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Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it * 5
    #20643485 - 10/01/14 08:05 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hello everyone!

I want to share some information about Amanita Muscaria and my experiences with this "not_so_well_known" -mushroom, especially with dosage and preperation.


I live in the middle of Germany (srry for any misspelling!), lots of woods and forests over here. In fall mushrooms spawn everywhere so I've collected all my amanitas by myself.
Last year I've collected nearly 40 mushrooms of different sizes, beeing about one ounce dried (31g!). Amanita Muscaria var. Muscaria only (the red ones).

When chewed and swallowed, or eaten in any other way, most people tend to use up to half an ounce (10g< >15g, dried) of this mushroom to trip hard. I found out I need at least 4g (dried) to feel minor effects.
So all my collected mushrooms of one season would lead to 3-5 trips only? - Disappointment!

Having consumed half of my material within two months (eaten and brewed tea), I decided to make a tincture out of what was left, just to try out another way of consumption. Here's what I did:



1) Proper drying:

- collect your mushrooms and clean them with a towel or backside of a knife, also get rid of the stems
- use a sharp knife to cut the hats into smaller pieces (the same way you cut a pizza)
- Let them lay down in sunlight for a day or two, to see if any worms appear. The ones with too many should be thrown away, although these're harmless
- then put them in the oven and let them dry at 70°C (~160°F) for some hours. Do not fully close the oven, instead, leave it open a few inches
- after about 6 hours the mushrooms will become crispy and super-dry. Now all the ibotenic-acid is converted to muscimol and drying is completed
- if you still have any doubts, bake them again for half an hour the next day




2) The tincture:

- grind the dried mushrooms into a fine brown powder (coffe-grinder or mortar and pestle) and then put it into a mason jar
- the powder must not fill more than half of the jar
- fill the jar with VODKA, white RUM, or any other white liquor (with at least 40% alcohol)
- close the jar and leave it standing for a week, shake it a minute every two days
- now beeing dark red and cloudy, screen it with wet coffee filters, twice
- get rid of the powder and allow the liquid to sit another three days, because..
- .. "something" will connect to some kind of ghost/cloud in the middle. I call this the "amanita brain" :smile:, I don't know what it is, it happens everytime although the jars have been propperly sterilised. So I think it's the spores that haven't been filtert out, thery're just too small for coffee filters
- to get it clear, just scoop, skim or spoon the good stuff from the side into another (airtight) jar and you'll be left with an awesome-looking amber muscaria-tincture




The tincture shown in the image above was made of half an ounce of powdered amanita muscaria (14g) and about seven fluid-ounces (??) of VODKA (250ml, a quater of 1 liter).



Experiences:
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Due to the fact that I only used 14g of amanita powder to make this tincture, I thought a small shotglas (2cl, about 1/10th of the tincture) would be a nice dose to start with.
"If I feel anything, it would be threshhold-effects only." I was VERY wrong.
Half an hour after ingestion something told me to take a nap. I wasn't tired at all, but my body AND my thoughts forced me to lay down. I fell asleep quickly and had the wildest, most bizzar and lucid dream ever.
I cant'n remember that much, but then something (some kind of black silouette turning to me?) inside my dream scared the shit out of me, so I instantly woke up covered in sweat, getting the urge to vomit and shit at the same time.
Went to the toilet, didn't vomit. Taking a shit I found the entire bathroom spinning and rotating in some kind of way I have never seen before.

Although my vision was very blurry, the edges of every object seemd to be self-luminous and rotating clockwise, full of energy, while every surface was sprinkling small spots of light into the room.
Hard to describe, but definitly the kind of visuals that I have read about you get from a high dose amanita-trip! .. Relax! Thoughts keep running.. rollercoaster.. loopings.. again and again!
Beeing very confused I somehow stumbled my way back to my room and passed out again and again, just to be pushed to wake up again by some kind of invisible force/present entities? .. More and more scary dreams and unbearable sweating!

