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 Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead 
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/031102/325/ect49.html
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BAISA, Iraq (Reuters) - Guerrillas have shot down a U.S. transport helicopter near Baghdad carrying troops on a recreation break, killing at least 13 in the bloodiest attack on U.S. occupiers since Saddam Hussein was overthrown.
The crippled Chinook came down in farmland near the village of Baisa, south of Falluja, a stronghold of anti-U.S. resistance 50 km (30 miles) west of Baghdad.
"Currently 13 soldiers are KIA (killed in action) and some 20 wounded," a U.S. Army spokesman told Reuters on Sunday.
U.S. military helicopters circled above. Other helicopters and U.S. Humvee vehicles were parked around the wreckage.
A U.S. spokesman said two Chinooks had been heading for Baghdad airport with troops on a rest and recreation break. He said the downed helicopter, carrying 30 people including five crew, had been "shot down by an unknown weapon".
A witness in Falluja, Dawoud Suleiman, said: "There were two American helicopters. They fired a missile at one and missed, and then they hit the other, which crashed and caught fire."
Some Iraqis were jubilant. "The Americans are pigs. We will hold a celebration because this helicopter went down -- a big celebration," said wheat farmer Saadoun Jaralla near the crash site. "The Americans are enemies of mankind."
U.S. troops told journalists to leave the area and confiscated their film as another military medical helicopter with a red cross sign on its side landed, sending up clouds of dust from the dry scrubland.
It was the third time guerrillas had brought down a U.S. military helicopter since U.S. President George W. Bush declared major combat over in Iraq on May 1.
Bush himself had vowed on Saturday to stand firm and said leaving Iraq prematurely would strengthen the "terrorists" who he blamed for recent deadly suicide attacks.
DANCING ON THE WRECKAGE
In Falluja, residents said a roadside bomb had hit a convoy of U.S. soldiers in civilian vehicles. At least one vehicle was ablaze at the scene, where crowds gathered to celebrate and shout anti-U.S. slogans. Television pictures showed a gleeful youth wearing a U.S. Army helmet. Others danced on wreckage.
Before the helicopter attack, 123 U.S. soldiers had died in hostilities in Iraq in the past six months, including one killed by an overnight roadside bomb blast in Baghdad and two killed by a bomb in the northern city of Mosul the day before.
In Baquba, northeast of Baghdad, residents said a roadside bomb had exploded as a U.S. convoy passed, hitting a bus carrying university students and wounding two women.
Several of Iraq's neighbours were holding security talks in Damascus over the weekend, mindful of recent American assertions that Syria and Iran are not doing enough to prevent foreign militants crossing into Iraq.
But Iraq's interim foreign minister, Hoshiyar Zebari, said he would not accept a belated invitation to attend.
Officials at his ministry said Syria had been reluctant to invite him because of misgivings about being seen to recognise Iraq's U.S.-backed interim government.
"It's impossible for us to make it, and that was their intention," Zebari told Reuters on Sunday. "We don't even know what the agenda is."
U.S. troops and Iraqi police had tightened security in Baghdad and other cities over the weekend in response to rumours that guerrillas planned another series of bombings.
Many fearful parents kept their children out of schools in the capital for the second day in a row, and some of the pupils who did show up for class seemed terrified.
Outside the Baghdad Middle School for Girls, one of three armed guards said some pupils had wept when dropped off by their parents. The deputy headmistress, who declined to give her name, said only about a fifth of her 750 pupils had turned up.
"They're staying away because they're afraid of explosions. We've tried to assure parents that it's safe," she said.
The rumours followed suicide bombings against the Red Cross and three police stations on Monday, which killed at least 35 people and prompted the United Nations and other aid agencies to withdraw more foreign staff and review their operations in Iraq.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Sorted]
#2064657 - 11/02/03 10:16 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Think we're up to 33 attacks a day now. Double the number that were occuring in July. This is shaping up nicely into another Vietnam.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
#2064685 - 11/02/03 10:35 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alex123 said:
Think we're up to 33 attacks a day now. Double the number that were occuring in July. This is shaping up nicely into another Vietnam.
That's what it looks like now; unfortunately i doubt that it will teach us the same social lesson that Viet Nam did. The Bush govt is much more beligerant (as is the mainstream population) than LBJ and Nixon; and in fact the agressive seizure of mideast oil might be a matter or national survival (Interesting how their "swing case" pins the crisis right around the Mayan End Date).
I dont know why i dont just get a match and set the whole global reserve on fire. Then there would be no more need for killing (and no more napalm either)...It really is the root of all evil.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Annapurna1]
#2064700 - 11/02/03 10:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's a new book out called "The faith of George Bush" in which it quotes Bush as saying God tells him what to do. And that he also prays with Blair.
Must be the most terrifying thing I've read in a while.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
#2064711 - 11/02/03 10:50 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Think we're up to 33 attacks a day now. Double the number that were occuring in July. This is shaping up nicely into another Vietnam.
there have so far been 379 american soldiers killed in 7 and a half months of combat.
379 / 7.5 = 50 soldiers killed per month in iraq.
in vietnam, there were 58,169 american soldiers killed in 10 years.
