so easy until they try it themselves. .. then hire me to fix it realizing how arrogant and full of shit they were

I agree with zappa, hands on experience is superior to formal training.  I have seen it - guys who know things in theory but have trouble actually applying that knowledge in reality,  and still, I see guys being lazy and using their certification as a backstop for shitty real world performance.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20684362 - 10/10/14 02:38 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Zappa don't need no fancy book learning, he can measure 2x4s with the best of the high school dropouts.



yes because running a construction/carpentry operation is just the same as measuring a 2x4 :rolleyes: maybe if you ever did something with your hands you'd realize this.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20684388 - 10/10/14 02:42 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Zappa don't need no fancy book learning, he can measure 2x4s with the best of the high school dropouts.




Funny thing, many can't read a tape measure.

Your desire to score points really does you no favors.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #20684400 - 10/10/14 02:44 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

What points?

Zappa rails on unskilled and uneducated laborers when it seems he's just that.

If I get points for pointing out hypocrisy then ok.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: psyconaught]
    #20684412 - 10/10/14 02:46 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Zappa don't need no fancy book learning, he can measure 2x4s with the best of the high school dropouts.



yes because running a construction/carpentry operation is just the same as measuring a 2x4 :rolleyes: maybe if you ever did something with your hands you'd realize this.




I work with my hands 50 hours a week.

Do you think you gain anything by responding to assummptions with another assumption? lol


The way most of you toss around wanton hyperbole you think you'd actually recognize it sometimes.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20684418 - 10/10/14 02:47 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Zappa don't need no fancy book learning, he can measure 2x4s with the best of the high school dropouts.



You've been called out enough on this quote, so what's one more?

I invite you to perhaps look into your own need to resort to this kind of attack.  If Zappa is as dumb as you're implying, why not just dominate him with your intellect?  Why resort to this kind of thing? 





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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20684439 - 10/10/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Carpentry takes a lot of skill, to survive 35 years in the business is not easy.

again you have no idea what it takes to do Carpentry,  calling it unskilled labpur is super arrogant,  patronizing,  and ignorant.  I'd like to see you run a crew and build an 80 unit apartment complex in 6 months LOL you would crash and burn,  you have no idea.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: Shins]
    #20684463 - 10/10/14 02:55 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Zappa rails on unskilled and uneducated laborers when it seems he's just that.



you do not need formal credentials to be skilled or educated.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: Shins]
    #20684464 - 10/10/14 02:55 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Carpentry takes a lot of skill, to survive 35 years in the business is not easy.

again you have no idea what it takes to do Carpentry,  calling it unskilled labpur is super arrogant,  patronizing,  and ignorant.  I'd like to see you run a crew and build an 80 unit apartment complex in 6 months LOL you would crash and burn,  you have no idea.




:rolleyes:


I don't think you know what patronizing means.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20684475 - 10/10/14 02:56 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

I know what it means and you just patronized me again.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: Shins] * 2
    #20684482 - 10/10/14 02:59 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

What exactly do you spend 50 hours a week doing with your hands?  Wanking off?


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: psyconaught]
    #20684484 - 10/10/14 02:59 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Zappa rails on unskilled and uneducated laborers when it seems he's just that.



you do not need formal credentials to be skilled or educated.




Nope, but you do if you want to prove it over the internet.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20684491 - 10/10/14 03:01 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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psyconaught said:
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Zappa rails on unskilled and uneducated laborers when it seems he's just that.



you do not need formal credentials to be skilled or educated.




Nope, but you do if you want to prove it over the internet.



i'd say your knowledge and ability are more important than a credential.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: Shins]
    #20684501 - 10/10/14 03:03 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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I know what it means and you just patronized me again.




I never patronized you the first time lol

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What exactly do you spend 50 hours a week doing with your hands?  Wanking off?




I run a car detailing business. I also do a considerable amount of equities trading, but tapping in a keyboard doesn't really count as hands on.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: psyconaught]
    #20684506 - 10/10/14 03:04 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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psyconaught said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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psyconaught said:
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Zappa rails on unskilled and uneducated laborers when it seems he's just that.



you do not need formal credentials to be skilled or educated.




Nope, but you do if you want to prove it over the internet.



i'd say your knowledge and ability are more important than a credential.




No shit.

My point is if you're an employer and you have to hire someone, you're gonna hire the guy with a Bachelor's degree instead of the guy who might be smart without it.


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Re: employment truthers see new conspiracy [Re: Enlil]
    #20684517 - 10/10/14 03:06 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Enlil said:
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The Ecstatic said:
Zappa don't need no fancy book learning, he can measure 2x4s with the best of the high school dropouts.



You've been called out enough on this quote, so what's one more?

I invite you to perhaps look into your own need to resort to this kind of attack.  If Zappa is as dumb as you're implying, why not just dominate him with your intellect?  Why resort to this kind of thing? 








I don't think zappa is dumb, just arrogant.


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