I don't remember anything else of that night and the next day I woke up still beeing very confused about what just had happened, but I had no negative side-effects I can remember.
I have not expected this kind of intensity, so I would call this overdosed. :smile:


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The next time I only used one tablespoon of the tincture, poured into a warm red fruit-tea with lots of sugar. The taste was great and I could feel threshhold-effects!

Quickly I found out that 2-3 tablespoons in a tea is the right dosage for me.
This will give me mild body sensations, feeling some kind of energy floating though my body combined with feelings of happyness and joy. Much like a very small dose of MDMA.
No open-eye visuals, but the body feels light and fluffy and one gets the urge to do something. In my head clear and ultra-sharp visions pop up in front of my inner eye,
every single thought is beeing translated or transformed into what looks like alive FullHD-images. CEVs may become cinematic thought-warps. I'm an artist and I found this drug to be very helpfull in a creative-way:

Looking at some of my paintings/pictures while tripping on amanita-tincture, I instantly "feel and see" how I could improve, enhance, or just correct my work. This is just AMAZING.

I've never experienced this state of minde before, it seems to be triggered by amanita muscaria only (although I never tried ketamine, but psilocybin and lsd a lot!).
The mild trip lasts about 2-3hours. When I keep the liquid in my mouth for a minute before swallowing, I swear I can feel the effects immediately.

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I'm still wondering why my tincture is so potent. I got up to 20 doses out of 14g. And what the heck is this amanita-brain? It looks so creepy, but it cannot be due to contermination (everything has been sterilsed and there's about 40% alcohol inside the tincture).

These are my experiences with amanita muscaria so far. This year's tincture is not finished yet, but some mushrooms have been collected and dried..


Greetz, Pandemoon
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #20647637 - 10/02/14 06:54 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Great write up. I found my first A. Muscarias a couple of days ago, 3 large caps. Ive dried them in the food dehydrator over night(~165F) now they are sitting in a jar.

Not sure if I will ever try them, but if I do I might try your tincture!


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: falox]
    #20692014 - 10/12/14 09:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like a great preparation. Gotta try this but mixing A.M
with too much alcohol is risky and I've read that siberians
do not recommend it. Better make it potent.

I'm curious of how long the muscimol lasts in this solution.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Beel-Zebub]
    #20695688 - 10/13/14 03:28 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the great info! Based on the method of extraction what do you think about using 99% iso, then evaporating after it as been thoroughly soaked? If head converts the actives seems like they could handle it and you could make an ultra potent resin. I could see the alcohol speeding up the absorption though or something which may have attributed to it. Did you hold the first tincture dose inside your mouth for awhile? I have been interested in muscaria for awhile but the things I have read about brain damage being caused by them have kept me away. I guess that is the point of heating them up though.

One last thing, I read an some things about muscaria on erowid, and basically I was reading about how different scientists from different parts of the world were finding different actives in muscaria, leading me to believe different parts of the world could have varying qualities. Which may explain why some people get nothing out of it, where as others have intense experiences like yours.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: musiclover420]
    #20695879 - 10/13/14 07:25 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hello everyone!

The alcohol is beeing used for preservation only. So you won't get drunk from half a shotglas of this liqueur, a glas of beer has about 4 times more alcohol.
I don't want to create any potent resins, the goal for me was to have a psychoactive liquid that one can add to any drink.


Just made my new one, here are some pics:

This time only 3g of crushed amanita muscaria was used. I've got a few of these zipper-bags full of mushrooms left, to make another tincture whenever I want to during the seasons..