58,189 / 120 = 485 soldiers killed per month in vietnam.
the average number of US soldiers killed per month in iraq has been 50. in vietnam, it was 485, almost ten times as many. the total number of US soldiers killed in the 10 years of fighting in vietnam is 153 times as many as the total killed so far in iraq.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2064728 - 11/02/03 10:54 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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And how many american soldiers were killed in the first 6 months after America became involved in Vietnam? Try and compare like with like.
Also don't forget there were many hundreds of thousands more americans in Vietnam than there are in Iraq right now.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
#2064749 - 11/02/03 11:05 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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More needs to be done to protect both coalition troops and Iraqi civilians, perhaps we (UK) should consider sending in more troops and try to get more middle eastern involvement in the re-construction effort...
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
#2064799 - 11/02/03 11:36 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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alot less.
america's involvement in vietnam did not begin with a massive, intense, immediately victorious assault, like it did in iraq. it began with first with military advisors, then a few troops to help the south vietnamese forces, than a whole bunch of troops to fight the war for them.
US involvement in vietnam grew slowly over a period of time, while american troop levels in the middle east have decreased since the start of the war.
there was a large, organized, focused, and determined resistance to US troops in vietnam; 1,100,000 communist fighters are estimated to have been killed in total. in 1967, the estimated troop strength of the NVA was at 300,000. as early as 1961, the viet cong had 25,000 men.
the situation in iraq is entirely different. the level of resistance is nowhere close, and will never be, as high as it was in vietnam.
in vietnam, they were fighting the organized armed forces of a sovereign nation, veterans of their recent victory against french colonial rule.
the resistance in iraq is nothing of the sort.
Try and compare like with like.
that's precisely my point. the two are different beyond comparison.
Also don't forget there were many hundreds of thousands more americans in Vietnam than there are in Iraq right now.
yes. there were, and that isn't going to change.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2064858 - 11/02/03 12:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure, the casualties may not be as high at the moment but it's clear we're in for a long guerilla war with resistance increasing all the time.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
#2064975 - 11/02/03 12:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?vts=110220030725
15 in the chinook
4 in Fallujah
1 in baghdad
3 or 4 in Abu Gahrib
23 or 24 today....
If the average was 485 a month in vietnam, 16.167 a day, then it looks like today was a worse day then the average day there, eh? And it isnt over yet, not to mention the fact that they will not report the soldiers that died after evac.
More then 15 ended up dying, they just wont report on the deaths that happened after they left the scene. It is ridiculous.
Bring em on, eh?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065025 - 11/02/03 01:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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why are you cheering for them?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2065110 - 11/02/03 01:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Im not cheering anyone, you can put all the words in my mouth you wish.
Im simply stating the FACTS of what is occuring.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065124 - 11/02/03 01:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.
sure sounds like you are...
"making great progress"?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065173 - 11/02/03 01:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
PsiloKitten said:
Im not cheering anyone, you can put all the words in my mouth you wish.
Im simply stating the FACTS of what is occuring.
Then perhaps coming across sounding a bit less gleeful may ease the confusion.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2065211 - 11/02/03 01:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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They are fighting a guerrilla war, are they not?
I'd say the attacks they have been able to engineer in the last week are definately progress on those terms, GREAT, being alot, big, large, you are welcome to go to dictionary.com and look it up. Compared to getting mowed down by our military. They are definately greatly progressing in their tactics.
Im sure you'd like to argue with that, but the number of attacks and number of casualties wont let you get too far.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065217 - 11/02/03 01:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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PsiloKitten said:
Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.
Bring em on, eh?
If this gets me banned, so be it. If you support the Iraqi's, you are a stupid fucking bitch. No other polite/intellectual way to say this. You are so blinded inyour hatred of bush that you cheer american boys dying over there.Enjoy having me as an enemy.
Edited to delete my plans to have Psilo suffer for her comments 
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In response to an attack killing 15 American Servicemen
PsiloKitten said:
Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.
Edited by lysergic (11/02/03 01:50 PM)
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2065218 - 11/02/03 01:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perhaps if you werent all biased, "pro americans" at all cost, "everyone who is liberal likes seeing our soldiers killed".. you'd read my words, not your opinions.
Gleeful my ass.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: lysergic]
#2065231 - 11/02/03 01:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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lysergic said:
If this gets me banned, so be it. If you support the Iraqi's, you are a stupid fucking bitch. No other polite/intellectual way to say this. You are so blinded inyour hatred of bush that you cheer american boys dying over there.Enjoy having me as an enemy.
Edited to delete my plans to have Psilo suffer for her comments
Here is his original post:
"If this gets me banned, so be it. If you support the Iraqi's, you are a stupid fucking bitch. No other polite/intellectual way to say this. You are so blinded inyour hatred of bush that you cheer american boys dying over there. My new goal in life is to find out every drop of personal information about you that I can, and post it in as many chat rooms / bulletin boards as I can. Enjoy having me as an enemy. "
Threatening someone's personal information on a drug related board such as the shroomery is serious narc like pussy behavior. Good luck in your efforts though, Ive always been extremely careful about my involvement in this place and used proxies, a fake, yet consistant "real" name. I wouldnt hold my breath until you uncover any shred of personal information about me. Im not idiotic, unlike the threats you made.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065235 - 11/02/03 01:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You said "Great progress" in relation to Americans being killed by the Iraqi's. The IRaqi's are the people you said are making "great progress". what, praytell, the fuck could you have meant other than you support killing US servicemen?
