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First bulk grow, Pics and Questions.
    #20631359 - 09/28/14 03:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Here's my tubs day 4 after first pins. Getting fruit but it seems like they are pretty dwarfed in size. I wonder what could be causing this? Possibly the fact that I cased in vermiculite instead of a nutritive casing? Also, can anyone tell me if the big shroom in the second picture is ready for harvest. It seems like the veil has broken, but I'm not entirely sure. Anyways, to the pin porn!






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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #20631383 - 09/28/14 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Probably need more FAE in there, that would be my guess. Are there any holes in your tub?

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: hummingbird]
    #20631411 - 09/28/14 03:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

not dwarfs...just pins still


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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #20631447 - 09/28/14 04:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No holes in the tub, its a 20 qt dub tub, so ive been fanning it manually for FAE.

Cronicr: You say their still pins? Why does it seem that some of the bigger ones veils are breaking already? Should I not worry about that and continue to let them grow?

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #20631464 - 09/28/14 04:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

low rh or too dry in there in general, could also be too wet but i find those always look different


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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #20631480 - 09/28/14 04:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You should pick the ones that open, and leave the rest to mature.

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #20631509 - 09/28/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Definitely too dry.  Mist more, fan less.

Ideally, you should have FAE holes like a mono, you wouldn't need to fan at all.


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: hummingbird]
    #20631519 - 09/28/14 04:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Rh has been steady 95%-100% the entire time. The vermiculite casing they are growing out of is also damp to the touch, not soaked but damp.

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #20631522 - 09/28/14 04:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How do you know the RH is that high?  Are you using a digital hydrometer?  You might want to calibrate it first by running it over with a car.

It IS dry, I can tell just by the photos.


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: TheChief]
    #20631555 - 09/28/14 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid: ya really need some constant/passive fae, even just a slight offset on the lid till this flush is done


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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #20631573 - 09/28/14 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I also would not be putting a lighter on my casing, but....

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #20631575 - 09/28/14 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Rodger that, I will give the lid a slight rotation and see what happens

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: hummingbird]
    #20631596 - 09/28/14 04:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I also would not be putting a lighter on my casing, but....



Why not?  He is using it for size reference...

If you are implying it will contaminate his grow, I'll just let you know, fully colonized substrates are very contam resistant and a lighter won't cause any problems.


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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #20631605 - 09/28/14 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And those photos were taken directly after a fanning session, it is usually much more humid inside the tubs than those pictures make it appear. Also, I cleaned the lighter with alcohol before putting in into the box for size comparison.

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #20631612 - 09/28/14 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:





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And those photos were taken directly after a fanning session, it is usually much more humid inside the tubs than those pictures make it appear. Also, I cleaned the lighter with alcohol before putting in into the box for size comparison.



humidity isn't something you see


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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #20631658 - 09/28/14 04:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I understand that you can't see humidity. But you can see the condensation made from humid air on the inside of your tubs. To me the amount of condensation visibile is an indicator that my rh is high. I'm not trying to argue here, obviously from your pictures you have had a lot of successful grows. I'm just not entirely convinced that lack of RH is the problem here. And i'm worried that I will over saturate my casings and only add to the problem.

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    #20631692 - 09/28/14 04:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You are right, a healthy tub is pretty resistant to contams...I just personally wouldn't put a lighter on my casing, I'm not saying you can't.

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #20631700 - 09/28/14 04:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I understand that you can't see humidity. But you can see the condensation made from humid air on the inside of your tubs. To me the amount of condensation visibile is an indicator that my rh is high.



no worries dude i was just referencing the lighter thing lol, but you got that wrong the condensation doesn't mean you have a high rh it means there is a temp difference, i take a pop can out of my fridge it  doess the same thing but my rh in this house is far below 20.
over saturation could very well have done it too it's just hard for me to tell due to your course verm casing(use fine grade next time:wink:) but either way more fae is gonna be your key here, the more air that passes over the sub the better everything is


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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #20631703 - 09/28/14 04:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

before i forget, great job over all though dude


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    #20631707 - 09/28/14 04:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You are right, a healthy tub is pretty resistant to contams...I just personally wouldn't put a lighter on my casing, I'm not saying you can't.



Then why say it?  :shrug:  :lol:


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    #20631713 - 09/28/14 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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before i forget, great job over all though dude



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    #20631717 - 09/28/14 04:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good job OP!  Nice pinset by the way.


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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: cronicr]
    #20632038 - 09/28/14 06:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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before i forget, great job over all though dude




Thanks a lot man. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but at least I got some fruits :laugh: Hopefully cracking the lid will help with the FAE. Even if it dosn't, there's always next time! We live and learn!

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Re: First bulk grow, Pics and Questions. [Re: ShroominShaman]
    #20632104 - 09/28/14 06:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it looks to me like you have a very thin/shallow sub depth, and therefore not enough water available for the shrooms to grow.
too much water in the sub usually gives even smaller weird looking shrooms that pop their veil much earlier..

edit; toO many spelling errors..

Edited by spacechildo (09/28/14 06:29 PM)

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