3g amanita muscaria in a 80ml jar:




Filled with 60ml white RUM (40% alcohol):




After two days:




Pour / tip the clear liquid carefully into another jar through a wet coffeefilter, while leaving the slimy stuff inside
Then fill it up again with white RUM, this time 40ml:




Two more days and the second wash will be clear:




Pour the clear liquid only into another jar, again through a wet coffeefilter. Ret rid of the remainig slimy mushroom-slick:




I mixed them together to get the final result:




I have not tried it out yet, but when I do I will use a few tablespoons only, poured into a warm fruit-tea.. :smile:

Greetz, Pandemoon


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #20696533 - 10/13/14 11:14 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It looks so beautiful. I'm excited to try this. A spoon of this 'Ol' artist spirit' and some puffs of herb for a merry evening :-)

But I have one complaint regarding your prep. You say "throw away stems". They are less potent yes. But still potent. And something that will suprise you is that the bulb is more than half as potent as the caps! If one picks larvae-free A.M, the bulb is just as excellent. Missing out on 1/3 (probably) of the psychoactive wonders is a mistake.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Beel-Zebub]
    #20700287 - 10/14/14 04:32 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Did you hold the first tincture dose inside your mouth for awhile?




No. One shotglas straight down.

Quote:

A spoon of this 'Ol' artist spirit' and some puffs of herb for a merry evening :-)




That's it!

Quote:

[...] the bulb is just as excellent.




Hm, nice to know. Next year I'll keep them and make a stem-only tinctue and see how this works out.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Beel-Zebub]
    #20927710 - 12/04/14 11:12 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Tried out my tincture today. Felt the usual sweet and calming low-dose feeling from 4 teaspoons. But, I got the runs bad. Like liquid squirting outta my ass.. I can't seem to pinpoint anything other than the tincture as the culprit. I sure hope not.

Only another trial will tell. Really nice tek otherwise. Easy dosing.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Beel-Zebub]
    #21002241 - 12/20/14 08:23 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I'm joining the club.
Just started doing the tincture suggested by Pandemoon. 

I decided to use Amanita Pantherina instead.
So my jar has:

- 3g Amanita Pantherina manually cut in little pieces
(picked up early September this year - dried with dehydrator)
- 80ml of pure Vodka (60ml seemed not enough to we'll cover the AP)

I'll let you know.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
    #21002280 - 12/20/14 08:47 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

quite fascinating, I am curious on both of the OPs and poster above me results again

" In remote areas of Lithuania Amanita muscaria has been consumed at wedding feasts, in which mushrooms were mixed with vodka."

Believable? perhaps

Far away neighbors drank urine from shamans

just disgusting


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Beel-Zebub]
    #21006279 - 12/21/14 04:24 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Nice to see you all trying out this tek. :smile:

Beel-Zebub, maybe you have waited too long. Some of the alcohol inside the jar may evaporate within a few days, leaving room for any kind of contamination. All my tinctures so far have lowered their volume and changed there color a bit within two weeks when stored at room-temperature, so be sure to keep it out of light / in the fridge and consume it quickly after preparation.

oneofus: Great news, haven't tried it with pantherias yet. Let us know how it worked out.

Nazyshroomer: Sure the "Fill-Vodkabottle-With-Shrooms"-tek is well known in russia for decades.. and drinking the shaman's urine is good because the urine contains only the good stuff of the amanitas, the shaman's body filters out the bad stuff that makes you nauseous..

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21006456 - 12/21/14 06:45 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

yeah but who wants to drink urine is it really worth it.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern] * 1
    #21006473 - 12/21/14 06:52 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Some places I'd draw the line this tincture no

Cheesing shamans lol
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: natzyshroomer]
    #21006525 - 12/21/14 07:30 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

natzyshroomer said:
Some places I'd draw the line this tincture no

Cheesing shamans lol
Yes



Cheesing?? is that a street slang for shaman piss????


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21006539 - 12/21/14 07:38 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Amorphouspattern said:
yeah but who wants to drink urine is it really worth it.




If you have only a few mushrooms for a whole group of people, then it is.
Even if there's only one single dose of shrooms, most of the group gets high by drinking each others urine..  what's the problem? Urine is healthwise pretty safe to drink, think about that. :wink:

But drinking urine has nothing to do with this thread / tek, so pls.