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PsiloKitten said:
Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: lysergic]
#2065242 - 11/02/03 01:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilo - We'll see :-)
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In response to an attack killing 15 American Servicemen
PsiloKitten said:
Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: lysergic]
#2065253 - 11/02/03 02:02 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you read? Great, big, alot ie a great deal... alot of... etc.
Heh, you are so comical.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065278 - 11/02/03 02:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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it sure sounded like you were happy about the 'progress' of the iraqi resistance... if you aren't i suppose i'm glad we got that misconception cleared up.
I'd say the attacks they have been able to engineer in the last week are definately progress on those terms, GREAT, being alot, big, large, you are welcome to go to dictionary.com and look it up. Compared to getting mowed down by our military. They are definately greatly progressing in their tactics.
their tactics are pretty much the same as they have been for a while. they aren't evolving, or becoming more organized or better equipped... they've been shooting RPG's at shit since the very beginning. having a guy with good aim take out a helicopter is no sign of any progress on the part of the resistance. it represents a well-placed RPG round, nothing else.
where did you find details on the particular tactics used by iraqi resistance fighters that lead you to believe they are becoming more organized, or better equipped, or trained, or just "making progress" in general?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2065298 - 11/02/03 02:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Even if they are not spectacular tactics, they are good enough to cause a consistent ammount of casualties. If America is going to solve this problem by trying to kill every resistance fighter, they are not going to get far because there are many more who will take their place.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: lysergic]
#2065314 - 11/02/03 02:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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My new goal in life is to find out every drop of personal information about you that I can, and post it in as many chat rooms / bulletin boards as I can. Enjoy having me as an enemy.
I think you've reached a new low, I'll have to take down my picture of JohnnyRespect from above my computer and replace it with yours.
By the way, perhaps you might want to criticise your own Special Forces troops too if you're feeling so vitriolic about these kind of things (from an interview with Robert Fisk):
But as I was waiting hour after hour for the planes to take off, mortars started landing at the airport. Five in all. And I was actually chatting to a group of special forces, Americans, with their black webbing with lots and lots of radios and telephones and weapons. And they were actually-- as special forces tend to-being quite appreciative of their enemy. They were saying: Not bad. They're getting better. They're getting better. In other words, they were aiming their mortars to land closer to the actual runway of the airport.
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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.
And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.
"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Edame]
#2065391 - 11/02/03 03:02 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Being appreciative of an enemies ability, and applauding their actions that kill Americans ,are two very different things.
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PsiloKitten said:
Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: lysergic]
#2065420 - 11/02/03 03:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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he's not saying they aren't.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2065428 - 11/02/03 03:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is it really all that surprising that Americans are going to die while they are occupying a country?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2065441 - 11/02/03 03:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I said the WERENT organized.. reread things before you blatently lie about what words you attribute to me.
I said: "And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized."
Im not going to waste alot of time on this since the articles to answer all of the questions you posed that I had said are out there, Im not wasting my time. Ive done my research.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/7159770.htm
The intelligence officials, who all spoke on the condition of anonymity because intelligence assessments are classified, said they have no evidence that the attacks are centrally directed. They said many of the attacks appear to be carried out independently by small groups using improvised explosive devices, rocket-propelled grenades and small arms.
But they said the groups have begun to lend what one official called "some significant support" to one another:
_ Local Iraqis, the officials said, are providing near real-time intelligence by watching U.S. troop movements, roads and defenses, as an August 18 U.S. Army War College study reported the Iraqis did as American forces drove toward Baghdad in March and April.
"Scouts in civilian clothes reconnoitered U.S. positions continuously; reported via cell/satellite phones, landlines, couriers," the War College study said. The study also reported that U.S. Marines in the southern city of Nasiriyah captured a "detailed, accurate sandtable of U.S. positions."
Intelligence officials also worry that hostile Iraqis may have penetrated some coalition civilian and military operations, housing compounds and other areas, much as members of the Viet Cong simultaneously worked for and spied on the United States, the South Vietnamese government and some news organizations during the Vietnam War.
"You never know who you might have working for you, and some of these people, I'm not sure they are who they say they are," said one senior coalition military official in Baghdad.
Holdouts from Saddam's military, irregular forces, intelligence service and secret police provide vehicles, munitions, military expertise, especially in making and detonating explosives, and what one official called "some higher level understanding of our equipment and tactics based on the `91 (Persian Gulf) war and the technical help they got over the years from the Soviet Union."
Members of the militant Kurdish Islamic group Ansar al Islam who survived U.S. and Kurdish attacks on their sanctuary in northern Iraq earlier this year, the officials said, provide a network of safe houses in the Baghdad area. Saddam's government tolerated the terrorist group's presence because Ansar's main enemy was Saddam's Kurdish opponents in northern Iraq, who are cooperating with the United States.
