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Love that Zell!
    #2065718 - 11/02/03 07:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

One Democratic vote for Bush


By Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



Sen. Zell Miller doesn't have many bridges to today's Democratic Party left to burn.
Whatever bridges remain are crumbling as the party's national leaders ? specifically, its nine candidates for president ? read the Georgia Democrat's blunt and often-scathing new book, "A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat."
"They have managed to take the main plank of the McGovern race, antiwar, and the main plank in the Mondale race, raising taxes, and put them together," Mr. Miller said in an exclusive interview with The Washington Times to mark the book's release tomorrow. "How dumb can you get?"
Mr. Miller revealed in the interview that he will buck his party and its leftward lurch next year by casting his ballot for President Bush, which would be the first time a Republican ever won his vote for president.
None of the Democrats in the running appeals to Mr. Miller, governor of Georgia for eight years and lieutenant governor for 16. And he doesn't think they can win the trust of the kind of Southern Democratic voters he grew up with in and around the Depression-era mountain town of Young Harris, Ga., where he was "born a Democrat" and reared by his mother, a penniless artist and future mayor, after his father died when he was 17 days old.
In the interview, as in his book, the senator reserved particularly harsh words for apparent front-runner Howard Dean.
"Howard Dean needs to take a little anger-management course," Mr. Miller said of the former Vermont governor. "But he also needs to take a crash course on the history of freedom. I don't think he has a clue where it came from.
"If he had been living that night in April of 1775, when Paul Revere came riding by shouting 'The British are coming, the British are coming,' Howard Dean would have yelled out his window, 'Shut up, I'm trying to get some sleep.' "
Mr. Miller was appointed to the Senate seat left open when Republican Paul Coverdell died in July 2000. He won an election that November to serve out the rest of Mr. Coverdell's term, which ends next year.
A 71-year-old former Marine, Mr. Miller is the sort who keeps his powder dry until he's ready to shoot. One reporter recalls watching as another reporter asked Mr. Miller a question during his first days in the Senate. He politely declined: He didn't want to talk to the press until he had been around for a while and understood the place.
Mr. Miller's book is not the typical Washington tell-all. It doesn't recount many closed-door conversations or detail Republicans' overtures to him to switch parties. It is part autobiography, part lecture and part guide to how his beloved party can regain its national footing, peppered throughout with homespun witticisms. ("At my age, I don't even buy green bananas," he said in the interview.)
The 2002 elections persuaded him to write the book, Mr. Miller said, after voters judged "this dumb choice by the Democratic leadership of putting collective bargaining ahead of homeland security" and Democrats lost control of the Senate.
"I came up here expecting to be pretty much a traditional Democrat," he said. "But the traditional roots of the Democratic Party are not raising taxes, class warfare, extreme partisanship."
Mr. Miller sat for the interview in his office last Tuesday, when almost every other Senate Democrat was in the Lyndon Baines Johnson Room, just off the Senate floor, for the weekly lunch at which they hash out caucus positions.
But Mr. Miller, who grew increasingly disgusted by colleagues' willingness to be led by liberal special-interest groups, hasn't been to one of the lunches in a year.
He recalls how Sen. Charles S. Robb, Virginia Democrat, was cheered at a caucus lunch in the summer of 2000 for sticking by a party position, despite being in "the race of his life" against Republican challenger George Allen.
"They were giving him this big round of applause for being so brave," Mr. Miller said of Mr. Robb. "And it crossed my mind, 'Don't you know that you're going to beat this man?' Right then and there, I began to question what kind of reasoning is going on here.
"I can't tell somebody from Massachusetts or California or Minnesota how to run a race, but I do know something about Southern politics."
Mr. Allen defeated Mr. Robb in a contest that was critical to Republicans, allowing them to keep 50 seats in the Senate and preserve a majority with Vice President Dick Cheney's tie-breaking vote.
Months later, Sen. James M. Jeffords of Vermont left the Republican Party to become an independent, giving Democrats the majority by one seat. Republican leaders quickly tried to entice Mr. Miller to switch parties or go independent, he writes, by offering a "historic" opportunity for a freshman senator.
But he refused. Unlike many Democrats-turned-Republicans who say the Democratic Party left them, Mr. Miller said in the interview that he sees it as his party having been invaded by squatters.
"I compare it to living in this old house, where I have lived all of my life," he said, "where it's drafty and hard to heat, the plumbing won't work, the commodes won't flush, and some strangers have moved in down there in my basement and I don't know who they are and I don't know how to get them out.
"But I haven't got long to live here, and it's home, it's always been home and I have a lot of bittersweet memories of it.
"I know that's hard to understand ... but it makes sense to me, and it makes sense to my family, and it makes sense to my neighbors, and that's all that really matters."
So why vote for Mr. Bush next year?
"I've thought about this a lot. I think the next five years are going to be crucial in deciding what kind of world my grandchildren and great-grandchildren live in," Mr. Miller said. "I can't leave that crucial decision to any of these Democrats who are running.
"That does not mean I'm going to become a Republican. It just means in 2004, this Democrat's going to vote for George Bush."
That'll be a big enough change, Mr. Miller said.
"I've held elected office now in six different decades. I first voted for a president in 1952, Adlai Stevenson over Dwight Eisenhower, and I've voted for a Democrat every four years since then," he said.
Mr. Miller does see national Democrats who he thinks could reclaim both the South and the White House, among them Sen. Evan Bayh of Indiana; former Sen. Sam Nunn of Georgia; and former North Carolina Gov. Jim Hunt.
Mr. Miller, who announced early this year that he will not seek re-election in 2004, says he will return home to Young Harris, Ga., and resume teaching.
"It'll be pretty hard for me to stay out of politics, but I certainly don't have any intention of being in politics," Mr. Miller said.
He pointed to a copy of his new book on his desk.
"This was sort of my last whack upside the head on how I thought this party had gotten into the shape it's gotten in, and what it ought to do. I don't know that I can add much more to this. I don't know that Democrats will even listen to this, much less anything else I have to say."


