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Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it * 5
    #20643485 - 10/01/14 08:05 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hello everyone!

I want to share some information about Amanita Muscaria and my experiences with this "not_so_well_known" -mushroom, especially with dosage and preperation.


I live in the middle of Germany (srry for any misspelling!), lots of woods and forests over here. In fall mushrooms spawn everywhere so I've collected all my amanitas by myself.
Last year I've collected nearly 40 mushrooms of different sizes, beeing about one ounce dried (31g!). Amanita Muscaria var. Muscaria only (the red ones).

When chewed and swallowed, or eaten in any other way, most people tend to use up to half an ounce (10g< >15g, dried) of this mushroom to trip hard. I found out I need at least 4g (dried) to feel minor effects.
So all my collected mushrooms of one season would lead to 3-5 trips only? - Disappointment!

Having consumed half of my material within two months (eaten and brewed tea), I decided to make a tincture out of what was left, just to try out another way of consumption. Here's what I did:



1) Proper drying:

- collect your mushrooms and clean them with a towel or backside of a knife, also get rid of the stems
- use a sharp knife to cut the hats into smaller pieces (the same way you cut a pizza)
- Let them lay down in sunlight for a day or two, to see if any worms appear. The ones with too many should be thrown away, although these're harmless
- then put them in the oven and let them dry at 70°C (~160°F) for some hours. Do not fully close the oven, instead, leave it open a few inches
- after about 6 hours the mushrooms will become crispy and super-dry. Now all the ibotenic-acid is converted to muscimol and drying is completed
- if you still have any doubts, bake them again for half an hour the next day




2) The tincture:

- grind the dried mushrooms into a fine brown powder (coffe-grinder or mortar and pestle) and then put it into a mason jar
- the powder must not fill more than half of the jar
- fill the jar with VODKA, white RUM, or any other white liquor (with at least 40% alcohol)
- close the jar and leave it standing for a week, shake it a minute every two days
- now beeing dark red and cloudy, screen it with wet coffee filters, twice
- get rid of the powder and allow the liquid to sit another three days, because..
- .. "something" will connect to some kind of ghost/cloud in the middle. I call this the "amanita brain" :smile:, I don't know what it is, it happens everytime although the jars have been propperly sterilised. So I think it's the spores that haven't been filtert out, thery're just too small for coffee filters
- to get it clear, just scoop, skim or spoon the good stuff from the side into another (airtight) jar and you'll be left with an awesome-looking amber muscaria-tincture




The tincture shown in the image above was made of half an ounce of powdered amanita muscaria (14g) and about seven fluid-ounces (??) of VODKA (250ml, a quater of 1 liter).



Experiences:
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Due to the fact that I only used 14g of amanita powder to make this tincture, I thought a small shotglas (2cl, about 1/10th of the tincture) would be a nice dose to start with.
"If I feel anything, it would be threshhold-effects only." I was VERY wrong.
Half an hour after ingestion something told me to take a nap. I wasn't tired at all, but my body AND my thoughts forced me to lay down. I fell asleep quickly and had the wildest, most bizzar and lucid dream ever.
I cant'n remember that much, but then something (some kind of black silouette turning to me?) inside my dream scared the shit out of me, so I instantly woke up covered in sweat, getting the urge to vomit and shit at the same time.
Went to the toilet, didn't vomit. Taking a shit I found the entire bathroom spinning and rotating in some kind of way I have never seen before.

Although my vision was very blurry, the edges of every object seemd to be self-luminous and rotating clockwise, full of energy, while every surface was sprinkling small spots of light into the room.
Hard to describe, but definitly the kind of visuals that I have read about you get from a high dose amanita-trip! .. Relax! Thoughts keep running.. rollercoaster.. loopings.. again and again!
Beeing very confused I somehow stumbled my way back to my room and passed out again and again, just to be pushed to wake up again by some kind of invisible force/present entities? .. More and more scary dreams and unbearable sweating!

I don't remember anything else of that night and the next day I woke up still beeing very confused about what just had happened, but I had no negative side-effects I can remember.
I have not expected this kind of intensity, so I would call this overdosed. :smile:


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The next time I only used one tablespoon of the tincture, poured into a warm red fruit-tea with lots of sugar. The taste was great and I could feel threshhold-effects!