"Maybe some people (in the administration) overstated the ties between Saddam and Ansar, and between Ansar and al-Qaida," said one official. "But everybody knew everybody else, and that may have made it easier for them to find one another and cooperate now."
Fresh Islamic recruits from Syria, Jordan, Pakistan, Yemen, Egypt, Algeria and even Albania, one official said, provide "a willingness to carry out suicide missions" as well as "some limited training with rudimentary weapons and tactics. A lot of what we seem to be seeing aren't hardcore mujahedeen from the Afghan war (against Soviet occupation) or senior al-Qaida, but new recruits who want their turn."
"Each of these groups by itself would be less of a problem," said another official. "But by cooperating, they've been able to watch us more closely and adapt faster to what we're doing. As a result, this is going to take some time, even if we avoid making the kind of mistakes that (anger) more people and drive them into the enemy camp."
Want some more? Okay.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1076100,00.html -A good article in it's entirety, but here is a snippet.
"'These groups are separate, but work together more and more as the various leaders are contacting each other. Most people are not doing it because of Saddam, but for religious or nationalist reasons. Some are criminals, who under other circumstances few people would have anything to do with. Some are paid, but not many.'
He suggested that last Sunday's rocket attack on the Al Rashid Hotel showed a level of sophistication that was new for the resistance. An underground cell working with staff at the hotel, which was once virtually run by the Iraqi secret service, watched the arrival of guests while street cleaners worked with an underground cell to position the rocket launcher. "
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2065445 - 11/02/03 03:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, but Im cheering.
Okey dokey.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065530 - 11/02/03 03:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Perhaps if you werent all biased, "pro americans" at all cost, "everyone who is liberal likes seeing our soldiers killed".. you'd read my words, not your opinions.
Once again your anger gets in the way of a rational response.
I can acknowledge when my country does wrong and have done so here several times. You on the other hand come across as a shrew who can find nothing America does right.
That, whether you realize it or not, is how you come across.
And yes, gleeful was the correct word.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2065546 - 11/02/03 04:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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The majority of people here don't have any problems with America itself, rather the Bush Administration.
Of course, ya gotta stand by him luvdem - thick or thin, 'coz he was the 'best of choices'.  
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2065557 - 11/02/03 04:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow, you love to use statements and spin them dontcha?
You should go volunteer to be on Bush's press team.
Like Ive said before I could give a fuck about what biased war mongers think I am. I know what I am. I know how much time Ive spent trying to get these men and women out of harms way, I know how many care packages Ive sent to soldiers, sailors and marines.
Sit here on an internet forum, doing nothing for your country and keep on claiming I hate it.
I love America and we are going to take it back from people like you.
How the hell did you get off of my ignore, anyway. I should fix that.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Zahid]
#2065572 - 11/02/03 04:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've criticized him here frequently. You must have been sleeping.
Frankly I'm surprised you would mistake correcting incorrect information as support for a non-conservative conservative.
Edit: Yup. That's why I voted for him. To do what's best for this country. If you wish to keep using that as an insult.... feel free.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065585 - 11/02/03 04:19 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I love America and we are going to take it back from people like you.
If this happens im going back to canada. My father had to live in horrible conditions after WWII in east Germany and i dont need to go through something like that.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065589 - 11/02/03 04:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow, you love to use statements and spin them dontcha?
I spun nothing, merely stated how you come across to me.
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You should go volunteer to be on Bush's press team.
Not a chance. As I've said before many times I voted for him simply because he was the best of bad choices and as such likely to do less harm than Gore. I stand by that.
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Like Ive said before I could give a fuck about what biased war mongers think I am.
Then simply stop responding because it sure seems like you care.
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I know what I am.
I don't which is why I said it's how you come across.
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I know how much time Ive spent trying to get these men and women out of harms way, I know how many care packages Ive sent to soldiers, sailors and marines.
That's decent of you.
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Sit here on an internet forum, doing nothing for your country and keep on claiming I hate it.
Well you could stop coming across that way.
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I love America and we are going to take it back from people like you.
I don't think so. I think people are waking up and realizing that liberal bullshit is what has us fucked up. I don't think you'll see a Democrat president or majority in congress or the senate for a long time.
In the mean time, chill out. Or at least make it sound as if you have.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: d33p]
#2065591 - 11/02/03 04:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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FANTASTIC! Maybe you could take a bunch of the other war mongers with you.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2065602 - 11/02/03 04:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good for you - you criticised Bush; I haven't heard much from you why he's the better of choices (I don't doubt that you have attempted to make a point of this either in the past), but frankly the 'better of choices' sounds as played out as "We were on a Break", as Ross would say. 
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Zahid]
#2065624 - 11/02/03 04:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't care how it sounds to you.
Given a choice beteween two candidates (and realistically, two is all there were), I was forced to vote for the one I felt would do the least harm. I thought long and hard about it.
Frankly for you to attempt to use it as an insult is childish.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2065634 - 11/02/03 04:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought long and hard about it.