Go Zell!


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2065723 - 11/02/03 07:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Zell=DINO(Democrat in Name Only), just like Joe Lieberman.


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2065732 - 11/02/03 07:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
Zell=DINO(Democrat in Name Only), just like Joe Lieberman.



Perhaps that's why they are among the few good democrats.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2065741 - 11/02/03 07:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2066381 - 11/02/03 11:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

ZZZZZIIIIIIINNNNNGGGG!!!!!


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: monoamine]
    #2066421 - 11/02/03 11:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

THose moderate extremists will be the doom of us all.


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    #2066427 - 11/02/03 11:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

They're not even moderate, tho. They're conservative.


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: monoamine]
    #2067187 - 11/03/03 05:04 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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monoamine said:
ZZZZZIIIIIIINNNNNGGGG!!!!!



Had a slow night?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2067197 - 11/03/03 05:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

As a matter of fact...I did.

Anyway,your joke was so bad I'm not even sure it was a joke or not.


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: monoamine]
    #2067222 - 11/03/03 05:34 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It wasn't a joke.

Most democrat politicians are assholes.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2067229 - 11/03/03 05:41 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Most politicians in general are assholes.


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: monoamine]
    #2067232 - 11/03/03 05:43 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

True enough.

Democrats are just bigger ones.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2067971 - 11/03/03 02:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Haha Zell miller. Hes just a republican in a Democrat party.


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2070277 - 11/04/03 06:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

'Able Democrats, but left-wing all the way'



This is the second of three exclusive excerpts from Sen. Zell Miller's new book, "A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat" (Stroud & Hall, Atlanta).The Georgia Democrat, governor from 1991 to 1999, won a special election after the death of Sen. Paul Coverdell, a Republican, in 2000.