Quickly I found out that 2-3 tablespoons in a tea is the right dosage for me.
This will give me mild body sensations, feeling some kind of energy floating though my body combined with feelings of happyness and joy. Much like a very small dose of MDMA.
No open-eye visuals, but the body feels light and fluffy and one gets the urge to do something. In my head clear and ultra-sharp visions pop up in front of my inner eye,
every single thought is beeing translated or transformed into what looks like alive FullHD-images. CEVs may become cinematic thought-warps. I'm an artist and I found this drug to be very helpfull in a creative-way:

Looking at some of my paintings/pictures while tripping on amanita-tincture, I instantly "feel and see" how I could improve, enhance, or just correct my work. This is just AMAZING.

I've never experienced this state of minde before, it seems to be triggered by amanita muscaria only (although I never tried ketamine, but psilocybin and lsd a lot!).
The mild trip lasts about 2-3hours. When I keep the liquid in my mouth for a minute before swallowing, I swear I can feel the effects immediately.

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I'm still wondering why my tincture is so potent. I got up to 20 doses out of 14g. And what the heck is this amanita-brain? It looks so creepy, but it cannot be due to contermination (everything has been sterilsed and there's about 40% alcohol inside the tincture).

These are my experiences with amanita muscaria so far. This year's tincture is not finished yet, but some mushrooms have been collected and dried..


Greetz, Pandemoon
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Edited by Pandemoon (10/01/14 03:11 PM)


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #20647637 - 10/02/14 06:54 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Great write up. I found my first A. Muscarias a couple of days ago, 3 large caps. Ive dried them in the food dehydrator over night(~165F) now they are sitting in a jar.

Not sure if I will ever try them, but if I do I might try your tincture!


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: falox]
    #20692014 - 10/12/14 09:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like a great preparation. Gotta try this but mixing A.M
with too much alcohol is risky and I've read that siberians
do not recommend it. Better make it potent.

I'm curious of how long the muscimol lasts in this solution.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Beel-Zebub]
    #20695688 - 10/13/14 03:28 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the great info! Based on the method of extraction what do you think about using 99% iso, then evaporating after it as been thoroughly soaked? If head converts the actives seems like they could handle it and you could make an ultra potent resin. I could see the alcohol speeding up the absorption though or something which may have attributed to it. Did you hold the first tincture dose inside your mouth for awhile? I have been interested in muscaria for awhile but the things I have read about brain damage being caused by them have kept me away. I guess that is the point of heating them up though.

One last thing, I read an some things about muscaria on erowid, and basically I was reading about how different scientists from different parts of the world were finding different actives in muscaria, leading me to believe different parts of the world could have varying qualities. Which may explain why some people get nothing out of it, where as others have intense experiences like yours.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: musiclover420]
    #20695879 - 10/13/14 07:25 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hello everyone!

The alcohol is beeing used for preservation only. So you won't get drunk from half a shotglas of this liqueur, a glas of beer has about 4 times more alcohol.
I don't want to create any potent resins, the goal for me was to have a psychoactive liquid that one can add to any drink.


Just made my new one, here are some pics:

This time only 3g of crushed amanita muscaria was used. I've got a few of these zipper-bags full of mushrooms left, to make another tincture whenever I want to during the seasons..




3g amanita muscaria in a 80ml jar:




Filled with 60ml white RUM (40% alcohol):




After two days:




Pour / tip the clear liquid carefully into another jar through a wet coffeefilter, while leaving the slimy stuff inside
Then fill it up again with white RUM, this time 40ml:




Two more days and the second wash will be clear:




Pour the clear liquid only into another jar, again through a wet coffeefilter. Ret rid of the remainig slimy mushroom-slick:




I mixed them together to get the final result:




I have not tried it out yet, but when I do I will use a few tablespoons only, poured into a warm fruit-tea.. :smile:

Greetz, Pandemoon


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #20696533 - 10/13/14 11:14 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It looks so beautiful. I'm excited to try this. A spoon of this 'Ol' artist spirit' and some puffs of herb for a merry evening :-)

But I have one complaint regarding your prep. You say "throw away stems". They are less potent yes. But still potent. And something that will suprise you is that the bulb is more than half as potent as the caps! If one picks larvae-free A.M, the bulb is just as excellent. Missing out on 1/3 (probably) of the psychoactive wonders is a mistake.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Beel-Zebub]
    #20700287 - 10/14/14 04:32 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Did you hold the first tincture dose inside your mouth for awhile?




No. One shotglas straight down.