Evidently not.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Zahid]
#2065645 - 11/02/03 04:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wrong again. Is that the best you can come up with?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2065654 - 11/02/03 04:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wrong again.
If you want to act like a 10 year-old, go right ahead. I'm surprised you even replied to that.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Zahid]
#2065657 - 11/02/03 04:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, I've got time.
Insult away.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Zahid]
#2065664 - 11/02/03 04:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good for you - you criticised Bush
Actually criticised is a variant.
One entry found for criticize.
Main Entry: crit?i?cize
Pronunciation: 'kri-t&-"sIz
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -cized; -ciz?ing
Date: 1649
intransitive senses : to act as a critic
transitive senses
1 : to consider the merits and demerits of and judge accordingly : EVALUATE
2 : to find fault with : point out the faults of
- crit?i?ciz?able /-"sI-z&-b&l/ adjective
- crit?i?ciz?er noun
One entry found for criticise.
Main Entry: crit?i?cise
British variant ofCRITICIZE
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Zahid]
#2065666 - 11/02/03 04:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Keep em' coming.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2065675 - 11/02/03 05:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Weeeee this is fun!! Can I join in?!?!
Piss, bitch, cock, poop!
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: SquattingMarmot]
#2065680 - 11/02/03 05:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure. The more the merrier!
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065755 - 11/02/03 05:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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you say:
I said the WERENT organized.. reread things before you blatently lie about what words you attribute to me.
... and you then go on to make a post detailing how they're becoming more organized in their efforts. as little sense as that makes, let us continue.
in response to your statement: chill. here's what i said:
where did you find details on the particular tactics used by iraqi resistance fighters that lead you to believe they are becoming more organized, or better equipped, or trained, or just "making progress" in general?
now... see how i used the word "or"?
those are my words, not yours. see how only "making progress" is in quotations? you didn't say anything about equipment or training either... i was just asking how you think they're making progress... the words 'organized', 'equipped', and 'trained' are only suggestions. i never said that you ever said that they were becoming any of those things.... but i do have to wonder what kind of 'progress' would not the direct result of at least one of those things.
pray tell, what kind of progress are they making, and what is causing it?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065769 - 11/02/03 05:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Oh, but Im cheering.
Okey dokey."
you sure sounded like it.
alex123 said:
"Sure, the casualties may not be as high at the moment but it's clear we're in for a long guerilla war with resistance increasing all the time. "
to which you replied:
"Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized."
say whatever you want but i know how that sounds to me.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2065774 - 11/02/03 05:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I prefer the term "gleeful".
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2065776 - 11/02/03 05:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I realize I shouldn't make assumptions, but based on your posts, it's hard for me to picture you giving Al Gore any serious consideration. I mean, maybe you listened to what he had to say, as I did with Bush, but I can't see you ever actually considering voting for him. But if you say you did, I guess I'll have to take your word for it.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: silversoul7]
#2065792 - 11/02/03 05:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only two currently runnings Dems I have ZERO respect for are Braun & Sharpton.
I don't rule anyone out. In Gores case I've been paying attention to him for years. I love politics. I follow as much as possible. Had Gore not been a jackass, who knows.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2065802 - 11/02/03 05:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have to say, I understand why someone would've voted for Bush in that election, because as a candidate he seemed a lot different than what he's turned out to be. When I voted for Gore, I figured it wouldn't matter too much if Bush won, cuz they both seemed pretty moderate. In retrospect, however, I'm really glad I voted the way I did, because I couldn't live with myself knowing that I put the current asshole into power.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: silversoul7]
#2065806 - 11/02/03 05:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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In retrospect, however, I'm really glad I voted the way I did, because I couldn't live with myself knowing that I put the current asshole into power.
In retrospect, however, I'm really glad I voted the way I did, because I couldn't live with myself knowing that I had helped put Gore into power.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2065909 - 11/02/03 06:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, as for military deaths during vietnam:
1956-1960 9
1961 16
1962 52
1963 118
1964 206
Total 401
1964 is when the Gulf of Tonkin resolution was signed and troops began to be deployed. But we wont even count any of the above.
In 1965,
1,863 men and women died, averaging out to 5.10 per day, 200K were deployed that year.
So at 433 (that statistic you used about vietnam deaths includes non- americans) deaths in 227 days that averages to 1.01a day
vietnam had 2.67 more deaths, which isnt surprising considering the fact that technology was not as advanced as it is today and we were fighting a different kind of war.
This war isnt shaping up to be that much different, technology should be affording us this very small leg up, after all, we spent billions of dollars shocking and awe-ing.
Govt Vietnam stats http://lunaville.org/warcasualties/Summary.aspx
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2065946 - 11/02/03 06:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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They are becoming more organized. THEY ARE NOT CURRENTLY ORGANIZED. How hard is this to understand?
There were many other points in that post that answer the question you asked about training, being better equipped and becoming organized. Read it. I even bolded some of it for you, just incase you had reading comprehension problems. See, how I gave you answers to everything you said? See how you said "lead you to believe" as if you think you know what I believe even though I said none of the things you inferred?