Lord, those current presidential candidates in my party.
They are good, smart and able folks, but if I decided to follow any one of them down their road, I'd have to keep my left-turn signal blinking and burning brightly all the way.
All left turns may work on the racetrack, but it is pulling our Democratic Party in a dangerous direction.
Whenever the Democratic candidates encounter a political action committee, they preen and flex their six-pack abs for these special-interest groups, which I call "the Groups," like bodybuilders in a Mr. Universe contest.
Or perhaps more appropriately I should compare them to streetwalkers in skimpy halters and hot pants, plying their age-old trade for the fat wallets on K Street.
Just look at them. They are convinced most Americans will like what they see:
John Edwards, shooting brightly through the skies like Halley's Comet.
Joe Lieberman, steadily and surely plodding along, one labored step at a time, like Aesop's tortoise.
John Kerry, the new century's Abraham Lincoln, posing for Vogue in an electric-blue wet suit with a surfboard tucked up under his arm like a rail just split. It made me wonder, are there more surfboards or shotguns in America?
There's also Howard Dean, former governor of Vermont. Clever and glib, but deep this Vermont pond is not. ... He likes to say he belongs to the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party, but I say he belongs to the whining wing of the Democratic Party.
My fellow Senate Democrats are decent, hardworking and smart. They have been friendly and more than fair to me since I arrived in July 2000, even with my rough edges and strong opinions. Let that be underlined: They have been much nicer to me than I have either deserved or expected.
But let this also be clear: I will not be bland in what I write, for I am not blind to what I see. What I saw gradually drew back the curtain on Washington's political stage, and over time my awe turned to shock.
A partisan prism
I began to refer to the Tuesday luncheon meetings of the Senate's Democratic caucus as the "Tums-days" lunches, because the ideology moved further and further to the left and the oratory was turned up to a decibel level that got so shrill for my old ears that I needed Tylenol to go along with my antacid.
"The Groups" and money. Money and "the Groups." It was like a bad song you can't get out of your mind. Once we were urged over and over to attend a fund-raising breakfast because a big labor union was going to give the party $20,000 for every senator in attendance. All 50 of us answering "present" could mean a million dollars. Of course, I attended.
But I began to think that the Democratic caucus sees the entire nation through the partisan prism of liberal states like California, New York, Maryland and Massachusetts, and believes that what is good Democratic politics there just has to be good Democratic politics from sea to shining sea.
I naturally see the nation through the conservative prism of Georgia and the South, but I would never suggest that what was good Democratic politics in my neck of the woods would play well in Malibu and Manhattan.
When "the Groups" say "frog," each party jumps. It really doesn't seem to matter how it affects the people or the nation as a whole. My yardstick says the Democrats clearly win the vertical leap when "frog" is yelled by NARAL Pro-Choice America or by AFSCME (the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees) with their 7.4 million members.
If you are organized and have an acronym, an address inside the Beltway and a PAC, you are in like Flynn. Just name your wish, and one of the caucuses will bust a gut to romance you.
If you are only an individual with some rural route address, then forget it, Bubba. The politicians won't even blow you a kiss, much less romance you.
I was sitting at my beautiful old mahogany desk in the Senate chamber not long after I arrived ? a desk that has the names Russell, Talmadge and Nunn carved in it ? when Joe Biden of Delaware, a senator for 30 years, came over and sat down.
"I've watched a lot of you former governors come up here and invariably you go through three phases," Biden said. "The first phase is disbelief. You just can't believe how legislation and decisions are made."
He was right. I arrived in the middle of the appropriations process, and I could not believe the feeding frenzy.
"The next phase," he said, "is anger. You stay mad most of the time, and you want to change the system and make it more orderly."
The third phase, he said, is "acceptance."
I have not reached that third phase yet. Not even close. I'm still angry because of the petty partisanship on both sides of the aisle. Angry that one single senator representing less than one-fifth of 1 percent of the American people can stop any president ? even during wartime ? from making a crucial appointment to his own team.
Angry because of the thoughtless, needless waste of taxpayers' hard-earned money. Angry because soft money ? big money ? from special interests to both parties controls things in a way that is nothing short of bribery. Angry that this money pays for cynical consultants who sneeringly brag, "We do campaigns; we don't do government."
I'm angry at a process in which 59 votes out of 100 cannot pass a bill because 41 votes out of 100 can defeat it. Explain that to Joe Six Pack at the Kmart.
Supporting the president
The process has become so politicized and so polarized and so ingrained that we cannot even put it aside in time of war. It is a system that "Cuisinarts" individual thought into a mushy party pudding, that expects one to go along with the team even if the quarterback is calling the wrong signals.
On the day in July 2000 when Gov. Roy Barnes appointed me to try to fill the big shoes left behind by our friend, Sen. Paul Coverdell, a Republican, I pledged to serve all Georgians and no single party. I took the first step in December, after being elected to the seat.
President-elect George W. Bush invited me and 15 others, including about five other Democrats, to Austin to talk about his education-reform bill. I had already studied the Bush proposal and decided I was for it. I had watched what Bush had done for Texas schools when he and I were both governors. So I stood up at that small luncheon and told him that I would support his bill enthusiastically.
As I was leaving and he was thanking me, I told him: "Mr. President, I'm with you on a lot of things. I'm with you on your tax-cut proposal." I saw in his eyes that my comment had registered.
