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OfflineEstoshroom
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Need help with overlay!!!
    #20627874 - 09/27/14 08:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

https://files.shroomery.org/files/14-39/187172406-image.jpg][/url]Hi. I think i waited to long before introducing light.
I researched about saving overlays, but just in case asking if this situation isnt hopeless( pictures below)? What best procedures to follow. Thanks in advance :smile:

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Re: Need help with overlay!!! [Re: Estoshroom]
    #20627876 - 09/27/14 08:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Whats in the big tub? Sorry, my add is kicking in.


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Re: Need help with overlay!!! [Re: djmako7]
    #20627886 - 09/27/14 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's not overlay. Who took a bite out of your substrate?


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Re: Need help with overlay!!! [Re: MudaFuka]
    #20627892 - 09/27/14 08:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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  I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years.


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Re: Need help with overlay!!! [Re: Estoshroom]
    #20627893 - 09/27/14 08:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Estoshroom said:
https://files.shroomery.org/files/14-39/187172406-image.jpg][/url]Hi. I think i waited to long before introducing light.
I researched about saving overlays, but just in case asking if this situation isnt hopeless( pictures below)? What best procedures to follow. Thanks in advance :smile:







Light, Temperature, and Pinning Triggers...

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

P. Cubensis are a tropical species. You could colonize at 70F and fruit at 80F with great results.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.

Optimal temps are mid 70s throughout the whole grow, but anywhere from 65F-80F is acceptable.

Incubation is outdated/uneeded unless temps in the range stated above cannot be kept.

The inside of the jar is always a few degrees warmer than the outside because the mycellium produces heat..mycellium tends to stall at temps above 83F , and contams thrive.

Fruiting at cooler temps tends to produce denser, meatier fruits, while fruiting at higher temps will often produce hollow, less dense stems.


Mycelium should be exposed to ambient room light from day of inoculation as has been known for many years.  Light is not a pinning trigger until after full colonization and an increase in air is given, and even then it's a secondary pinning trigger.
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Mushrooms don't use light for direction of growth.  Mushrooms grown in total darkness will still grow straight up, opposite gravity.Mushrooms turn towards the light because they are using it as a source of energy.  That's why mushrooms grown with the proper amount and spectrum of light grow much larger and heavier than mushrooms grown with insufficient light.  It's also why light is just as important during the growth phase as it is during the pinning stage.
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*Overlay*

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RogerRabbit said:
Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.

A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now. :lol:

What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.

I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day.  Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay.  Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon.
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RogerRabbit said:
I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate.  It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay.
RR



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RogerRabbit said:
By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.




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RogerRabbit said:
I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years.
RR



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RogerRabbit said:
Uncased bulk substrates should be left alone and covered until 100% colonized.  Overlay is a vastly misunderstood phenomena which only affects species such as agaricus(button mushrooms) which require a casing layer.

Whatever you do don't deep scratch.  That's a failed method which was disproved 30 years ago.
RR



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Re: Need help with overlay!!! [Re: PussyFart]
    #20627940 - 09/27/14 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cheers. Nothing to worry about then.

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