Im not excited, dont give yerself too much credit. Im more dumbfounded by people like yourself. I use caps to be as monosyllabic and to the point as possible. I bold things to make sure you dont miss them, but that obviously didnt work. I dont make nice, I say my opinons, bluntly, Im not sugarcoating them for anyone or worrying about what context someone like you would take them in.
Thanks for the midol. Here's a gift for you, all ready and waiting. Go volunteer to serve and kill you some iraqis.
Or...Have a bang up time with it. That would make me really gleeful.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2065963 - 11/02/03 06:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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what words did i put in your mouth?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2066009 - 11/02/03 07:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow, I dont know how more blunt I can get and how many more ways I can say it.
That damn ignore list is just a growing and growing. Welcome aboard.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2066074 - 11/02/03 07:44 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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it was a very simple request. since psilokitten has decided to ignore me, can someone else help me out?
what words do you think she's thinking i put in her mouth?
i sure can't find them....
seriously, i'd really like to know.
i suppose that because she's done nothing to qualify her accusations and her response to my question prompted her to place her hands over her ears.... "LALALALALALA"... we'll never know for sure...
ignoring people you disagree with is certainly a good way to assert your closed-mindedness while at the same time saving your ego from the trouble of having to actually question your beliefs...
i do hope psilokitten's visits here will be easier on her now.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2066814 - 11/03/03 12:33 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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lets get back to the main issue here which is the fact that iraqi guerilla forces are becoming more and more successful with their tactics as each day passes, and the fact that the fighting keeps intensifying, american troops are dying, and there is no visible end to the occupation on the horizon. All the bitching and name calling isn't going to change the fact that 13 americans died in that chopper fighting for a cause that wasn't even legitimate in the first place.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
#2066870 - 11/03/03 12:52 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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... and you then go on to make a post detailing how they're becoming more organized in their efforts. as little sense as that makes, let us continue.
Oh come on mush, you don't think that multiple rocket attack on 4 police stations and Wolfowitz's hotel all on the same day suggests they're getting more organised?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: lysergic]
#2066881 - 11/03/03 12:57 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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and applauding their actions that kill Americans ,are two very different things
Are we through the looking glass here or what? Let me remind you that it was right-wing arseholes who took us into this war in the first place. Any blood is on THEIR hands.
Lets put this simply: The action responsible for killing americans was INVADING IRAQ. You and others like you who support the war are responsible for their deaths.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
#2067285 - 11/03/03 05:05 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are we through the looking glass here or what? Let me remind you that it was right-wing arseholes who took us into this war in the first place. Any blood is on THEIR hands.
Then the blood of those who have been killed since the end of the Gulf War is on your hands. You "left-wing bastards" indecisiveness has caused thousands of deaths and will continue to do so....
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Lets put this simply: The action responsible for killing americans was INVADING IRAQ. You and others like you who support the war are responsible for their deaths.
Wrong, im not going to speak for others here, I supported the decision to go to war I did not make it. Surely you can see the difference.
Take the first statement with a pinch of salt, I know someone won't but if you would like me to give a detailed explaination then feel free to pm, I don't fancy reading tons of posts filled with angst-driven nonsense nor do I desire to fill this thread with meaningless rants.
And btw, why was Lysergic banned?, his actions are usually in retalliation to provacation and are jst more heated versions of the usual bs on here....
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: st0nedphucker]
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Then the blood of those who have been killed since the end of the Gulf War is on your hands. You "left-wing bastards" indecisiveness has caused thousands of deaths and will continue to do so....
Give it a rest stoned. Bush was in power during the first Gulf war in case you've forgotten. He deliberately allowed Saddam to abuse the no-fly zone in order to put down rebellions. He considered a weak Saddam better than a fundamentalist government.
I supported the decision to go to war I did not make it. Surely you can see the difference.
Could you tell us what is the difference? Sounds like the old Nazi "I was only following orders. It was not my decision to kill the jews..."
And btw, why was Lysergic banned?, his actions are usually in retalliation to provacation and are jst more heated versions of the usual bs on here....
I imagine it was for the deranged and disturbing threat he made to psilo
My new goal in life is to find out every drop of personal information about you that I can, and post it in as many chat rooms / bulletin boards as I can. Enjoy having me as an enemy. "
And if that doesn't deserve a ban I don't know what does.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
#2067316 - 11/03/03 05:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh come on mush, you don't think that multiple rocket attack on 4 police stations and Wolfowitz's hotel all on the same day suggests they're getting more organised?
i think they very well may. it shows at least some level of cooperation on the part of some of the guerrillas.
what happened there was that psilokitten accused me of "blatantly lying" about what she said... my best guess is that it was because she thought i implied that she said the iraqis were becoming more organized, something she claims she did not agree with. then in same post, she goes on asserting that very same thing, completely contradicting herself.
so:
1. i didn't put any words in her mouth, or say she said anything she didn't.
2. the thing she's saying i "blatantly lied" about her saying is something she appears to agree with anyway.
very strange.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: ]
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Give it a rest stoned. Bush was in power during the first Gulf war in case you've forgotten. He deliberately allowed Saddam to abuse the no-fly zone in order to put down rebellions. He considered a weak Saddam better than a fundamentalist government.
