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oneofus
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
#21008229 - 12/21/14 04:19 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Pandemoon said: Beel-Zebub, maybe you have waited too long. Some of the alcohol inside the jar may evaporate within a few days, leaving room for any kind of contamination. All my tinctures so far have lowered their volume and changed there color a bit within two weeks when stored at room-temperature, so be sure to keep it out of light / in the fridge and consume it quickly after preparation. -
Regarding Beel-Zebub problem, I also found this source, hope it may help:
"...alcohol into the jar until it is completely full, and all the air bubbles rise to the top. Make sure all mushroom mass is submerged, if any of it is above the level of the alcohol it can rot and cause an off-flavor in your final product..." Double extraction method (by Forrester)
I decided to follow suggestion and rinse the jar to the top with the vodka previously used (below pic at day1 and rinsed).
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
#21017228 - 12/23/14 01:43 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very nice guide on amanita muscaria tincture. I've recently started collecting peach fly agarics and now I'll have to try this. Thanks!
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Cajun Fungus]
#21018549 - 12/23/14 07:04 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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if I made an extract with 99% iso would there be any problems??? Would I follow our guide??
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
#21019886 - 12/24/14 01:32 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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In the lasts chapter of this PDF You'll find the ISO tek (+links) and more tek with alcohol. The iso tek has been discussed and performed but I haven't found trip reports about the results. If you decide to test it, please let us know.
Others interesting tek with alcohol (not yet included in the pdf) are reported here
IMO though, Pandemoon recipe seems the easiest, best documented and (more importantly) Pandemoon personally tested it and reported the effects.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
#21021289 - 12/24/14 12:30 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Amanita Pantherina tincture at day 3. Filtered to a second jar according to Pandemoon recipe.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
#21022404 - 12/24/14 06:21 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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When will you be testing. how long will the tincture keep do you estimate??
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
#21023677 - 12/25/14 02:18 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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According to Pandemoon recipe it should be ready in two days from now. I'm planning to test it shortly after. Yesterday, when filtering, I tried a very small amount sucking the leftover on the coffee filter. It was probably the equivalent of 1/2 or 1/3 of a tea spoon. I experienced almost no effect, except for a strong need to rest after 2h from ingestion (consistent with other stronger experiences I had). As about lasting, I have no direct experience, maybe Pandemoon knows about it.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
#21023771 - 12/25/14 04:27 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I tried amanita once and ate about one cap felt poisoned and spew black stuff up. Good luck post a trip report im interested in how the tincture goes as I hate the flavour of amanita
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
#21032499 - 12/27/14 05:00 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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I made a tincture with 1/2 oz of fly agaric and 80 proof liquor soaked for 2 days.
A friend invited me over to his crib so I decided to take a shot on the way to get the party started. Turns out the guy's whole family was there...yikes. Talking to his brother I felt it kick in and I couldn't stop laughing. I felt great and socializing was easy albeit a little weird with me laughing. All in all good trip with no nausea.
Highly recommend tincture method, it was clean and I had a good time. Would like to try it with stronger liquor. Wish I would have figured this out earlier it would have saved a lot of puking haha.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Cajun Fungus]
#21034669 - 12/28/14 10:01 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Amanita Pantherina tincture at day 7 (below with the Wodka used).
 Filtered a second time according to Pandemoon recipe. "Pandemoon amanita brain" was visible. Tried to filter "the brain", but I'm not sure I succeeded. We'll see the next days. I sacked the shrooms (through the filter) before throwing them away. Not easy to determine the dose ingested but certainly more than last trial, at least double of it. No relevant effects (if any).
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
#21034787 - 12/28/14 10:34 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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oneofus: Great news and pics! Pantherinas are more brown than Muscarias, my tinctures always have this nice amber shade to it. Maybe you'll let it stand one more day, to allow the spores / brain to sink to the bottom? Be carefull with dosage! I never tried Pantherinas myself but they seem to be x more potent than Muscarias.
Amorphouspattern: The cap you've eaten, was is dry or eaten fresh? I just love the taste and smell of baked Amanitas!
Cajun Fungus: So peach fly agarics are not the yellow ones (-formosa), but the "peach-coloured" Amanita -persicina, right? Never heard of them but nice to know (google is my friend)! So what color is your final product?
I don't know, maybe colour does say something about the alkaloid-concentration. I geuss the yellow/peach ones are a bit less potent than the red ones? The darker the better, with Pantherinas beeing the most potent..?