Maybe some admin/MOD can move this thread to "The Psychedelic Experience"-Forum, because it's no longer a single trip-report..?

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21006542 - 12/21/14 07:41 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

There must be another way of removing the nauseating chemicals.
We no longer need to feed cats coffe beans and brew there poo beans so maybe.

I think I would just pass but if it was societal norm to do this then I see no problem...


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21006570 - 12/21/14 07:56 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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There must be another way of removing the nauseating chemicals.




Sure there is another way to get rid of the ibotenic-acid, it is explained above in the first post. So drinking urine is not necessary.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21006580 - 12/21/14 08:00 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

is there much mind fuck from tripping with amanita???

I tried eating a cap once weighed that shit and all then I felt poisoned and spewed black shit up.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21006608 - 12/21/14 08:15 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Amanitas have nothing to do with usual "magic mushrooms" and cannot be compared to.
Muscimol is a deliriant with strong dissociative effects, leading to vomiting and blacking-out if overdosed, not easy to use in a recreational way.
You can use cubes for fun, but these ones have to be treated with respect!

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    #21006686 - 12/21/14 08:45 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21008229 - 12/21/14 04:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Pandemoon said:
Beel-Zebub, maybe you have waited too long. Some of the alcohol inside the jar may evaporate within a few days, leaving room for any kind of contamination. All my tinctures so far have lowered their volume and changed there color a bit within two weeks when stored at room-temperature, so be sure to keep it out of light / in the fridge and consume it quickly after preparation.
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Regarding Beel-Zebub problem, I also found this source, hope it may help:

"...alcohol into the jar until it is completely full, and all the air bubbles rise to the top.  Make sure all mushroom mass is submerged, if any of it is above the level of the alcohol it can rot and cause an off-flavor in your final product..."
Double extraction method (by Forrester)

I decided to follow suggestion and rinse the jar to the top with the vodka previously used (below pic at day1 and rinsed).



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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
    #21017228 - 12/23/14 01:43 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Very nice guide on amanita muscaria tincture. I've recently started collecting peach fly agarics and now I'll have to try this. Thanks!


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Cajun Fungus]
    #21018549 - 12/23/14 07:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

if I made an extract with 99% iso would there be any problems???
Would I follow our guide??


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21019886 - 12/24/14 01:32 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

In the lasts chapter of this PDF You'll find the ISO tek (+links) and more tek with alcohol.
The iso tek has been discussed and performed but I haven't found trip reports about the results.
If you decide to test it, please let us know.

Others interesting tek with alcohol (not yet included in the pdf) are reported here

IMO though, Pandemoon recipe seems the easiest, best documented and (more importantly) Pandemoon personally tested it and reported the effects.



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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
    #21021289 - 12/24/14 12:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Amanita Pantherina tincture at day 3.
Filtered to a second jar according to Pandemoon recipe.



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    #21022404 - 12/24/14 06:21 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

When will you be testing.
how long will the tincture keep do you estimate??


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21023677 - 12/25/14 02:18 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

According to Pandemoon recipe it should be ready in two days from now.
I'm planning to test it shortly after.
Yesterday, when filtering, I tried a very small amount sucking the leftover on the coffee filter. It was probably the equivalent of 1/2 or 1/3 of a tea spoon.
I experienced almost no effect, except for a strong need to rest after 2h from ingestion (consistent with other stronger experiences I had).
As about lasting, I have no direct experience, maybe Pandemoon knows about it.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
    #21023771 - 12/25/14 04:27 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I tried amanita once and ate about one cap felt poisoned and spew black stuff up.
Good luck post a trip report im interested in how the tincture goes as I hate the flavour of amanita


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    #21032499 - 12/27/14 05:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I made a tincture with 1/2 oz of fly agaric and 80 proof liquor soaked for 2 days.