8 Years of Clinton & Gore and UN pandering. Need I say more.
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Could you tell us what is the difference? Sounds like the old Nazi "I was only following orders. It was not my decision to kill the jews..."
I'm not going to explain the difference between supporting and making a decision ( try looking up "decide" and "support", just to give a little help).
I'm sure your trusty Oxford English Dictionary will help clarify for you. As for your constant references to Nazi Germany, the above I do not even consider an analogy as they bear no similarity whatsoever.
If it wasn't for the hesitancy of the allied powers during the early 30's and their reluctance to enforce the Treaty of Versailles then Germany would not have been able to re-arm, thus WWII would have been prevented.
So you see it is irresolution that is the main evil in this world...
Isn't it fun taking things and completely out of context and not even making a point?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: st0nedphucker]
#2067926 - 11/03/03 12:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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8 Years of Clinton & Gore and UN pandering. Need I say more.
12 years of sanctions and a million dead is "pandering"? Yes, you need to say an awful lot more.
And if you want pandering look at what Reagan and Bush did for Saddam during the 80's.
I'm not going to explain the difference between supporting and making a decision
Are you for the invasion of Iraq or not? Why sit on the fence?
Isn't it fun taking things and completely out of context and not even making a point?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Sorted]
#2068075 - 11/03/03 01:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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"The Americans are pigs. We will hold a celebration because this helicopter went down -- a big celebration,"
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Azmodeus]
#2068289 - 11/03/03 03:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh wow, prepared to get flamed and then someone can come infer you were saying like 5 other things then what you said like... What leads you to believe that Iraqis are satan? What leads you to believe that they will be dancing a jig opposed to the tango? What leads you to believe they will not have the heads of iraqi babies at their party so they can suck the brains out of them? What leads you to believe that that was the purpose of their party? What if it's a Happy Ramadan party?
And so on and so forth. And you will say.. I wasnt "lead to believe" any of the shit you just said, you inferred it. And then, they wont read your words.. so, you'll have to send them a link to dictionary.com which they wont understand.
You will said, I said THIS SPECIFIC THING... and you will reference it over and over in big bold letters. But alas, their bias will still allow then to see nothing but what they wish.
It's a blast.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Sorted]
#2068327 - 11/03/03 03:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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What happened to the flowers thrown at their feet and the little girls running to give the soldiers kisses?
Iraqi Villagers Celebrate U.S. Helicopter Hit
Mon Nov 3, 8:50 AM ET
By Michael Georgy
BAISA, Iraq (Reuters) - Iraqis in the village of Baisa say they couldn't have asked for a better present during Ramadan -- a U.S. helicopter shot down in their fields.
"We usually celebrate Ramadan at the end of the month. Now we are celebrating in the beginning after these infidel Americans were shot down," taxi driver Abdullah Hissein said.
As more U.S. helicopters patrolled over this typical Iraqi farming village on Monday, he said: "Now we want to take them down as well."
Fifteen American soldiers were killed on Sunday when a missile struck their Chinook helicopter -- the bloodiest single strike on U.S. troops since the fall of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in April.
Anger has been boiling up in Baisa, located in Iraq (news - web sites)'s Sunni Muslim heartland from where Saddam drew much of his support, in the weeks leading up to the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan.
Iraqis said U.S. troops, who often come under attack from roadside bombs or rocket-propelled grenades in the nearby town of Falluja, had swept through the village hunting guerrillas.
People who failed to provide information on fighters were arrested after U.S. troops conducted aggressive searches, several villagers said.
"I know of several people who were arrested, including the local cleric and his family," farmer Kareem Mansour said.
"They put sacks over people's heads and took them away."
HOSTILE CHILDREN
U.S. officials have repeatedly blamed fighters loyal to Saddam and Muslim militants who cross the border from neighboring countries for attacks that have killed at least 136 American troops since President Bush (news - web sites) declared major combat over on May 1.
A few Baisa residents said they knew of a Syrian man who trained guerrillas. Others said Saddam's supporters were behind the violence.
They said U.S. troops made even more enemies on Sunday night.
"They just shoot at anything. They heard a noise and then they shot at one of our cows. When we stood on the roof and shone a light, they shot the lamp," said Hussein Issawi, a customs official.
Residents said U.S. troops tried to win over children with candy. But it didn't work.
"The children took the sweets and fooled the Americans," said Maher Abbas, a farmer.
Mansour said: "We hate the Americans. Even our young children pick up rocks and throw them when they see helicopters."
Barefoot Iraqi boys standing by as about 40 U.S. Humvees and trucks drove by to secure the perimeter around the crash site said they wanted to attack American soldiers.
"We don't want the Americans," said 11-year-old Abdullah Wahab. "I want to hit their planes."
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: PsiloKitten]
#2068383 - 11/03/03 05:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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What happened to the flowers thrown at their feet and the little girls running to give the soldiers kisses?
The majority still wants the troops there. Children learn from their parents so an 11 year old stating they want the troops gone means shit.