As about lasting I don't really know. Be sure to keep it in an airtight jar, that's for sure. My last year's tincture hasn't been stored properly and after a few weeks (maybe a month or two) the volume has lowerd to 3/4 and the smell became more and more rotten. I decided not to use it anymore and put it away down the toilet back then. I think it's beause most of the alkohol went away, but I don't know if the muscimol breaks down after a period of time, or sunlight / bright light may have any influences on stability.. This is why I ony used such a little ammount this year, just a few doses for a few weeks.. 
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
#21035817 - 12/28/14 02:49 PM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, Pantherina should be up to 10x muscaria. I'll try Pantherina the first time through the tincture. I already started with very low dose trials while working on it, to get a first idea, so far nothing surprising. I have about 200ml of tincture having 3g of Amanita Pantherina in it. Given your report with 14g AM tincture dosage, I will probably go for 20ml as a trial (it should contain approximately 0.3g).
Muscimol lasting over time:
Beel-Zebub post
More info about Amanita Muscaria:
Amanita Muscaria how to (work in progress) PDF
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
#21038647 - 12/29/14 09:22 AM (9 years, 1 month ago) |
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@pandemoon It was a dry cap from Washington.
I think its just me because I had it as a dry cap and hated the nutty flavour and after taste I also had it as a tea with bad taste.
I gave the rest of the caps away to a guy who said he liked the flavour. I like eating culinary mushrooms so yeah that's a bit of a mystery
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
#21044523 - 12/30/14 03:27 PM (9 years, 30 days ago) |
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First tincture trial This evening I tried the tincture. 20ml corresponding to about 1/7 of the total tincture (which ended up less than 200ml), hence 1/7 of 3g of pantherina. No effect. Note: I hadn't shaked the tincture before taking it. Maybe the strong part lies on the bottom?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
#21069448 - 01/05/15 02:31 AM (9 years, 25 days ago) |
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Second tincture trial I drunk about 1/6 of Amanita Pantherina tincture (corresponding to about 0.5g). It was the bottom of the first jar so it included the "Amanita Brain" which I also drunk. NO effects to report.
@ Pandemoon: you reported your experience with the 14g tincture, but how was your experience with the 3g of Amanita muscaria tincture? At which dosage did you get some interesting effects?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preparation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
#21092681 - 01/09/15 02:03 PM (9 years, 20 days ago) |
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just got some European A. muscaria and some from washington(west coast) and i just happen to have someone give me a free bottle of patron 40% (80 proof) . also this thread looks like its dying a bit so ill bring it back
its been a while since I've posted(always lurking) on shroomery but the tincture definitely caught my attention. so i have an Oz of each variant but i only have about 375ml of alcohol. so now since that is said im interested in some input as to how much mushrooms/alcohol ratio should be. would 9g be too much, or does it really just depend on the bottle size/and if the shrooms are completely submerged? the reason why i ask about ratio is because i would like to make this pretty potent. all responses are appreciated in advanced
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preparation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: shroomekalb96]
#21093438 - 01/09/15 05:04 PM (9 years, 20 days ago) |
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By what I've read it seems it's import having the mushrooms totally covered by the Spirit. I've also read that having a 40% alcohol is best, because water will also be necessary. Please let us know about results.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preparation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
#21094650 - 01/09/15 09:58 PM (9 years, 20 days ago) |
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so the tincture is now on the way, i used 17g in about 380ml of alcohol(more than i thought i had) in a 400ml jar. i have about 50-60ml of patron left for a second pull. the ground up mushroom takes up a little less than or about half the jar and has already turned very dark orangish red. ill try and get my camera working for my next try at the tincture but for now keeping you updated with the process is all that can be done. be back with a photo of the final product .
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: shroomekalb96]
#21099381 - 01/10/15 10:53 PM (9 years, 19 days ago) |
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so is there in any reasoning in the length of saturation of a the mushrooms for a whole week pandemoon or others? i was thinking about 3 or 4days tops, then filter and wait 2 more days to see if further filtering or seperateing is needed
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: shroomekalb96] 1
#21102971 - 01/11/15 05:10 PM (9 years, 18 days ago) |
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Some says even longer (2 weeks - 1 month). This thread would provide you some links. Anyway I choose to follow Pandemoon recipe. I'm curious about the effects of your tincture. Best luck
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