A couple of weeks later, Sen. Phil Gramm, Texas Republican, mentioned that the president had told him of my comments about the tax cut and asked would I like to join him in co-sponsoring it. I told Gramm I would be honored.
President Bush called me that night in my apartment and thanked me. That was in January 2001. In May, Congress passed a $1.35 trillion tax cut, the largest since the one Ronald Reagan pushed through in 1981. Although I was the only Democrat supporting it for a long time, in the end 12 Democrats voted for it.
Unfortunately, the tax cut was compromised on its way to final passage. What started out as a broad, immediate and permanent cut became one where some relief is delayed by several years. To add insult to injury, the whole thing is set to be repealed in 2010. How can anyone make long-range plans for a business or a family with a tax policy that has a perishable date on it like a quart of milk?
Perhaps because of my experience as a chief executive, I went to Washington believing that a president should be able to select his own team and make out his own batting order. He is the leader and the one who ultimately should and will be held accountable.
My first test came with John Ashcroft, a man I know well. I was the first, and, for a while, the only Democrat publicly supporting his confirmation as attorney general.
A short time later, I was the only Democrat to vote to confirm Ted Olsen as solicitor general. My vote made the difference, 51-49, and the president finally got his own man representing the government before the Supreme Court.
I took that opportunity to tell my colleagues that "this never-ending, back-and-forth, partisan ping-pong game of revenge needs to end ? for the good of the country."
The last straw
With all the support I was giving President Bush, it was only natural that the Senate Republican leadership would make an overture to me to switch parties or become an independent.
As politely as I could, I expressed my long and active history as a Democratic officeholder and how, with me, it didn't have anything to do with ideology; I was "born a Democrat." This caused them to take a step back with a strange and puzzled look. No one can understand it except those older folks who live in Appalachia.
When Jim Jeffords of Vermont left the Republican Party in May 2001 and became an independent, it turned the Senate upside down and gave the Democrats a one-vote majority. Again the Republicans came, and the ante had gone up.
I have no intention now or ever to disclose any details. Suffice it to say that, for a freshman senator, it would have been historic. Again, I politely declined, Tom Daschle became majority leader, and the rest is history.
In fall 2002, in the heat of a campaign season, the Democratic leadership laid on the straw that broke this old camel's back: the caucus position on homeland security.
The main point of contention was whether any of the 170,000 employees of the new Department of Homeland Security could be moved around by the president in time of national emergency without all the hidebound restrictions of the civil-service system.
Every president before Bush had that kind of authority, but because this was an election year, the labor union wanted to flex its muscle. They found a willing chairman in presidential candidate Joe Lieberman, whose Government Operations Committee had written the homeland-security bill.
The bill was driven by the American Federation of Government Employees and the union's cock-of-the-walk president, Bobby Harnage, who is always spoiling for a fight. Whether he wins the fight or not, it helps to increase the 37.5 percent of government workers who are unionized.
"We must give the president the flexibility to respond to terrorism on a moment's notice," I said in a floor speech Sept. 18, seven weeks before the general election. "He's got to be able to shift resources, including personnel, at the blink of an eye. So why do we hold so dear a personnel system that was created in 1883 and is as outdated as an ox-cart on an expressway?
"I'll tell you why: Because by keeping the status quo, there's votes to be had and soft money to be pocketed. That's the dirty little secret. ...
"Hiring a new federal employee can take five months. Firing a bad worker takes more than a year ? if it's even allowable at all ? because of the mountains of paperwork, hearings and appeals. ...
"Productivity should be the name of the game. And we lose productivity when bad folks hold on to jobs forever or when jobs go unfilled for months.
"I've tried to imagine myself in these workers' places at this particular time in history," I concluded. "I'm an old believer in that line by that wonderful Georgia songwriter, Joe South: 'Before you abuse, criticize or accuse, walk a mile in my shoes.'
"But perhaps it's because I've worked for three dollars a day and was glad to have a job that I find their union bosses' refusal to budge for the greater good of this country so surprising. Union politics may be important, but it should never come before national security."
Too far left
A week later I tried again.
"Have we lost our minds?" I asked fellow Democratic senators. "Do you really want to face the voters with this position, this vote writ large on your forehead, like a scarlet letter? ... It will be one of our sorriest chapters ... where special interests so brazenly trumped national interests."
On Nov. 5, Sen. Max Cleland, a triple amputee and decorated Vietnam hero, was defeated in Georgia after dropping eight points in a few weeks. Weeks during which, time and time again ? 11 to be exact ? the Democratic leadership urged him to vote with those special interests.
In Missouri, Jean Carnahan, a fine senator and widow of my friend, Sen. Mel Carnahan, met the same fate.
Immediately after the election, the homeland-security bill passed with the Democrats not saying the first word about protectionism for employees. It had all been just politics by and for "the Groups."
Then and there, I decided I would never attend another Democratic caucus lunch on Tums-days. I had seen and heard enough. With the exception of a handful, these Democrats went too far to the left for me.
I could not help remembering John F. Kennedy's prophetic words about party unity and "what sins have been committed in its name."
Kennedy warned: "The party which, in its drive for unity, discipline and success, ever decides to exclude new ideas, independent conduct or insurgent members, is in danger."