Add in the dog bites man vs man bites dog factor and your article needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2068459 - 11/03/03 05:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Reuters article.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2069273 - 11/04/03 12:32 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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The majority still wants the troops there.
Nah luv, you can't run guerilla wars on this scale without large scale support or at least tolerance of the guerillas by the civilian population. Most Iraqi's don't have any illusions about Bush bringing them "freedom" and are sensibly preparing for the day the americans leave.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
#2069489 - 11/04/03 03:35 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I disagree. Both about the "scale", which I think is nowhere near as bad as some here wish to believe, and whether or not "large scale support or at least tolerance of the guerillas by the civilian population" is needed.
As for the latter, only time will tell.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2069544 - 11/04/03 05:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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4 rocket attacks on a police station and another on Wolfowitz hotel in the capital city on the same day? Even the IRA never managed anything on that massive a scale.
Really luv, if you were an Iraqi would you really go running to the americans to inform on people? What do you think is going to happen to you when Bush decides he's had enough?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: st0nedphucker]
#2069559 - 11/04/03 05:27 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Then the blood of those who have been killed since the end of the Gulf War is on your hands. You "left-wing bastards" indecisiveness has caused thousands of deaths and will continue to do so....
You probabaly should have thought that one through before you typed that. Remind me, who was it who decided not to depose Saddam in Gulf War 1?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: st0nedphucker]
#2069562 - 11/04/03 05:29 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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8 Years of Clinton & Gore and UN pandering. Need I say more.
You really need to move past the idea that it makes any significant difference whehter the so called left or the so called right are in power. It just a trick to make people think they live in a democracy and not a puppetshow dictatorship.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: GazzBut]
#2069655 - 11/04/03 07:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You probabaly should have thought that one through before you typed that. Remind me, who was it who decided not to depose Saddam in Gulf War 1?
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Then the blood of those who have been killed since the end of the Gulf War is on your hands. You "left-wing bastards" indecisiveness has caused thousands of deaths and will continue to do so....
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8 Years of Clinton & Gore and UN pandering. Need I say more.
I made no reference to their political alignment.
I hate having to make such pointless posts....
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: st0nedphucker]
#2069714 - 11/04/03 08:04 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Umm what exactly was left wing bastards refering too? Wake up Stoned.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: GazzBut]
#2072368 - 11/05/03 04:56 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are we through the looking glass here or what? Let me remind you that it was right-wing arseholes who took us into this war in the first place. Any blood is on THEIR hands.
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Take the first statement with a pinch of salt, I know someone won't but if you would like me to give a detailed explaination then feel free to pm, I don't fancy reading tons of posts filled with angst-driven nonsense nor do I desire to fill this thread with meaningless rants.
Again I have to re-iterate for the slow or those who choose to be slow...
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: st0nedphucker]
#2072410 - 11/05/03 05:41 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You arent making any sense.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: st0nedphucker]
#2072591 - 11/05/03 08:13 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wish you'd speed up stoned. We're still waiting to find out who these "left-wing bastards" are bearing in mind Bush was in charge at the time.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
#2073676 - 11/05/03 02:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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4 rocket attacks on a police station and another on Wolfowitz hotel in the capital city on the same day? Even the IRA never managed anything on that massive a scale.
Had the IRA wished to launch morters or rockets a several locations in one day I have little doubt they could have.
Or do you think the Irish are too stupid?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Was that a weak attempt at humour or just some more petty Alex sniping?
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: GazzBut]
#2074114 - 11/05/03 05:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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It was neither.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2075617 - 11/05/03 11:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Had the IRA wished to launch morters or rockets a several locations in one day I have little doubt they could have.
Sounds like you know as much about the IRA as you do about a wide array of topics.
If they had been able to launch 4 rockets in London they would have. They could only manage one rocket attack on one day on Downing street.
Or do you think the Irish are too stupid?
It's nothing to do with being stupid. It's to do with the logistics of launching multiple rocket attacks on the same day in a capital city.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
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If they had been able to launch 4 rockets in London they would have. They could only manage one rocket attack on one day on Downing street.
Manage? Bull. Desire? There you go.
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It's to do with the logistics of launching multiple rocket attacks on the same day in a capital city.
Right. There is nothing that difficult about it. Send off four groups with a small portable launcher and set them off. I imagine even you could organize a half dozen. I know I could.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2076182 - 11/06/03 05:12 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its not just a question of simple logistics. Its also a question of evading detection by the security services. If you increase the amount of attacks four fold you increase the likelihood of getting caught by at least that amount, probabaly more.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#2076628 - 11/06/03 09:56 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Manage? Bull.
Where are you getting your info from luv? Are you just making it up as you go along as usual? Why do you think they wouldn't launch 4 rocket attacks on London?
Right. There is nothing that difficult about it.
Don't ever think about starting a terrorist group luv, you wouldn't last 2 minutes.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: Xlea321]
#2077461 - 11/06/03 03:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why do you think they wouldn't launch 4 rocket attacks on London?
You'd have to ask them. They had the means and the ability.
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Re: Iraq guerrillas down US chopper, at least 13 dead [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Evidence?
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