A friend invited me over to his crib so I decided to take a shot on the way to get the party started. Turns out the guy's whole family was there...yikes. Talking to his brother I felt it kick in and I couldn't stop laughing. I felt great and socializing was easy albeit a little weird with me laughing. All in all good trip with no nausea.

Highly recommend tincture method, it was clean and I had a good time. Would like to try it with stronger liquor. Wish I would have figured this out earlier it would have saved a lot of puking haha.


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    #21034669 - 12/28/14 10:01 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Amanita Pantherina tincture at day 7 (below with the Wodka used).



Filtered a second time according to Pandemoon recipe.
"Pandemoon amanita brain" was visible.
Tried to filter "the brain", but I'm not sure I succeeded. We'll see the next days.
I sacked the shrooms (through the filter) before throwing them away.
Not easy to determine the dose ingested but certainly more than last trial, at least double of it. No relevant effects (if any).


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    #21034787 - 12/28/14 10:34 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

oneofus: Great news and pics! Pantherinas are more brown than Muscarias, my tinctures always have this nice amber shade to it. Maybe you'll let it stand one more day, to allow the spores / brain to sink to the bottom? 
Be carefull with dosage! I never tried Pantherinas myself but they seem to be x more potent than Muscarias.

Amorphouspattern: The cap you've eaten, was is dry or eaten fresh? I just love the taste and smell of baked Amanitas!

Cajun Fungus: So peach fly agarics are not the yellow ones (-formosa), but the "peach-coloured" Amanita -persicina, right? Never heard of them but nice to know (google is my friend)! :smile: So what color is your final product?

I don't know, maybe colour does say something about the alkaloid-concentration. I geuss the yellow/peach ones are a bit less potent than the red ones?  The darker the better, with Pantherinas beeing the most potent..?


As about lasting I don't really know. Be sure to keep it in an airtight jar, that's for sure. My last year's tincture hasn't been stored properly and after a few weeks (maybe a month or two) the volume has lowerd to 3/4 and the smell became more and more rotten. I decided not to use it anymore and put it away down the toilet back then.
I think it's beause most of the alkohol went away, but I don't know if the muscimol breaks down after a period of time, or sunlight / bright light may have any influences on stability..
This is why I ony used such a little ammount this year, just a few doses for a few weeks.. :wink:

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21035817 - 12/28/14 02:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, Pantherina should be up to 10x muscaria.
I'll try Pantherina  the first time through the tincture.
I already started with very low dose trials while working on it, to get a first idea, so far nothing surprising. 
I have about 200ml of tincture having 3g of Amanita Pantherina in it.
Given your report with 14g AM tincture dosage, I will probably go for 20ml as a trial (it should contain approximately 0.3g).


Muscimol lasting over time:

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
    #21038647 - 12/29/14 09:22 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

@pandemoon
It was a dry cap from Washington.

I think its just me because I had  it as a dry cap and hated the nutty flavour and after taste I also had it as a tea with bad taste.

I gave the rest of the caps away to a guy who said he liked the flavour.
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    #21044523 - 12/30/14 03:27 PM (9 years, 30 days ago)

First tincture trial
This evening I tried the tincture.
20ml corresponding to about 1/7 of the total tincture (which ended up less than 200ml), hence 1/7 of 3g of pantherina.
No effect.
Note: I hadn't shaked the tincture before taking it. Maybe the strong part lies on the bottom?


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    #21069448 - 01/05/15 02:31 AM (9 years, 25 days ago)

Second tincture trial
I drunk about 1/6 of Amanita Pantherina tincture (corresponding to about 0.5g).
It was the bottom of the first jar so it included the "Amanita Brain" which I also drunk.
NO effects to report.