Part 2


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2070292 - 11/04/03 06:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Why the fuck is this guy a Democrat? Is there even one party stance that he agrees on?


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2070313 - 11/04/03 06:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You'd have to ask him but if I had to guess I'd say he probably believes in what the Democrats were before they became the party of panderers and obstructionists.


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2070346 - 11/04/03 06:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

ah...I see...so the rest of the party is wrong except for him... :rolleyes:


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: Rono]
    #2070347 - 11/04/03 06:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

No, I'd imagine there are one or two others who still believe in doing what's right.


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2070368 - 11/04/03 07:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

panderers and obstructionists?

what a joke.

bush and cheney are pandering to their
campaign contributers to the tune of
8billion dollars, nevermind the obscene
amount of industry lobbyists that have
been given cabinet level positions over-
seeing the industries that they once
worked for.

that's pandering, and at the expense of
the rest of us, for that matter

obstructionists?

for crying out loud, cheney still hasn't turned
over the minutes of his Energy Task Force
meetings with his buddies at Enron, nor will
they turn over critical documents sought by
the commission responsible for the 9/11
inquiry.

then there's that whole obstruction, or should
I say, destruction of the constitution...

in short, your right wing good, left wing bad
shit is a joke.

all these fookers are pandering shitbags.


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Re: Love that Zell! [Re: afoaf]
    #2070411 - 11/04/03 07:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

What an angry lil' fella you become since your transformation.

My idea of pandering and obstruction is giving drivers licenses to illegals. Allowing them to have the same benefits as citizens. Not requiring ID to vote. Welfare benefits. Not allowing votes on judicial nominees. Affirmative action. Driving out republicans who make supposedly racist comments while allowing a admitted KKK member to stay and do as he pleases. And more.

If you can't see a difference it's because you don't wish to.


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