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Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes
    #20630017 - 09/28/14 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hey all, the bottom of all my jars (18) have apparently stalled growth. It's been 35 days now.

The top half or a little more of the jars is a nice solid, fully colonized white. But at the bottom of each jar to some extent, there is a bit that's not solidly colonized. You can see a good amount of white but with plenty of speckles of the substrate. See the pic.



I searched the forums and it looks like it could be too much moisture, too dense, too much CO2, or likely some combination. Moisture seems probable because you can definitely see some water pushed up against the glass in places.

To get growth going again, some suggested flipping the jars, some said don't do that.

What's the consensus on this today? Would it be too risky to birth them as is?


For more info, I used the "Let's Grow Shrooms" videos for my ratios for the first time with this batch. In the past I used erowid and never had an issue like this. I remember the ratios are different but I don't remember by how much. What ratios do you guys use?

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: 742782]
    #20630084 - 09/28/14 10:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Those look 100% to me.  Sometimes jars can look like a part is not colonized but really its just the BRF squished against the glass. The myc may not be able to get into that part.

Birth, dunk, roll and fruit those.  35 days is quite a while for BRF.


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: TheChief]
    #20630183 - 09/28/14 10:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

looks bacterial to me :shrug:

take a better pic of an upright standing jar(s)

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: spacechildo]
    #20630197 - 09/28/14 11:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I was thinking that as well, couldn't really tell with the picture provided.  :shrug:

Make sure you give them the smell test.

Healthy jars can look bacterial if left to colonized and consolidate for too long as well.


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: TheChief]
    #20630219 - 09/28/14 11:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

not like that, check out the top half of the jar to the right.
its not only thebottoms that doesnt look right here..

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: spacechildo]
    #20630227 - 09/28/14 11:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I can't tell from the picture.  :shrug:

I'm going to agree with you that they defiantly look a little off though.


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: spacechildo]
    #20630248 - 09/28/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Remove the foil from the lids. The tall half pint jars can sometimes stall out at the bottom. Take off that foil for better GE.


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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: spacechildo]
    #20630276 - 09/28/14 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

foil has nothing to do with GE just FYI, its for not keeping the filter moist and useless.

and as has been said you should smell those jars before you decide whether to fruit them or do the trash tek!

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: spacechildo]
    #20630512 - 09/28/14 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Here's another pic. It's tough to do the color justice with these pics.



Soon I'll pop em open and see how they smell. I don't think it's contam, it really does just look like the substrate. But we'll see.


Edit- that pic looks even worse than it did on my phone. I'll just have to see how they smell. Will return in a few hours.

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: 742782]
    #20630538 - 09/28/14 12:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That picture definitely looks bacterial to me.


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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: TheChief]
    #20630585 - 09/28/14 12:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

that's some pretty thick mycelium... those spots look iffy but no way would I toss em theyre fully colonized you could very well get a good few flushes off those. if there is a small amount of bacteria let the sun shine directly into the sgfc for 10 or 20 minutes a day it should help, but like it is, I doubt ya have a bad case of bacteria for it to fully colonize.. use the short wide mouth half pints next time, they'll be colonized much faster than those, they have a tendency to stall for the last 10 or so % at the bottom

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: supernewfie]
    #20630637 - 09/28/14 12:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Alright I opened one up and there was some cobweb growth thru the top verm layer and even on the underside of the lid. I've never heard good things about that. However a good sniff and it smelled completely, totally like mushies. I'll definitely let these fruit but what do you guys make of this?

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: 742782]
    #20630652 - 09/28/14 12:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Alright I opened one up and there was some cobweb growth thru the top verm layer and even on the underside of the lid. I've never heard good things about that. However a good sniff and it smelled completely, totally like mushies. I'll definitely let these fruit but what do you guys make of this?




please keep updating this thread, i want to see what your results are

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: 742782]
    #20630701 - 09/28/14 01:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Alright I opened one up and there was some cobweb growth thru the top verm layer and even on the underside of the lid. I've never heard good things about that. However a good sniff and it smelled completely, totally like mushies. I'll definitely let these fruit but what do you guys make of this?




please keep updating this thread, i want to see what your results are



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Here's another pic. It's tough to do the color justice with these pics.



Soon I'll pop em open and see how they smell. I don't think it's contam, it really does just look like the substrate. But we'll see.


Edit- that pic looks even worse than it did on my phone. I'll just have to see how they smell. Will return in a few hours.



thats mold, next time remove the foil and try the right jars they colonize faster/better


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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: cronicr]
    #20630714 - 09/28/14 01:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, OP.  Looks like it is game over.

Reset and start over.


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: TheChief]
    #20631325 - 09/28/14 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Here's a picture of the cobweb growth. I birthed that cake and it felt really, really soft. Like velvety soft. A very unique texture. And there were some areas the white would depress a little.



The one thing is, shouldn't white mold like that start to turn gray? Because I noticed that kind of growth into the verm layer at least a week ago, but thought nothing of it. So if it's still white...?

Oh and the thing I originally asked about, the speckled bits- definitely not contam. It's just the substrate. The bottom was quite dense.

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: 742782]
    #20631791 - 09/28/14 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

op pics = def contamed!

and that's not cobweb..

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Re: Stalled partial growth on bottom of BRF cakes [Re: spacechildo]
    #20631794 - 09/28/14 05:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:


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