@ Pandemoon: you reported your experience with the 14g tincture, but how was your experience with the 3g of Amanita muscaria tincture?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preparation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
    #21092681 - 01/09/15 02:03 PM (9 years, 20 days ago)

just got some European A. muscaria and some from washington(west coast) and i just happen to have someone give me a free bottle of patron 40% (80 proof):dancingshroom:. also this thread looks like its dying a bit so ill bring it back:strokebeard:

its been a while since I've posted(always lurking) on shroomery but the tincture definitely caught my attention. so i have an Oz of each variant but i only have about 375ml of alcohol.
so now since that is said im interested in some input as to how much mushrooms/alcohol ratio should be. would 9g be too much, or does it really just depend on the bottle size/and if the shrooms are completely submerged? the reason why i ask about ratio is because i would like to make this pretty potent. all responses are appreciated in advanced:yinyang2:


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    #21093438 - 01/09/15 05:04 PM (9 years, 20 days ago)

By what I've read it seems it's import having the mushrooms totally covered by the Spirit. I've also read that having a 40% alcohol is best, because water will also be necessary.
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    #21094650 - 01/09/15 09:58 PM (9 years, 20 days ago)

so the tincture is now on the way, i used 17g in about 380ml of alcohol(more than i thought i had) in a 400ml jar. i have about 50-60ml of patron left for a second pull.
the ground up mushroom takes up a little less than or about half the jar and has already turned very dark orangish red. ill try and get my camera working for my next try at the tincture but for now keeping you updated with the process is all that can be done. be back with a photo of the final product:crazy2:.


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    #21099381 - 01/10/15 10:53 PM (9 years, 19 days ago)

so is there in any reasoning in the length of saturation of a the mushrooms for a whole week pandemoon or others? i was thinking about 3 or 4days tops, then filter and wait 2 more days to see if further filtering or seperateing is needed


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    #21102971 - 01/11/15 05:10 PM (9 years, 18 days ago)

Some says even longer (2 weeks - 1 month). 
This thread would provide you some links.
Anyway I choose to follow Pandemoon recipe.
I'm curious about the effects of your tincture.
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    #21119966 - 01/14/15 11:07 AM (9 years, 16 days ago)

Here's a photo update, yesterday i pulled out 25ml as too have products at different saturation periods and then added 30-35ish ml of patron back into the bottle to continue to pull from the base soup.

in this photo you can see the layers best. theres the ground up mush layer and then the clowdy layer on top looks like 2 seperte layers in person


cant tell in photos but liquid is rather transparent



Tried about 7-10ml of first pull last night. After an hour or so i had slight euphoric feelings right before bed(could be placebo or weed), and then had an odd dream. so no true undeniable affects but maybe more of like a preiview trip... lol. when i actaully plan on tripping ill probably take a shot glass worth to get full affects. till then good vibes to all  :trippinbawelz::voila::trippinbawelz:

EDIT: thanks oneofus for the thread links


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    #21120863 - 01/14/15 03:03 PM (9 years, 15 days ago)

Looks nice :thumbup: Also nice glass :thumbup:

I wish I had found some amanitas this season, when I have more $ I will have to buy some or maybe wait until next season. I was talking to my grandma about them and she claimed she tried them at some point. Which wouldn't surprise me because she was into some crazy stuff. I thought it was kind of funny though. Definitely let us know how it goes when you really try it out.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: musiclover420]
    #21123658 - 01/15/15 03:08 AM (9 years, 15 days ago)

@ oneofus: Based on your (nice! :smile: ) pictures, your liquid(s) seems to be less saturated than mine, even brighter / lighter. I tried to grind my mushrooms to a very fine powder, the smaller the chunks the better I'd say.
I thought your's would be darker than mine, due to the pantherinas. My "first wash" became really dark red after just two days.

My second tincture isn't as strong as my first. I tried it twice since, about half a shotglass for little sedating and music-enhancing effects. But it's weird that you didn't get any effects at all..

A friend of mine used to put (two to three) whole mushrooms (var. muscaria) into Vodka, not grinded at all. We drank a shotglass of this more yellow-shaded Vodka about two weeks later (5 people), and we all got the Amanita working, like beeing very talkable and restless, some kind of beeing stressed as if you were looking for something in a hurry but you aren't.. These have been my very first experiences with amanitas and this method was how I hit on the idea of my first tincture.