Quote:

A spoon of this 'Ol' artist spirit' and some puffs of herb for a merry evening :-)




That's it!

Quote:

[...] the bulb is just as excellent.




Hm, nice to know. Next year I'll keep them and make a stem-only tinctue and see how this works out.

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MORE to come in a few days, gonna be a shroomy weekend.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Beel-Zebub]
    #20927710 - 12/04/14 11:12 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Tried out my tincture today. Felt the usual sweet and calming low-dose feeling from 4 teaspoons. But, I got the runs bad. Like liquid squirting outta my ass.. I can't seem to pinpoint anything other than the tincture as the culprit. I sure hope not.

Only another trial will tell. Really nice tek otherwise. Easy dosing.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Beel-Zebub]
    #21002241 - 12/20/14 08:23 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

I'm joining the club.
Just started doing the tincture suggested by Pandemoon. 

I decided to use Amanita Pantherina instead.
So my jar has:

- 3g Amanita Pantherina manually cut in little pieces
(picked up early September this year - dried with dehydrator)
- 80ml of pure Vodka (60ml seemed not enough to we'll cover the AP)

I'll let you know.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: oneofus]
    #21002280 - 12/20/14 08:47 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

quite fascinating, I am curious on both of the OPs and poster above me results again

" In remote areas of Lithuania Amanita muscaria has been consumed at wedding feasts, in which mushrooms were mixed with vodka."

Believable? perhaps

Far away neighbors drank urine from shamans

just disgusting


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Beel-Zebub]
    #21006279 - 12/21/14 04:24 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Nice to see you all trying out this tek. :smile:

Beel-Zebub, maybe you have waited too long. Some of the alcohol inside the jar may evaporate within a few days, leaving room for any kind of contamination. All my tinctures so far have lowered their volume and changed there color a bit within two weeks when stored at room-temperature, so be sure to keep it out of light / in the fridge and consume it quickly after preparation.

oneofus: Great news, haven't tried it with pantherias yet. Let us know how it worked out.

Nazyshroomer: Sure the "Fill-Vodkabottle-With-Shrooms"-tek is well known in russia for decades.. and drinking the shaman's urine is good because the urine contains only the good stuff of the amanitas, the shaman's body filters out the bad stuff that makes you nauseous..

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21006456 - 12/21/14 06:45 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

yeah but who wants to drink urine is it really worth it.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern] * 1
    #21006473 - 12/21/14 06:52 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Some places I'd draw the line this tincture no

Cheesing shamans lol
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: natzyshroomer]
    #21006525 - 12/21/14 07:30 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

natzyshroomer said:
Some places I'd draw the line this tincture no

Cheesing shamans lol
Yes



Cheesing?? is that a street slang for shaman piss????


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21006539 - 12/21/14 07:38 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Amorphouspattern said:
yeah but who wants to drink urine is it really worth it.




If you have only a few mushrooms for a whole group of people, then it is.
Even if there's only one single dose of shrooms, most of the group gets high by drinking each others urine..  what's the problem? Urine is healthwise pretty safe to drink, think about that. :wink:

But drinking urine has nothing to do with this thread / tek, so pls.

Maybe some admin/MOD can move this thread to "The Psychedelic Experience"-Forum, because it's no longer a single trip-report..?

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21006542 - 12/21/14 07:41 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

There must be another way of removing the nauseating chemicals.
We no longer need to feed cats coffe beans and brew there poo beans so maybe.

I think I would just pass but if it was societal norm to do this then I see no problem...


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21006570 - 12/21/14 07:56 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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There must be another way of removing the nauseating chemicals.




Sure there is another way to get rid of the ibotenic-acid, it is explained above in the first post. So drinking urine is not necessary.

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    #21006580 - 12/21/14 08:00 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

is there much mind fuck from tripping with amanita???

I tried eating a cap once weighed that shit and all then I felt poisoned and spewed black shit up.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Amorphouspattern]
    #21006608 - 12/21/14 08:15 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)

Amanitas have nothing to do with usual "magic mushrooms" and cannot be compared to.
Muscimol is a deliriant with strong dissociative effects, leading to vomiting and blacking-out if overdosed, not easy to use in a recreational way.
You can use cubes for fun, but these ones have to be treated with respect!

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Tincture!? Preperation and experiences - It's worth it [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21006686 - 12/21/14 08:45 AM (9 years, 1 month ago)



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