Maybe we just DO need more time. I've chosen two days because the color turned out to be very dark by then, seemd to be enough for me due to the fact that I planned a second wash furthermore.
If you don't grind them small enough you need more time, maybe it's that simple..?


@shroomekalb96: This looks awesome, nearly as saturated as my last year's tincture!
If you now let it stand still for one more day it will become more transparent and you may be able to suck off / skim off the top layer of liquid somehow.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21129841 - 01/16/15 03:40 PM (9 years, 13 days ago)

Pandemoon, thanks for the additional information.
I believe it's more in the dosage and/or the mushrooms (it's first time for me with pantherina).
If the cause of low potency was due to the unproper grinding, than the mushrooms pieces leftovers would have kept the potency in them.
That wasn't the case.  I can tell because before throwing them away, I kept them in the mouth sucking on them for quite some time and I didn't get any effect (while the same done with cubensis in the past...  surprised me in the opposite way). Given your experience with tincture at lower dose I believe that my situation may depend on a combination of low dosage and low potency mushrooms.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
    #24704198 - 10/12/17 07:53 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys,

seems like this thread is dead for a long time. I am from germany too. I read this whole thread and decided to collect some amanitas muscaria. I found some, though half of them were full of maggots but the rest I dried so I got 3g of dried shrooms. I just set up the tincture today with 50% vodka. I'll probably send some pics in the future and report how my tincture worked.

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    #24856469 - 12/19/17 06:51 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)



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    #24856932 - 12/20/17 03:20 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Nice one, how many grams did you put in there? Half an oz?

I always made three pulls and then combined the liquids. Two tablespoons of this tincture is enough for me to feel it.

Please report back on any of your next steps. :thumbup:

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    #24856955 - 12/20/17 04:01 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I have dropped in a bag that was ordered as being 28g (1oz), minus a cap or two I already ate as is, BUT it was only 28 gram because they weren't all the way dry. They were very pliable, dried at 40°C (104°F), so I gave them an hour in a cracked oven at about 85°C (185°F) before crushing them to a powder with my hands and then transferring the resulting flaky heap to the jar. I wanted to give it a final weigh before and after the oven run, but it seems the leprechauns you see when Amanita takes hold, took hold of my scale somehow. I'll just hope they return it for my next batch :wink:

My next step will be filtering the liquid in a week, probably not through a coffee filter though. I think I'll use a cotton ball in a bottleneck, as per "percolator tek" for some herbals. I've found filtering through cotton balls to be very effective and way faster than through a coffee filter in the past, so I'm hoping it won't be any different with this. I do usually throw it through a sieve to get the biggest gunk out beforehand.

After that I'll be waiting a few days to let the "brain" (we could maybe also call it the "mother"? Pertaining to it's resemblance of a vinegar mother.) form before straining it off again through a cotton ball.

I'll definitely try a second pull and if it still seems to contain a lot, a third. When you say 2 tablespoons is enough to feel it, I assume you mean psychotropic effects?

I use it therapeutically (though I really like the threshold psychotropic effects at lower doses as well) for pain, fatigue, brain fog and other stuff related to lyme disease, and that calls for a bit less than psychotropic effects. I can't imagine Flying much higher daily to be very enjoyable :p


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    #24863252 - 12/23/17 05:13 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'll be filtering it out earlier than planned. After a colour judge and bio-assay, I decided I will filter it out today (after a 3 day pull), then I'll pour in new alcohol and let it sit for 2 days more, and then once more for 1 day, though each time with less alcohol of the same strength. This way, I hope to keep it a bit more concentrated. I'll then let the combined liquid stand for 3 more days before collecting the "brain" or "mother" (like in vinegar). The mash will be given back to the earth at the end of the last pull, which will be on Christmas. The tincture will then also be tested for the first time, before letting the brain form. I think I will keep the brain and bio-assay it to try and compare it's effects to the tincture alone, in varying doses.


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    #24995722 - 02/15/18 06:13 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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    #25049070 - 03/08/18 01:36 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Hello guys. Its been a while since my last post. Now I managed to finish the tincture last year too and wanted to share some pictures from my final tincture. Never tried it yet can it become less potential after some time?


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    #25367056 - 08/04/18 07:09 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you for sharing this. I’m wondering why it needs a second wash? Am I missing something? I’d planned on just doing the one, but there may be a factor I haven’t considered. Thank you for educating me.


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    #25367070 - 08/04/18 07:16 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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Thank you for sharing this. I’m wondering why it needs a second wash? Am I missing something? I’d planned on just doing the one, but there may be a factor I haven’t considered. Thank you for educating me.




A second wash is usually to try and get out any remaining actives. Though maybe there's another reason in this case.

Depending on the plant it can be worth doing 2-3+ washes but there are many factors, and each wash will have a lower yield. 1-2 long washes would probably get most of the actives out usually, but some plants are more "stubborn" then others. Multiple shorter washes could result in a purer extract depending on the desired end result, but for tincture that wouldn't really matter.


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    #25369126 - 08/05/18 10:12 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

Of course! That makes perfect sense. Thank you for the cohesive explanation. Love this joint;)


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    #25377455 - 08/09/18 02:40 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

I think the nausea is actually from not drying them completely. Drying in the sun just doesn’t seem to  do it. Get a cheap dehydrator and get them cracker dry. Zero nausea;)


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    #27988327 - 10/08/22 02:15 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

The Amanita muscaria strains growing in America tend to have GI effects on the body, while the ones growing in Europe seem to give you mainly psychotropic effects.


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    #28129029 - 01/07/23 09:24 AM (1 year, 21 days ago)

How did this method work out for you in comparison to the original post? I just got my own little tincture started but then saw this method where you did multiple washes with rum.


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    #28531360 - 11/06/23 05:15 AM (2 months, 21 days ago)

I've had upsetting GI tract issues from the ones in Europe too, just so you know.

The times there was gastric upset, there was no mental intoxication or any other physical symptoms other than an upset stomach, bowel cramps and diarrhea. Both times the specimens were young and fresh enough so no spoilage could have occured, one being a cap that was almost flat but still in perfect shape, the other being in the bulbous umbrella form stage.

I've also had a few more pleasant experiences, and I can't think of one thing whatsoever what could signify beforehand what experience should be expected. It's something that's made me more weary of consuming them, though not at all against it. More so that it's something that should be thought about and preferably have a prepared setting for.

That being said, I have also been sick with barely any trippy effect at all on psychedelic truffles shared with my wife while she had a great trip, and vice versa, she has been sick while I have been fine and tripping as well.

It's hard to say for me wether it's an effect coming from mushroom constituents or simply a reaction that is sometimes to be expected from the human body to these substances.

Open for discussion of course.

About dessication: I've dried fly agaric mushrooms on dehydrators and had no effects when consumed. Same with purchased amanita muscaria from online sources out of siberia IIRC.

Whenever I've had effects, wether it be GI tract upset or tripping (on multiple occasions) it's been after frying fresh amanita muscaria in butter in a pan with a tiny bit of salt and pepper. Between a quarter and a whole cap has proven enough on a few occasions to feel pleasantly intoxicated. This is not to be taken as dosage advice though, as strength between different amanita muscaria mushrooms can vary greatly, and caution should always be taken in the form of careful sampling and very patient eating, taking time in between pieces (in my general caution I take 1/8ths of a cap before waiting some time).

That's just my view for my own mild personal use though. I'm sure a lot more than what I have found to be pleasurable is possible when one is either not careful or just deliberately indulging. To each their own.


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